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hist_text-digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 733
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá MtMan-List: A non TV movie Sundance Film Institute should consider
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bladders
-áááááá RE: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bladders
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A non TV movie Sundance Film Institute should consider
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá MtMan-List: Years Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
-áááááá MtMan-List: matches
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not?
-áááááá MtMan-List: degreasing coon skins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not?
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:57:10 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
I think you are right. But I am not sure it is a book as it was a very good
article in an old magazine like The Buckskin Report.
Linda Holley......But now that you bring it up, I will go back and check my
material.
ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
> > I have also seen some of the old drawings and information on capotes not
> > having fringe. The, a few that show capotes, old Indian sketch books
> > depict capotes with no fringe.
>
> Somewhere out there is a book that depicts 7 different capote styles and
> places them in space and time. Surely one of you has read this book and
> remembers it. I remember reading it, but memories just seem to flow together
> when trying to remember where.
>
> Dave
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:00:40 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: A non TV movie Sundance Film Institute should consider
The Life of Joseph Reddeford Walker with everything 100% period correct.
AMM members serve as advisors and also as cast members. Many scenes
filmed on the AMM Headquarters Property. IIRC not one man was ever
killed when Mighty Joe led an exploration party.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:03:54 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bladders
Jill,
I use the bags for pemmican, water, rendered tallow and of course my bark
tanned one for tobacco. Also they are handy to store extra vermillion &
such.
I trim the fat off of them, rinse well, blow them up & hang them out to
dry. I work them by hand to soften for use. Nothing fancy....
D
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:04:53 -0600
From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
=3D) Actually, I already have those. I probably should have been =
asking what style of blanket, since as I look at it, there are =
descriptions of the various coats. Thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of =
SWzypher@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:40 PM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
>=20
>=20
>=20
> In a message dated 2/1/1 06:41:03 PM, farseer@swbell.net writes:
>=20
> <<Speaking of capotes>>
>=20
> Try Jim Hanson's "Sketchbooks" No. 1, No. 2, Longrifle, and Voyageur=20
> editions all have clothing references. Jim had good references=20
> and has been=20
> at this stuff for decades. He was raised right at the Museum of the =
Fur=20
> Trade and has a doctorate in related fields. There are better=20
> artists, but=20
> his drawings are fully workable. Lots of great stuff besides=20
> clothing, too.=20
> You may find you want ALL the "Fur Press" publications.
>=20
> RJames
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:06:07 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bladders
Linda,
Most of my bags are used and replaced as such. But my barktanned one that I
use for tobacco has been with me for years, it is like fine braintan, it is
so soft. So if they are tanned n a manner, they last a lot longer..
D
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:06:13 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
Pages 45-48, in The Book of Buckskinnng ll, show
a picture of a capote with fringe, the pattern
and instructions on how to make it from a HBC
blanket.
Victoria
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:17:48 EST ThisOldFox@aol.com writes:
> > I have also seen some of the old drawings and information on
> capotes not
> > having fringe. The, a few that show capotes, old Indian sketch
> books
> > depict capotes with no fringe.
>
> Somewhere out there is a book that depicts 7 different capote styles
> and
> places them in space and time. Surely one of you has read this book
> and
> remembers it. I remember reading it, but memories just seem to flow
> together
> when trying to remember where.
>
> Dave
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:12:03 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A non TV movie Sundance Film Institute should consider
More info. pleeeaassseeee....... or is this just a suggestion, if so I
second it. Joe Walker is a real hero. hardtack
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:29:42 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
In a message dated 2/2/01 6:10:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<< So many of us (I will include me as guilty) have accumulated so much of
what we now hear is not right that we are loath to discard it. >>
So true, El Capitan. Myself included. Lately I've kinda figured that if you
camp at a place where your original and no longer correct gee-gaw has already
been accepted as ok, like at a public rondy, or its just that your persona
has evolved, other people can use it to get started. I started donating the
stuff as blanket or raffle prizes for club rendezvous shoots. It helps the
organization putting on the event and in many cases tourons buy tickets and
end up with some old-timey stuff and they love it! Even though the stuff
isn't PC, it makes ya feel good to see it go to a loving home ;).
Barney
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:31:10 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
In a message dated 2/2/01 6:18:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ThisOldFox@aol.com writes:
<< Somewhere out there is a book that depicts 7 different capote styles >>
IIRC, Northwest Traders had a catalog that showed about that many styles,
with great descriptions. Barn
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:33:50 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
In a message dated 2/2/01 7:07:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, vapate@juno.com
writes:
<< Pages 45-48, in The Book of Buckskinnng ll, show a picture of a capote
with fringe, >>
well that proves that it didn't exist in our time <GGG> Barn
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:38:10 -0700
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
I just saw the A&E network's program about the hawk and knife doin's at Ft
Bridger on Memorial Day. Although there was plenty of non period stuff all
over the place (about par for a public show, and that's OK by me), I was
very happy to see my good friend, Mokie Hipol, displaying his skills with
the hawk and knife as well as his skills as a human being. A more gracious,
generous man would be hard to find and I am proud to call him Brother.
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:09:49 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
Folklore suggests that burying hickory in a pile of horse manure for 6=20
months will increase flexibility.
The critical issue is to have full length grain; end to end. Most of wha=
t=20
we see today is sawn lumber where the grain runs out the side one or more=
=20
times from end to end. Best is splits of sound wood worked down and=20
straightened.
John...
At 08:53 PM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Hawk,
>This may be a wild, bizarre idea, but how about soaking one ramrod in a
>small pan of 100% extra virgin olive oil, and one ramrod in a small pan
>of jojoba oil to see if the flexibility (or other mechanical properties)
>of the hickory rod is greater than with soaking in diesel fuel for one
>month. also more period correct?
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>from Michigan
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
<http://www.kramerize.com/>
mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:45:48 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
In a message dated 2/2/1 07:10:56 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<< So many of us (I will include me as guilty) have
accumulated so much of what we now hear is not right that we are loath to
discard it. This accumulation of "not right" stuff represents no small
investment. The suggestion is even made to "hand it down" to someone just
getting started but that perpetuates the situation of many new people seeing
things at a Rendezvous that were never seen at a historical event>>
This does get sensitive, doesn't it - when you look at some things, knowing
the time and costs involved while at the same time not wanting to have
someone see something (in your plunder pile) and think it is historically
correct. Kinda like getting rid of the old Edsel for scrap costs, huh?
RJames
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:59:06 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Mike,
Do a word search on Deans site and you will find the tooth brushes and
tooth powder.
"Teton" Todd D. Glover
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:20:09 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:45:48 EST SWzypher@aol.com writes:
>
> In a message dated 2/2/1 07:10:56 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
>
> << So many of us (I will include me as guilty) have
> accumulated so much of what we now hear is not right that we are
> loath to
> discard it.
Capt,
You must be mourning having to discard
your French Bodice. I commiserate.
Just take a deep cleansing breath and
put it out in the garage. I can
attest to the pain of having to do this,
but you'll get over it in no time like
the rest of us.......uh.......gals. <G>
Victoria
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:14:52 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Marinetti" <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
> Hey Hawk,
> This may be a wild, bizarre idea, but how about soaking one ramrod in a
> small pan of 100% extra virgin olive oil, and one ramrod in a small pan
> of jojoba oil to see if the flexibility
Jon,
Sounds like fun. How do we pick two or three hickory rods that have the same
exact tensile strength so we know that each "liquid" gets a fair test and
that the breakage wasn't caused by a flaw in the wood?
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:36:43 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
If we strted now, we could clone a few trees........ <s>
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:29:14 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
These days it don't take much. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Holley" <tipis@mediaone.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
> How short ;-)?????
>
> Linda
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:35:45 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
> So true, El Capitan. Myself included.
Barney,
Don't mean any offense by this but I'm not El Capitan. That names taken.
Don't matter what you call me but please not that. Too much honor is
attached to that title in some company and that honor is not mine. Thanks.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:59:51 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
Just saw the program too. Looks like we do more than stay in front of a
computer screen. Who owns the "Smurf" purple tipi? Saw that years ago at the
Utah ren.
Linda Holley
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
> I just saw the A&E network's program about the hawk and knife doin's at Ft
> Bridger on Memorial Day. Although there was plenty of non period stuff all
> over the place (about par for a public show, and that's OK by me), I was
> very happy to see my good friend, Mokie Hipol, displaying his skills with
> the hawk and knife as well as his skills as a human being. A more gracious,
> generous man would be hard to find and I am proud to call him Brother.
> Lanney Ratcliff
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:52:08 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:39:26 -0600
If you looked real quick there was Crazy Cyot helping toss a kid on a
deer hide that was being worked.
Too bad they didn't show more of the AMM demo camp.
"Teton" Todd D. Glover
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:50:43 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
It helps the
> organization putting on the event and in many cases tourons buy tickets
and
> end up with some old-timey stuff and they love it! Even though the stuff
> isn't PC, it makes ya feel good to see it go to a loving home ;).
> Barney
Barney,
You know that is a great idea. I think I'll do that. I've started shooting
again with such clubs. Thanks for the idea. I know my wife will appreciate
it. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:58:13 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
we are
> > loath to
> > discard it.
>
> Capt,
> You must be mourning having to discard
> your French Bodice. I commiserate.
> Just take a deep cleansing breath and
> put it out in the garage. I can
> attest to the pain of having to do this,
> but you'll get over it in no time like
> the rest of us.......uh.......gals. <G>
>
> Victoria
My dear young lady. I said I was loath to discard it. I didn't say I was
going to. It's not a bodice anymore, it is now a deeply cut vest much like
the RMFT wore. Waste not, want not.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:19:06 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:58:13 -0800 "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
writes:
>
>> > Capt,
> > You must be mourning having to discard
> > your French Bodice. I commiserate.
> > Just take a deep cleansing breath and
> > put it out in the garage. I can
> > attest to the pain of having to do this,
> > but you'll get over it in no time like
> > the rest of us.......uh.......gals. <G>
> >
> > Victoria
>
> My dear young lady. I said I was loath to discard it. I didn't say I
> was
> going to. It's not a bodice anymore, it is now a deeply cut vest
> much like
> the RMFT wore. Waste not, want not.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
I agree.
I was going to suggest your remaking the
bodice into cloth leggins. You would have
had enough material if your bodice was lined.
But a vest is good. <G>
Victoria
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:28:30 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:50:45 -0800 "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
writes:
>
> > My Dear Captain Lahti,
> >
> > I'm so glad you asked!
>
> My Dear Mistress Gottfred,
>
> It was entirely my pleasure. <G> How could I have refused such an
> invitation
> from such an admired and Gracious Lady.:)
>
> > If you want to know how to dress like an Eastern lady, *read*
> Tidings (instead of just looking at the pictures ;-) . Instead of a
> bodice, wear a shortgown; it's just as easy to sew, and
> much more accurate....... And if you wish to dress like the Metis
> (half-breed) wife, mother, or daughter of a fur trader, the best I
> can suggest is to wear a shirt (NOT a shift), short gown, petticoat
> (i.e. skirt), leggins, & moccasins.
>
> Now we're getting some where! Thank you so much for this sharing. I
> particularly like what you have included about the Metis. I suspect
> that this style of dress was seen quit regularly where women other
than
> Tribal female members were often present.
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
Capt. Lahti'
Ah swan, you've gone and done it again!
Your breath of knowledge, your insights, the brilliant
workings of your mind never fail to impress me!
Even your speculatin's have a touch of genius! <G>
Your supposition "I suspect that this [Metis] style
of dress was seen quite regularly where women
other than Tribal female members were often
present" is in fact a fact!
Please note this excerpt from "Tales of the Northwest" by
Joseph Snelling. Mr. Snelling wrote of life in early Minnesota,
recalling the influx of Red River colonists in the 1820's:
"The spouses of the emigrants had found it
expedient to adopt the costume of the half-breed
females, as better adapted to the country than their own.
It consists of a short waisted upper garment, cut and
shaped like a hussar jacket, and a skirt, with a pair
of leggins, all of cloth. A pair of moccasins, sometimes
ornamented with porcupine's quills, a knife stuck in the
girdle, and hair hanging down the back in a queue as
thick and as long as large Bologna sausages, completed
the toilet." (Tales of the Northwest, Joseph Snelling;
Ross and Haines, Inc. Minneapolis, MN; 1971, pp 130-
31).
You hit the nail on the head once
again!!! You're amazing!!! <G>
Victoria
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:03:58 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
WY,
>How's that Allen?
>
>WY
Some fine additions! Maybe those young ladies would have their own horses!
But then with those ladies you're be hauling alot more geegaws and fooferaw!
Allen
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:01:34 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Years Supply
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Couple more things that have not been mantioned for the list.
Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =20
I have been reading some of Jed's letters home this week end and I am =
surprised at how home sick he was.=20
Picket pins for the stock out on the plains
My list should have a better meantion of items for the squaw also like =
warm clothing etc.
=20
After some thought I wonder if you were serious about trading if you =
really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I think we underestimate the =
craftiness of Indian traders. If you wanted a muckrat pelt or a pair =
of mocs maybe those little items would have worked but let's face it =
those Natives got the fussils that they carried by trading horses, =
beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the big trade items you had =
better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses, kettles....well now that is =
getting to far into another subject. =20
=20
Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at some of the additions others have =
made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a shovel, etc."=20
WY
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Couple more things that have not been =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been reading some of Jed's =
letters home this=20
week end and I am surprised at how home sick he was. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Picket pins for the stock out on the=20
plains</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My list should have a better meantion =
of items for=20
the squaw also like warm clothing etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After some thought I wonder if you were =
serious=20
about trading if you really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I =
think we=20
underestimate the craftiness of Indian traders. If you =
wanted a=20
muckrat pelt or a pair of mocs maybe those little items would have =
worked but=20
let's face it those Natives got the fussils that they carried =
by=20
trading horses, beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the =
big trade=20
items you had better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses, =
kettles....well now=20
that is getting to far into another=20
subject. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at =
some of the=20
additions others have made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a =
shovel,=20
etc."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WY</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:32:15 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
My people were some of the emigrants on the Minnesota frontier. If any
of you find yourselves in St. Paul/Minneapolis area , check out FT
Snelling..... it's a wonderful place. It is near Minnehaha falls... a
magical place. The Fort has a wonderful Living history program. It is
at the confluence of the Minnesota River and the Mississippi River.
Check out the Minnesota Historical Society Press. hardtack
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:26:23 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: matches
Joe Bilby asked,
<Weren't matches an invention of the late 1850s or thereabouts?>
According to the History Channel, matches first were introduced in 1827.
The were marketed in cardboard folders that looked almost exactly like
modern paper matches. The brand name was 'Lucifers'. I think they were also
called fire sticks.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:48:48 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Bodice's
Does the Girdle refer to the belt or waist area?
Linda Holley
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:39:26 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not?
> Look at the Iceman discovery, he changed history; the "in the know people"
got
> slapped in the face on their theories of the different ages when "this
came to
> be" or "that's when this was started", they where a 1000 years off on the
bronze
> axe. > Buck.
Make that a copper axe Buck.
Walt
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:10:14 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: degreasing coon skins
Someone posted a recipe for chemical tan of a coon skin a few weeks back.
They mentioned using "borax" in the degreasing process. I am unfamiliar with
this method and was wondering if you could use regular old borax found in the
cleaning supply section (I.E. - "20-mule team", etc.) for this? Thanks!
- -C.Kent
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:12:55 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not?
Buck
Exactly right!.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not?
>Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2001, 7:13 PM
>
>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
>
>> Linda,
>> I have been doing this since the 70s, what was suppose to be gospel back
>> then has turned to dust. Funny how we can wish something into existance just
>> to watch it change as things come to light.Every source is only partial, if
>> there are 50 surviving capotes there were probably 5000 made during the
>> period, they were made by hundreds of makers all trying to look as good as
>> the could. You will never be posative and I have found that I have had to
>> change my openion many time.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
>
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>Ole,
>
>The more we dig the more will be found, an old 1820's capote is probably in a
>trunk that hasn't been opened for 50-60 years, and the owners wouldn't know it's
>age is when they realize they have it.
>
>Like it or not you'll have to agree that with modern ways (computers), equipment
>used to locate items covered, and folks being more aware of our past because of
>TV, news media, etc. - we are finding that information we learned in school
>years ago is changing, not the written truth we had believed.
>
>Look at the Iceman discovery, he changed history; the "in the know people" got
>slapped in the face on their theories of the different ages when "this came to
>be" or "that's when this was started", they where a 1000 years off on the bronze
>axe.
>
>The better the tools the researchers have, shared knowledge, and ability to put
>the information out to the public just keeps getting better. We're living in a
>great age and able to reap the benefits of what's happening, one more example is
>the cooking pot - brass, copper, whatever - now found to be of Dutch making
>originally, according to new information that Peter Goebel has found, they where
>traded all over Europe and copied by every craftsman from as many countries as
>there where in the "Copper and Bronze Ages".
>
>Isn't this great stuff we're experiencing. Boys would Hanson have loved to have
>been around a little longer to get involved more than he was, neat.
>
>Buck.
>
>
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