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hist_text-digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 735
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: skirts with slits
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skirts with slits
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Years Supply
-áááááá MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fooferaw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:38:59 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: skirts with slits
In a message dated 2/2/01 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<< The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short
> dresses. >>
Linda,
I believe this may not be totally inaccurate. depending on which tribe and
what period the person (presumable and hopefully a lady) is trying to depict.
Women of the tribes in the (now) northeast parts of the US and on up into
Canada - tribes of the "longhouse" would wear leggings and skirts to the
calf...with a slit to the knee or mid thigh. They had access to thier bare
thigh upon which they could work fiber or animal hide whangs into cord, etc.
Pretty ingenious.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:09:15 EST
From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research
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Well - I'd start in the Williamsburg-Jamestown area. The archaeologists are
very active so something new turns up each season. And, the museum guides
etc. don't mind talking with you.
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:20:55 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skirts with slits
Unforturatly 95% of the women who do Native American are trying to portray
Western Indian Women, this does not include the Colonial Women, and not
Eastern. And even what you describe is on the rare side. Some women look like
they just got out of the Daytona Beach Biker Week. Some dog soldiers are looking
more at the "skin" that what is covering the surface.
Linda
HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/2/01 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
>
> << The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short
> > dresses. >>
>
> Linda,
>
> I believe this may not be totally inaccurate. depending on which tribe and
> what period the person (presumable and hopefully a lady) is trying to depict.
> Women of the tribes in the (now) northeast parts of the US and on up into
> Canada - tribes of the "longhouse" would wear leggings and skirts to the
> calf...with a slit to the knee or mid thigh. They had access to thier bare
> thigh upon which they could work fiber or animal hide whangs into cord, etc.
> Pretty ingenious.
> -C.Kent
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:32:54 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <EthanSudman@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Years Supply
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Yes, homesickness can happen to anyone. For example, in the American =
Civil War it was extremely prevalent, to the extent that it contributed =
to deaths from disease (weird but true).
Sincerely,
Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Wynn & Gretchen Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:01 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Years Supply
Couple more things that have not been mantioned for the list.
Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =20
I have been reading some of Jed's letters home this week end and I am =
surprised at how home sick he was.=20
Picket pins for the stock out on the plains
My list should have a better meantion of items for the squaw also like =
warm clothing etc.
After some thought I wonder if you were serious about trading if you =
really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I think we underestimate the =
craftiness of Indian traders. If you wanted a muckrat pelt or a pair =
of mocs maybe those little items would have worked but let's face it =
those Natives got the fussils that they carried by trading horses, =
beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the big trade items you had =
better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses, kettles....well now that is =
getting to far into another subject. =20
Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at some of the additions others =
have made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a shovel, etc."=20
WY
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,<BR>Ethan Sudman (<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Couple more things that have not been =
mantioned=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been reading some of Jed's =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Picket pins for the stock out on the=20
plains</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My list should have a better meantion =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After some thought I wonder if you =
were serious=20
about trading if you really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I =
think we=20
underestimate the craftiness of Indian traders. If =
you wanted=20
a muckrat pelt or a pair of mocs maybe those little items would have =
worked=20
but let's face it those Natives got the fussils that =
they carried by=20
trading horses, beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the =
big=20
trade items you had better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses,=20
kettles....well now that is getting to far into another=20
subject. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at =
some of the=20
additions others have made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a =
shovel,=20
etc."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WY</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:41:25 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your
copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson
& Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption:
"The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian'
cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None
of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the
two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either.
The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites
absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:22:36 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
Well folks, there it is. Case closed.
Thanks Angela !
Pendleton
For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your
copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson
& Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption:
"The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian'
cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None
of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the
two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either.
The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites
absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:26:39 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
Gentelmen,
Terpantine and boiled Linseed Oil mixed 50/50
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: hawknest4@juno.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 12:31 PM
>
>have tried the olive oil---doesnt seem to want to penitrate as well as
>the thinner coil oil or decil would take a bit of the other oil and dont
>have any at hand or i would try it---as long as you fill the pores of the
>wood complete it makes a more homogenious rod thus the flexibility and
>strength and toughness in my estimation either would work in that contex
>but would have to test it over time to prove its reliability in my
>estimation----
>
>just my humbel opiunion of course
>
>Hawk
>
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:53:33 -0500 (EST) JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon
>Marinetti) writes:
>> Hey Hawk,
>> This may be a wild, bizarre idea, but how about soaking one ramrod
>> in a
>> small pan of 100% extra virgin olive oil, and one ramrod in a small
>> pan
>> of jojoba oil to see if the flexibility (or other mechanical
>> properties)
>> of the hickory rod is greater than with soaking in diesel fuel for
>> one
>> month. also more period correct?
>>
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:33:42 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
Larry,
The case is never closed, just on hold for now.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 9:22 PM
>
>Well folks, there it is. Case closed.
>Thanks Angela !
>
>Pendleton
>
>For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your
>copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson
>& Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption:
>
>"The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian'
>cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None
>of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the
>two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either.
>
>The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites
>absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one.
>
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:40:58 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
Larry,
The case is never closed, just on hold for now.
YMOS
Ole # 718
Ole,
Yeah, I know. Like Buck said, some where there may be a capote with fringe,
but for now, we gotta go with what we've got.
Pendleton
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:46:21 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
Larry,
Dito.
YMOS
Ole #718
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>From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 9:40 PM
>
>Larry,
>The case is never closed, just on hold for now.
>YMOS
>Ole # 718
>
>Ole,
>Yeah, I know. Like Buck said, some where there may be a capote with fringe,
>but for now, we gotta go with what we've got.
>Pendleton
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:08:33 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
In a message dated 2/3/2001 11:47:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes:
<< BrayHaven@aol.com wrote:
>
> What, no diesel fuel... How did they get to Rendezvous?
Gasoline engines were used in the RVs made at the time :-)
Possum
>>
Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you
guys are ading to the years list :o).
Greg
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:10:30 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
Allen,
I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
you have received.
Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
The following is my list.
2 pair footwear ea
3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
1 riding saddle
3 pack saddles
6 to 8 traps
1- long arm ea
1 or 2 pistols ea
50 lbs powder for 4 men
15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
bullet molds as needed per person
1- bullet laddle
500" x1/2" rope
5 lbs soap
1 dozen gun flints
1 skining knife
1 scalping knife
4 wool blankets per person
4 yards patch material
4 lbs tobaco
Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
1- fire steel per person
2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
2-frying pans
1-felling axe
1-hand axe
500'0" linnen thread
12 sewing needles
1 doz awls
1-cup each tin or copper
3-shirts each
2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
4lbs coffee
4lbs suggar
10lbs salt
1/2 lb pepper
10 lbs floure
1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
6- lead pencils
20 hanks of beeds for trade
vermilion for trade
4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
2-wedge tents
1-hat ea
1-Bible
1-compass
toiletries as group wanted
1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
1-west ea (optional)
socks (optional)
fishing gear (optional)
reading glasses as nessecarry
smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
plews out after the season was over.
YMOS
Ole #718
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:13:23 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
Greg,
Allens original outline was for 3 to 4 months.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 8:08 PM
>
>In a message dated 2/3/2001 11:47:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes:
>
><< BrayHaven@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > What, no diesel fuel... How did they get to Rendezvous?
>
> Gasoline engines were used in the RVs made at the time :-)
>
> Possum
> >>
>
>Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you
>guys are ading to the years list :o).
>
>Greg
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:27:31 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
Greg wrote:
>
> Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you
guys are ading to the years list :o).
Oh I travel light! Just one 8Ft bed Dodge pickup truck full for me :-)
Possum
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:30:48 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
Ole B. Jensen wrote:
> Greg,
> Allens original outline was for 3 to 4 months
OH! I thought that all of that stuff was for 3 to 4 DAYS!!!!!!! <VBG>
Possum
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:42:19 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> Allen,
> I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
> you have received.
> Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
> The following is my list.
> 2 pair footwear ea
> 3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
> 1 riding saddle
> 3 pack saddles
> 6 to 8 traps
> 1- long arm ea
> 1 or 2 pistols ea
> 50 lbs powder for 4 men
> 15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
> bullet molds as needed per person
> 1- bullet laddle
> 500" x1/2" rope
> 5 lbs soap
> 1 dozen gun flints
> 1 skining knife
> 1 scalping knife
> 4 wool blankets per person
> 4 yards patch material
> 4 lbs tobaco
> Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
> 1- fire steel per person
> 2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
> 2-frying pans
> 1-felling axe
> 1-hand axe
> 500'0" linnen thread
> 12 sewing needles
> 1 doz awls
> 1-cup each tin or copper
> 3-shirts each
> 2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
> 4lbs coffee
> 4lbs suggar
> 10lbs salt
> 1/2 lb pepper
> 10 lbs floure
> 1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
> 6- lead pencils
> 20 hanks of beeds for trade
> vermilion for trade
> 4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
> 2-wedge tents
> 1-hat ea
> 1-Bible
> 1-compass
> toiletries as group wanted
> 1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
> 1-west ea (optional)
> socks (optional)
> fishing gear (optional)
> reading glasses as nessecarry
> smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
>
> There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
> plews out after the season was over.
> YMOS
> Ole #718
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Hey Ole,
Did you ever look at what the L&C group carried according to Jefferson's letter
to Lewis 1803.
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Inside the Corps has three sections: Circa 1803, To Equip an Expedition and the
Corps.
To Equip an Expedition provides a partial list of the supplies Lewis and Clark
brought on the expedition.
Once he was named by President Thomas Jefferson to head the Corps of Discovery,
Meriwether Lewis began preparations for the long trip ahead. Much of that
preparation involved education; in the months prior to his departure, Lewis
would learn astronomy, botany, navigation, medicine and biology, among other
scientific disciplines.
In addition, Lewis spent his time accumulating all the supplies that the
expedition was going to need. He wrote list after list of provisions, which
included guns, ammunition, medical supplies and scientific instruments.
While still on the East Coast, Lewis accumulated almost two tons of goods using
the $2,500 Congress had allocated for the expedition.
The following list is only a sampling of the supplies taken west by the Corps of
Discovery, but it should give a sense of what an undertaking the expedition was.
Mathematical Instruments:
surveyor's compass
hand compass
quadrants
telescope
thermometers
2 sextants
set of plotting instruments
chronometer (needed to calculate longitude)
Camp Supplies:
150 yards of cloth to be oiled and sewn into tents and sheets
pliers
chisels
30 steels for striking to make fire
handsaws
hatchets
whetstones
iron corn mill
two dozen tablespoons
mosquito curtains
10 1/2 pounds of fishing hooks and fishing lines
12 pounds of soap
193 pounds of "portable soup" (a thick paste concocted by boiling down beef,
eggs and vegetables)
three bushels of salt
writing paper, ink and crayons
Presents for Indians:
12 dozen pocket mirrors
4,600 sewing needles
144 small scissors
10 pounds of sewing thread
silk ribbons
ivory combs
handkerchiefs
yards of bright-colored cloth
130 rolls of tobacco
tomahawks that doubled as pipes
288 knives
8 brass kettles
vermilion face paint
33 pounds of tiny beads of assorted colors
Clothing:
45 flannel shirts
coats
frocks
shoes
woolen pants
blankets
knapsacks
stockings
Arms and Ammunition:
15 prototype Model 1803 muzzle-loading .54 caliber rifles
knives
500 rifle flints
420 pounds of sheet lead for bullets
176 pounds of gunpowder packed in 52 lead canisters
1 long-barreled rifle that fired its bullet with compressed
air, rather than by flint, spark and powder
Medicine and Medical Supplies:
50 dozen Dr. Rush's patented "Rush's pills"
lancets
forceps
syringes
tourniquets
1,300 doses of physic
1,100 hundred doses of emetic
3,500 doses of diaphoretic (sweat inducer) other drugs for blistering,
salivation and increased kidney output
Traveling Library:
Barton's Elements of Botany
Antoine Simon Le Page du Pratz's History of Louisiana
Richard Kirwan's Elements of Mineralogy
A Practical Introduction to Spherics and Nautical Astronomy
The Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris a four-volume dictionary a
two-volume edition of Linnaeus (the founder of the Latin classification of
plants) tables for finding longitude and latitude map of the Great Bend of the
Missouri River
Circa 1803 puts the expedition into a historical and political context,
investigating popular misconceptions of the West, as well as Jefferson's
motivations for exploring it.
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Wonder how much of this got lost or stolen ? A trapper a few years later would
have cached 2/3 of it outside St. Louis.
Buck.
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:55:48 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
Why on earth did they carry off of that junk with them? Seems to me it would
be awfully hard to move that much stuff through undeveloped land. I am just
too LAZY to tote that much stuff :-) When I go woods loafing, all I take is
my possibles bag, shootin' bag, powder horn, shootin' iron, a knife, and a
blanket.
Possum
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:55:32 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Senario= 4 men
>3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>6 to 8 traps
> all the horses were there to hall plews out after the season was over.
Ole,
2 traps per man is a pretty heavy trap line for a man to run everyday.
Do you suppose they would be able to handle it, and still fill all them
horses?
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:14:22 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fooferaw
WY,
Dean did an interesting paper a while back. Seems that everytime ol'
Osborne Russel was about to go out he bought quite a few blue beads.
Hmmm...........
Allen
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:18:40 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
Ole,
Excellent list, thankyou.
Allen
At 08:10 PM 02/03/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Allen,
>I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
>you have received.
>Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
>The following is my list.
>2 pair footwear ea
>3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>1 riding saddle
>3 pack saddles
>6 to 8 traps
>1- long arm ea
>1 or 2 pistols ea
>50 lbs powder for 4 men
>15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
>bullet molds as needed per person
>1- bullet laddle
>500" x1/2" rope
>5 lbs soap
>1 dozen gun flints
>1 skining knife
>1 scalping knife
>4 wool blankets per person
>4 yards patch material
>4 lbs tobaco
>Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
>1- fire steel per person
>2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
>2-frying pans
>1-felling axe
>1-hand axe
>500'0" linnen thread
>12 sewing needles
>1 doz awls
>1-cup each tin or copper
>3-shirts each
>2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
>4lbs coffee
>4lbs suggar
>10lbs salt
>1/2 lb pepper
>10 lbs floure
>1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
>6- lead pencils
>20 hanks of beeds for trade
>vermilion for trade
>4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
>2-wedge tents
>1-hat ea
>1-Bible
>1-compass
>toiletries as group wanted
>1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
>1-west ea (optional)
>socks (optional)
>fishing gear (optional)
>reading glasses as nessecarry
>smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
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>There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
>plews out after the season was over.
>YMOS
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