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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #732 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, February 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 732 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Year's Supply -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bladders -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bladders -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe -áááááá MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:22:15 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Year's Supply This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C08D2B.EC801120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:25:34 -0800=20 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Year's Supply=20 Allen, Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this:=20 Rifle or Smoothbore (depending on preference)=20 Pair of Pistols large bore (to settle disputes of the final kind)=20 Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements = Including several tow worms Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of = powder)=20 3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching=20 20 LB. gun powder 40 LB. Galena 4 doz.. English Gun Flints Fire Steel Tobacco ( not sure how much ?)=20 2 or 3 clay pipes Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair)=20 Large Knife possibly a butcher knife Trappers Axe or Half Axe (for used = in actual trapping) Full sized Axe (for use in building shelters etc..)=20 8 Beaver Traps (6 to 8 was typical)=20 2 or 3 Files (for sharpening cutting tools)=20 2 or 3 Awls=20 Sewing Needles Linen Thread Kettle of some kind (tin or brass) 1 or more Tin Cups 2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches (tired of wearin = them buckskins) Maybe a new Felt Hat=20 He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from = rendezvous. Most of it was consumed there.=20 Trade Items (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.)=20 Beads Bells=20 Tomahawks Ribbon=20 As many butcher knives as he could afford. As many as a doz.. maybe.=20 Fire Steels (several)=20 Various other GeeGaws=20 Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items were = typical.Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same = stuff except less powder and lead, and probably more food items. If = anyone has any additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in = and let's here it. Pendleton=20 If we get to list without having to pay for it I would add: 1 tender young and capable squaw especially if she is from a tribe I = will be near. 2 horses 4 mules Appropriate tack for above including manties Lots and lots of rope Rum Rice Wedge tent- ever spent the winter without shelter? Smoothbore if the choice was rifle above. Compass and any maps possible Telescope or whatever that would be called More Rum Several changes of footwear or stuff to make it Spices for trap bait Salt and pepper=20 More blankets than two. OK I'm a wus. Oh maybe the horse gear would take = care of that. No let's take extra. Extra cloth too, maybe 10 yards Several layers of warm clothing ie buckskin coat capote wool leggins etc Mittens Scarves Extra buttons Extra ramrod or whipping stick and extra spring for lock Spurs and/or quirt More Rum? This aint no weekend trip and I would rather be the guy that everyone = traded from than the guy that traded off my years work to get by. How's that Allen? WY - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C08D2B.EC801120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:25:34 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" <<A = href=3D"mailto:yrrw@airmail.net"><FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff>yrrw@airmail.net</A>> Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 Year's Supply Allen, Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this: Rifle or Smoothbore (depending on preference) Pair of Pistols large bore (to settle disputes of the final kind) = Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements = Including=20 several tow worms Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of powder) = 3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching 20 LB. gun powder 40 LB. Galena 4 doz.. English Gun Flints Fire Steel Tobacco ( not sure how much ?) = 2 or 3 clay pipes Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair) Large Knife possibly a butcher knife Trappers Axe or Half Axe (for = used in=20 actual trapping) Full sized Axe (for use in building shelters etc..) = 8 Beaver Traps (6 to 8 was typical) 2 or 3 Files (for sharpening cutting tools) 2 or 3 Awls Sewing Needles Linen Thread Kettle of some kind (tin or brass) 1 or more Tin Cups 2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches (tired of = wearin=20 them buckskins) Maybe a new Felt Hat He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from = rendezvous. Most of it was consumed there. Trade Items (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.) Beads Bells Tomahawks Ribbon As many butcher knives as he could afford. As many as a doz.. maybe. = Fire Steels (several) Various other GeeGaws Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items = were=20 typical.Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same = stuff=20 except less powder and lead, and probably more food items. If anyone has = any=20 additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in and let's here = it.=20 Pendleton If we get to list without having to pay for it I would add: 1 tender young and capable squaw especially if she is from a tribe I = will be=20 near. 2 horses 4 mules Appropriate tack for above including manties Lots and lots of rope Rum Rice Wedge tent– ever spent the winter without shelter? Smoothbore if the choice was rifle above. Compass and any maps possible Telescope or whatever that would be called More Rum Several changes of footwear or stuff to make it Spices for trap bait Salt and pepper More blankets than two. OK I’m a wus. Oh maybe the horse gear = would take care=20 of that. No let’s take extra. Extra cloth too, maybe 10 yards Several layers of warm clothing ie buckskin coat capote wool leggins = etc Mittens Scarves Extra buttons Extra ramrod or whipping stick and extra spring for lock Spurs and/or quirt More Rum? This aint no weekend trip and I would rather be the guy that everyone = traded=20 from than the guy that traded off my years work to get by. How’s that Allen? WY</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C08D2B.EC801120-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:56:10 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe Larry, I'm hoping you can elaborate on fringe helping to shed water? What exactly do you mean? Rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:10:22 -0800 From: "Butch Wright" <bwright012@home.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series Thank you for the information. I just reached them by phone today. The first volume is still available and volume two will be out next month. I'll look forward to alot of interesting reading. Butch - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Fisher" <difisher@yahoo.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series > I had a number of requests for more information on > "The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West" > series of books that are being republished by Arthur > H. Clark Publishers. I thought these books were so > well known that they needed no comment but some of the > newer folks have not heard of them. They were > published back in the 60's or 70's and a used set will > set you back about $2000 or $3000 dollars. These > books are for the serious scholar of the fur trade and > contain about 300 biographies of individual mountain > men along with maps,portraits, illustrations,etc. > Each book runs about 400 pages. I double checked the > promo piece they send me and it says they are only > reprinting 500 sets. I also checked their web site > (ahclark.com) and this series has not been posted > there yet but here is the ordering information if you > want to beat the crowd. They run $55 per volume but > if you subscribe you get a 20% discount on the last > nine volumes. > > Dennis Fisher > > Ordering/Special Services > Orders by e-mail/FAX/phone/mail > > Feel free to order by E-mail, toll-free phone > (800-842-9286), FAX (509-928-4364), or mail to Arthur > H. Clark Co, P.O. Box 14707, Spokane, WA 99214-0707. > Please supply name, full address, phone number and > email address (if available) with order. > > Orders from individuals must be prepaid except with > established account. > > Mastercard and Visa accepted. > > Washington residents include .081 sales tax. > > Orders will be shipped via USPO 4th class book rate > unless otherwise requested. > > Charge is $4.00 for first book, $1.00 per additional. > > All foreign orders must be prepaid by credit card. > > Prices are subject to change without notice. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:08:40 -0700 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply We know that the upper crust of people in the west used and carried tooth brushes with them. People like Parkman and Stewart (tourists) had some and I guess it boils down to "toiletries" (?). Very few men described how they kept clean or any thing to do with sanitation. Some of the records deccribe doing this before going into rendezvous and when approaching a fort. But besides a washing of the body and shaving, not much is said. I figure that the common man didn't have much use for a tooth brush except to clean their guns. But that would be a good reason to carry one today. I bought my last one at Fort Laramie. A big, stiff, old style one that would scrub about anything. Jim Hardee of the Fur Trade Rescearch Center, sent me copies of a trade list from the Missouri Historical Society and it lists combs, shaving soap, razors, strops, washing soap and mirrors. Hanson shows these in the lists of trade goods sent to rendezvous. I can't pull up where I've seen toothbrushes, but some of my books are on loan to my future son in law (trying to start him out right!). Oh, yea, on another subject, he also lists salt as going there too. Which is what I use instead of toothpaste. Cleans, washes out any cuts (specially the coarser grains) and makes me feel like I have at least a chance with the lady. mike. HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/01 9:50:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, > amm1616@earthlink.net writes: > > < be availible and a local trading house or fort and I could afforf to trade > for > them): > > <<-a book to read and a deck of cards (helps pass the time in camp or winter > quarters,>> > It is dicumented in multiple places that many of the mtn. men attended "Rocky > mtn. college...learning or sharpening academic skills in winter camp, etc. so > books were certain to be around. The bible was not an altogether absent item > from these guys' packs. But like most of us..some liked to read and some did > not I am sure. > > <<-comb (several used mane combs) and a toothbrush>> > Did these guys use toothbrushes that commonly? I thought the frayed twig was > used for such. And that standards for oral hygiene were less than what we > consider acceptable today. Also, archaeology shows that people groups that > ate mostly natural foods with little or no sugars and starches had very > little tooth decay even without brushing. Would a mtn. man's diet be such as > that? > > << -couple extra ram rods (willows do work, but flex alot)>> > Would these be called 'wiping sticks' back then? > > <<- a canvas cover or mante (to cover the furs at night, have for a shelter > or > bedroll cover, and cover the packs)>> > Did the mtn. men ue "russian sheeting"/oil cloth/ tanned hides to protect > most of their goods and bundle them up to pack on their animals. If so, I > imagine these saw multiple duty useage around the camp! > > Just putting those questions out there for the more knowing minds to speak on! > > -C. Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:29:52 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bladders I think that's great that you use bladder bags too. Charles Larpenter wrote of buying bladders of fat {or was it marrow}. I use them mostly for holding quills, but I hope to get a good collection for food, too. I blow them up and let them dry, scrape off all the fat, then put them in the freezer for about 20 minutes to absorb just a bit of moisture. They can be worked easily then by pinching and twisting small areas till they are pliable. I know that some people put brains on to make them even more pliable. Tell me what you do to yours, and have you used them for anything besides tobacco? What about heart sack containers, has anyone tried them? By the way, I don't like bladders for water, they taste exactly like urine, but once they are worked the urine taste is gone. Jill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:40:23 -0500 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls Angela, Interesting about the tapered sleeves. In your studies did you find that it was typical or even likely to have trimmed cuffs? By trimmed I mean anywhere from just doubled over to having contrasting material added. Thanks! Tom Angela Gottfred wrote: > > My research area is the Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821. A couple years back, > I was pulling all the capote info together for my period for an article. > One of the things I was surprised to discover was a complete absence of > fringe on capots. The other two key findings were that capots were all > slightly shorter than knee-length, and that the sleeves were tailored to > fit closely at the wrist, rather than being a simple tube that's just as > wide at the wrist as at the shoulder. So, once we finished the article, we > modified my husband's capot to match up with our research. > > We also didn't find a single reference to *women* wearing capots. Zero, > zip, nada, rien! But an article in one of the Books of Buckskinning had > already alerted me to that possibility, so I didn't have to change anything. > > Your humble & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:47:42 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe Rick wrote: I'm hoping you can elaborate on fringe helping to shed water? What exactly do you mean? Rick, As the rain falls on the cape of a frock, it travels to the rows of fringe, where it wicks out of the fabric rather than stopping at the hem and continueing to soak everything under it. Now understand, there is nothing absolutely waterproof in a long rainstorm, but a well made frock will work well. The cape will be very wet while the shoulders will stay fairly dry. Many of the 'driving coats' worn by the well-to-do during the 18th century had multiple capes on them to protect the wearer from the rain. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:27:06 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. I have also seen some of the old drawings and information on capotes not having fringe. The, a few that show capotes, old Indian sketch books depict capotes with no fringe. And, of this goes along with the women wearing the Indian dresses with all the ribbon streaming off the sleeves and triangular open sleeves which did not exist till traders needed something to sell at rendezvous. This is also a style of modern Pow wow dress that has come to the Rendezvous in the last 20 years. The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short dresses. Linda Holley mitch post wrote: > Angela is the first person I have heard suggest that > capote fringe is > not correct. Now she may be the only person on this > and other lists or at > scores of rendezvous over a period of decades who is > correct. Or for that > matter, many reference books, catalogs, patterns and > etc. That is possible. > But I do have doubts that that is the case.Frank G. > Fusco > Frank-will have to agree with Larry and Gene and > others on the fringed capotes. Lots of "stuff" is > accepted and supposedly "documented" at your average > drive and dump rendevous. Box-cut,fringed,outside > stitching,loom beadwork,fake embroidery on capotes is > just the "fringe"(bad pun)-capotes were generally > tailor made and sold/traded thru posts or trading > parties-probably not many "homemade". Do your research > in first person documents...Not what some guy who's > been doing this forever said. Catalogs,traders row,etc > is not "primary documentation". I build capotes and > try to stay with what is known-BUT, if a customer > wants a fancy incorrect capote...who am I to tuen sown > the $$? Just my input. Sincerely,Mitch Post Red DOg > Tradng Co./Hiparoo Hats Helena,Mt. > > ===== > "RIDE THE HIGH TRAIL-NEVER TUCK YOUR TAIL" > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:24:34 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey "Best, Dianne" wrote: > D. Miles wrote " Take off the dress and lipstick." > > Buck Conner responded "Arn't you at least going to wait for the second > date?" > > Concho says to be nice and remember their are ladies on the list. > > Well, as one of those ladies, Jin-o-ta-ka say to Concho, "Close mouth > whiteman! I want to watch weird one get undressed! Long winter. Need a good > laugh!" > > Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Hey Dennis, she doesn't know who she telling to "close mouth", that's the last person you say that to. Buck - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:43:03 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bladders Hey guys, we just had a big discussion on bladders at the Lodge Owners site. The people with the most experience just started "crinkling" it up. No brains or other material. These are disposable items. Just make more. Linda Holley GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > I think that's great that you use bladder bags too. Charles Larpenter > wrote of buying bladders of fat {or was it marrow}. I use them mostly for > holding quills, but I hope to get a good collection for food, too. I blow > them up and let them dry, scrape off all the fat, then put them in the > freezer for about 20 minutes to absorb just a bit of moisture. They can be > worked easily then by pinching and twisting small areas till they are > pliable. I know that some people put brains on to make them even more > pliable. Tell me what you do to yours, and have you used them for anything > besides tobacco? What about heart sack containers, has anyone tried them? > By the way, I don't like bladders for water, they taste exactly like urine, > but once they are worked the urine taste is gone. > > Jill > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:29:09 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not? Linda, I have been doing this since the 70s, what was suppose to be gospel back then has turned to dust. Funny how we can wish something into existance just to watch it change as things come to light.Every source is only partial, if there are 50 surviving capotes there were probably 5000 made during the period, they were made by hundreds of makers all trying to look as good as the could. You will never be posative and I have found that I have had to change my openion many time. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. >Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2001, 9:27 PM > >I have also seen some of the old drawings and information on capotes not >having fringe. The, a few that show capotes, old Indian sketch books >depict capotes with no fringe. >And, of this goes along with the women wearing the Indian dresses with all >the ribbon streaming off the sleeves and triangular open sleeves which did >not exist till traders needed something to sell at rendezvous. This is also >a style of modern Pow wow dress that has come to the Rendezvous in the last >20 years. The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short >dresses. > >Linda Holley > >mitch post wrote: > >> Angela is the first person I have heard suggest that >> capote fringe is >> not correct. Now she may be the only person on this >> and other lists or at >> scores of rendezvous over a period of decades who is >> correct. Or for that >> matter, many reference books, catalogs, patterns and >> etc. That is possible. >> But I do have doubts that that is the case.Frank G. >> Fusco >> Frank-will have to agree with Larry and Gene and >> others on the fringed capotes. Lots of "stuff" is >> accepted and supposedly "documented" at your average >> drive and dump rendevous. Box-cut,fringed,outside >> stitching,loom beadwork,fake embroidery on capotes is >> just the "fringe"(bad pun)-capotes were generally >> tailor made and sold/traded thru posts or trading >> parties-probably not many "homemade". Do your research >> in first person documents...Not what some guy who's >> been doing this forever said. Catalogs,traders row,etc >> is not "primary documentation". I build capotes and >> try to stay with what is known-BUT, if a customer >> wants a fancy incorrect capote...who am I to tuen sown >> the $$? Just my input. Sincerely,Mitch Post Red DOg >> Tradng Co./Hiparoo Hats Helena,Mt. >> >> ===== >> "RIDE THE HIGH TRAIL-NEVER TUCK YOUR TAIL" >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >> a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:36:10 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe In a message dated 2/2/1 04:47:01 PM, yrrw@airmail.net writes: <<Rick wrote: I'm hoping you can elaborate on fringe helping to shed water? What exactly do you mean? Rick, As the rain falls on the cape of a frock, it travels to the rows of fringe, where it wicks out of the fabric rather than stopping at the hem and continueing to soak everything under it. Now understand, there is nothing absolutely waterproof in a long rainstorm, but a well made frock will work well. The cape will be very wet while the shoulders will stay fairly dry. Many of the 'driving coats' worn by the well-to-do during the 18th century had multiple capes on them to protect the wearer from the rain. >> As a little addendum to what Larry wrote: The fringe - waving around in the air as it does, has more surface area exposed to evaporation so it dries quicker. This, through the osmotic process, draws moisture from "the wetter regions" of the fabric (leather) to this drying area and so speeds up the drying process for the whole. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Hey Hawk, This may be a wild, bizarre idea, but how about soaking one ramrod in a small pan of 100% extra virgin olive oil, and one ramrod in a small pan of jojoba oil to see if the flexibility (or other mechanical properties) of the hickory rod is greater than with soaking in diesel fuel for one month. also more period correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:06:35 -0500 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey Buck, Live & learn....<G> D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:13:03 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: whats period and whats not? "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Linda, > I have been doing this since the 70s, what was suppose to be gospel back > then has turned to dust. Funny how we can wish something into existance just > to watch it change as things come to light.Every source is only partial, if > there are 50 surviving capotes there were probably 5000 made during the > period, they were made by hundreds of makers all trying to look as good as > the could. You will never be posative and I have found that I have had to > change my openion many time. > YMOS > Ole # 718 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ole, The more we dig the more will be found, an old 1820's capote is probably in a trunk that hasn't been opened for 50-60 years, and the owners wouldn't know it's age is when they realize they have it. Like it or not you'll have to agree that with modern ways (computers), equipment used to locate items covered, and folks being more aware of our past because of TV, news media, etc. - we are finding that information we learned in school years ago is changing, not the written truth we had believed. Look at the Iceman discovery, he changed history; the "in the know people" got slapped in the face on their theories of the different ages when "this came to be" or "that's when this was started", they where a 1000 years off on the bronze axe. The better the tools the researchers have, shared knowledge, and ability to put the information out to the public just keeps getting better. We're living in a great age and able to reap the benefits of what's happening, one more example is the cooking pot - brass, copper, whatever - now found to be of Dutch making originally, according to new information that Peter Goebel has found, they where traded all over Europe and copied by every craftsman from as many countries as there where in the "Copper and Bronze Ages". Isn't this great stuff we're experiencing. Boys would Hanson have loved to have been around a little longer to get involved more than he was, neat. Buck. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:05:33 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short > dresses. Linda, Forgive me for saying this. <G> They drive me crazy too. OK, I said it. I feel better now. <G> I do agree with you. I would much rather see folks do it right if they know what is the right way. So many of us (I will include me as guilty) have accumulated so much of what we now hear is not right that we are loath to discard it. This accumulation of "not right" stuff represents no small investment. The suggestion is even made to "hand it down" to someone just getting started but that perpetuates the situation of many new people seeing things at a Rendezvous that were never seen at a historical event. I guess all we can do is keep talking about it and hope that some of this washes off on those who are coming along behind us. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:17:48 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. > I have also seen some of the old drawings and information on capotes not > having fringe. The, a few that show capotes, old Indian sketch books > depict capotes with no fringe. Somewhere out there is a book that depicts 7 different capote styles and places them in space and time. Surely one of you has read this book and remembers it. I remember reading it, but memories just seem to flow together when trying to remember where. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:54:38 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc. How short ;-)????? Linda Roger Lahti wrote: > The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short > > dresses. > > Linda, > > Forgive me for saying this. <G> > > They drive me crazy too. OK, I said it. I feel better now. <G> > > I do agree with you. I would much rather see folks do it right if they know > what is the right way. So many of us (I will include me as guilty) have > accumulated so much of what we now hear is not right that we are loath to > discard it. This accumulation of "not right" stuff represents no small > investment. The suggestion is even made to "hand it down" to someone just > getting started but that perpetuates the situation of many new people seeing > things at a Rendezvous that were never seen at a historical event. > > I guess all we can do is keep talking about it and hope that some of this > washes off on those who are coming along behind us. > > Capt. Lahti' > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #732 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.