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hist_text-digest Friday, February 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 731
In this issue:
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá MtMan-List: fringe
-áááááá MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Larry's shorthand !!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
-áááááá MtMan-List: Smokin'
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:39:44 -0600
From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
Speaking of capotes, how far back do they go? If I'm trying to portray =
a long hunter, heading west circa 1790- 1810, what type of coat/cloak is =
appropriate? I'm assuming that the RMFT style capote, made of a red =
blanket is probably from a later time, but I'm not sure. I've seen =
references to "lachine" blankets, and Northwest traders sells those, but =
I'm not sure what style would have been used. =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
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GHickman@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:56 PM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
>=20
>=20
> frankf@centurytel.net writes:
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> << Angela is the first person I have heard suggest that capote fringe =
is
> not correct. >>
>=20
> I have been hearing this repeatedly for a number of years and=20
> from several=20
> sources. I have never seen fringe on Capote's in any reference=20
> books. The=20
> only place I see it is in Trader's catalogs, such as Northwest=20
> Traders, and=20
> on folks at Rendezvous.
>=20
> I also know that none of the Miller paintings show fringe, nor do=20
> any of the=20
> Sketchbooks on Mountain Men and Voyageurs, which are taken from museum =
> specimens and other documents. Additionally it is not in Allen=20
> Chronister and=20
> Clay Landry's "Clothing of the Rocky Mountain Trapper, 1820-1840"=20
> in The Book=20
> of Buckskinning VII.=20
>=20
> Last fall, when I was at the Fur Trade Symposium, Allen Chronister and =
I=20
> talked about this briefly in discussing period clothing issues.=20
> Allen related=20
> that he had found no documentation for fringe on Capote's in the =
pre-1840=20
> period. Clay was also there but I don't remember if he was part of =
that=20
> discussion.
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> Just my .02 worth.
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:43:59 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
We had a rather extended discussion about salt a year or year and a half
ago.
Should be lots of info in the archives about it. I remember contributing a
rather long posting on Gurdon Hubbard gathering salt at the Vermilion Salt
Works, which still exist today, for the American Fur Co. Seems I recall
that
Buck did some extensive posting as well.
Dave Kanger
Dave, I remember the discussion which was about gathering salt, but I don't
recall any discussion about how much salt was hauled to the rendezvous.
I'll have to check it out and see what I can find.
Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:48:09 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
Speaking of capotes, how far back do they go? If I'm trying to portray a
long hunter, heading west circa 1790- 1810, what type of coat/cloak is
appropriate? I'm assuming that the RMFT style capote, made of a red
blanket is probably from a later time, but I'm not sure. I've seen
references to "lachine" blankets, and Northwest traders sells those, but I'm
not sure what style would have been used.
Todd,
Thomas Nutall wrote about seeing trappers wearing capotes on the Arkansas
River in 1819. Sorry, I dont remember the name of the book right now ,but I
can look it up.
Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:09:42 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Dave,
Just checked Dean's website and saw no reference to salt being carried or
traded at rendezvous.
Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:05:20 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
I agree with most that fringe doesn't show up on any capotes I seen.
But, Paul at Northwest Traders is very knowledgeable on blankets and
capotes. Why not call him or write and ask him about your concerns?
mike.
GHickman@aol.com wrote:
> frankf@centurytel.net writes:
>
> << Angela is the first person I have heard suggest that capote fringe is
> not correct. >>
>
> I have been hearing this repeatedly for a number of years and from several
> sources. I have never seen fringe on Capote's in any reference books. The
> only place I see it is in Trader's catalogs, such as Northwest Traders, and
> on folks at Rendezvous.
>
> I also know that none of the Miller paintings show fringe, nor do any of the
> Sketchbooks on Mountain Men and Voyageurs, which are taken from museum
> specimens and other documents. Additionally it is not in Allen Chronister and
> Clay Landry's "Clothing of the Rocky Mountain Trapper, 1820-1840" in The Book
> of Buckskinning VII.
>
> Last fall, when I was at the Fur Trade Symposium, Allen Chronister and I
> talked about this briefly in discussing period clothing issues. Allen related
> that he had found no documentation for fringe on Capote's in the pre-1840
> period. Clay was also there but I don't remember if he was part of that
> discussion.
>
> Just my .02 worth.
>
> YMOS
> Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:16:46 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:28:38 EST SWcushing@aol.com writes:
>
> In a message dated 1/31/01 10:33:32 AM, vapate@juno.com writes:
>
> << discovered
> petroleum, or naptha, was a solvent for rubber and
> therefore could be used to rubberize textiles.
> Fabronni made his discovery in 1779.
>
> Victoria >>
>
> Thanks Victoria! If we have another feast like we had at Fort
> Nisqually a
> few weeks back, Capt Lahti and I both are goin to need "rubberized"
> suspenders. :o(
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
Hey Magpie,
In that case, you all oughta check into the elastic
suspenders Lanney wrote about--the ones
made out of woven elastic. Those suspenders
should stretch reeeeeeeal good. <G>
Victoria
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:45:09 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Allen,
I would probably add a few things (unless I knew that they would
be availible and a local trading house or fort and I could afforf to trade for
them):
- -a book to read and a deck of cards (helps pass the time in camp or winter
quarters,
the David Adams journal says the cards were a hot item)
- -repair needs for horses and horse equipment (horse shoes and nails- were the
horses
shoed then?) Also a extra lead rope, hobbles, picket pin and rope (for packing
the extra horse or mule).
- - a bag of salt/ pepper combined, and a bag of sugar
- -comb (several used mane combs) and a toothbrush
- -wool cap and gloves (or plan for using up a blanket for this and to make socks
and leggings out of.
- -couple extra ram rods (willows do work, but flex alot)
- -I would carry two kettles, one for coffee or tea the other for boiling water
or cooking in (this way you can eat and drink at the same time and not wait
for one or the other).
- -If the regular knife didn't do a good job skinning, I woudl have a skinning and
fleshing knife.
- - a canvas cover or mante (to cover the furs at night, have for a shelter or
bedroll
cover, and cover the packs)
- -shovel (or spade) for digging a cache. Hopefully not to bury someone!
- -smaller rope for ends of traps and attaching to float stick.
- -something stuck away for special occassions (a small bottle of "medicine"
for coughs, maybe a nice hunk of chocolate or sweet)
You can go alot lighter, just the clothes on your back, a gun, pouch,
horn, knife and horse. But starting out would make myself as comfortable
as I could afford to. Allow for spoilage, loss and thief. But most of all a good
friend who would watch my back, help with the camp chores, talk to me every
now and again.
mike.
larry pendleton wrote:
> Allen,
> Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this:
> Rifle or Smoothbore (depending on preference)
> Pair of Pistols large bore (to settle disputes of the final kind)
> Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements Including
> several tow worms
> Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of powder)
> 3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching
> 20 LB. gun powder
> 40 LB. Galena
> 4 doz.. English Gun Flints
> Fire Steel
> Tobacco ( not sure how much ?)
> 2 or 3 clay pipes
> Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair)
> Large Knife possibly a butcher knife
> Trappers Axe or Half Axe (for used in actual trapping)
> Full sized Axe (for use in building shelters etc..)
> 8 Beaver Traps (6 to 8 was typical)
> 2 or 3 Files (for sharpening cutting tools)
> 2 or 3 Awls
> Sewing Needles
> Linen Thread
> Kettle of some kind (tin or brass)
> 1 or more Tin Cups
> 2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches (tired of wearin them
> buckskins)
> Maybe a new Felt Hat
> He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from
> rendezvous. Most of it was consumed there.
> Trade Items (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.)
> Beads
> Bells
> Tomahawks
> Ribbon
> As many butcher knives as he could afford. As many as a doz.. maybe.
> Fire Steels (several)
> Various other GeeGaws
>
> Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items were
> typical.
> Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same stuff except
> less powder and lead, and probably more food items.
> If anyone has any additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in and
> let's here it.
>
> Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:20:19 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
In a message dated 1/31/01 6:51:31 PM, deforge1@bright.net writes:
<< T'was the lipstick and high heels that threw 'em...........<G>
D
>>
Haaaaa..... and the bodice.....<VBG>
Magpie
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:34:24 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls
My research area is the Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821. A couple years back,
I was pulling all the capote info together for my period for an article.
One of the things I was surprised to discover was a complete absence of
fringe on capots. The other two key findings were that capots were all
slightly shorter than knee-length, and that the sleeves were tailored to
fit closely at the wrist, rather than being a simple tube that's just as
wide at the wrist as at the shoulder. So, once we finished the article, we
modified my husband's capot to match up with our research.
We also didn't find a single reference to *women* wearing capots. Zero,
zip, nada, rien! But an article in one of the Books of Buckskinning had
already alerted me to that possibility, so I didn't have to change anything.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:05:10 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Mike Moore wrote:
- -something stuck away for special occassions (a small bottle of "medicine"
for coughs, maybe a nice hunk of chocolate or sweet)
Besides serving as a treat, a good sized chunk of sugar can also serve to
make it easier to pass a cold night more comfortably. Eaten right before
rolling into a blanket the sugar will warm you noticeably. Try it if you
don't believe it.
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:20:50 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
In a message dated 2/1/01 9:50:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
amm1616@earthlink.net writes:
<< I would probably add a few things (unless I knew that they would
be availible and a local trading house or fort and I could afforf to trade
for
them):
<<-a book to read and a deck of cards (helps pass the time in camp or winter
quarters,>>
It is dicumented in multiple places that many of the mtn. men attended "Rocky
mtn. college...learning or sharpening academic skills in winter camp, etc. so
books were certain to be around. The bible was not an altogether absent item
from these guys' packs. But like most of us..some liked to read and some did
not I am sure.
<<-comb (several used mane combs) and a toothbrush>>
Did these guys use toothbrushes that commonly? I thought the frayed twig was
used for such. And that standards for oral hygiene were less than what we
consider acceptable today. Also, archaeology shows that people groups that
ate mostly natural foods with little or no sugars and starches had very
little tooth decay even without brushing. Would a mtn. man's diet be such as
that?
<< -couple extra ram rods (willows do work, but flex alot)>>
Would these be called 'wiping sticks' back then?
<<- a canvas cover or mante (to cover the furs at night, have for a shelter
or
bedroll cover, and cover the packs)>>
Did the mtn. men ue "russian sheeting"/oil cloth/ tanned hides to protect
most of their goods and bundle them up to pack on their animals. If so, I
imagine these saw multiple duty useage around the camp!
Just putting those questions out there for the more knowing minds to speak on!
- -C. Kent
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:31:55 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
> Just checked Dean's website and saw no reference to salt being carried or
> traded at rendezvous.
Did a quick web search and found the following about L&C at Ft. Clasop.
http://www.nps.gov/focl//adhi2f.htm
Dave
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:28:59 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
> Thanks Victoria! If we have another feast like we had at Fort Nisqually a
> few weeks back, Capt Lahti and I both are goin to need "rubberized"
> suspenders. :o(
Magpie,
Your getting pretty familiar for a new AMM pilgrim. I though they was to be
seen fetching wood and not heard makin fun of their betters?! <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:33:00 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
> Concho says to be nice and remember their are ladies on the list, he also
> send "hugs & kisses" for Valentine's Day to the friendly blacksmith. Need
I
> say more.
>
> Buck.
Buck,
No, I think that pretty much tells it all. D, you surprise me with your
versatility. Wana borrow a dress for the party? <G> Or just the right heels?
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:03:18 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
Ole,
That's the short list.
Where's indentured servitude when we really need it?
John...
At 08:01 PM 1/31/01 -0700, you wrote:
>John,
>You are not realy an employer, your a "priest, councilor,mother, banker,
>baby sitter and nurse".
>YMOS
>Ole # 718
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> >From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
> >Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2001, 6:18 PM
> >
>
> >At 07:21 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >>John - you've been stuck indoors too long without enough to do. Mayb=
e you
> >>could think of a nice hobby ? ? ? ?
> >>R.James
> >
> >Dick,
> >
> >You know you're almost right. It's not the indoors or lack of hobbies=
. It
> >is employees that cause the cogs to slip.
> >
> >John...
> >____________________________________________________________
> >"The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination o=
f
> >each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bo=
und
> >to do his share in this defense are the constitutional right
>'=FDcure."
> > -- Albert Einstein
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:14:17 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitfalls
Frank,
My experience suggests that fringe has no bearing on how quickly leather drys.
Have you ever tried to cut a lot of fringe with a knife or period pair of
scissors?
Scissors were expensive, ask a blacksmith to make you a pair today.
John...
At 07:34 AM 2/1/01 -0600, you wrote:
> What I do know is that many early garments had fringe and that, in most
>cases, it was not just for decorative purposes.
How do you know this?
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin 1759
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:34:25 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: fringe
Angela may be correct. We see so many things that certain practices
become acceptable whether they are period or not. However, I do believe
that whether common or not fringe was used for practical reasons on many
garments for many centuries before the first trapper came along.
My capote does not have fringe simply because I do not care for it but
my Rev. riflemans frock does because it is appropriate and serves a purpose.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:35:31 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
D. Miles wrote " Take off the dress and lipstick."
Buck Conner responded "Arn't you at least going to wait for the second
date?"
Concho says to be nice and remember their are ladies on the list.
Well, as one of those ladies, Jin-o-ta-ka say to Concho, "Close mouth
whiteman! I want to watch weird one get undressed! Long winter. Need a good
laugh!"
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:28:43 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
>pipestone is most associated with Catlinite, which has
>unique properties and is only found in one place.
There are/were smaller catlinite mines in Wisconsin too.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:28:49 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Larry's shorthand !!
Larry !!
"Lets here it" is just shorthand for saying "PUT IT
HERE."
=====
George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com >
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:53:28 EST
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
Don't have the number handy, but if you'll check information for La Junta, Colorado, Bent's Old Fort, you'll get it.
Patrick Surrena
AMM #1449
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:40:15 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: MtMan-List: pitfalls
In a message dated 2/1/1 06:41:03 PM, farseer@swbell.net writes:
<<Speaking of capotes>>
Try Jim Hanson's "Sketchbooks" No. 1, No. 2, Longrifle, and Voyageur
editions all have clothing references. Jim had good references and has been
at this stuff for decades. He was raised right at the Museum of the Fur
Trade and has a doctorate in related fields. There are better artists, but
his drawings are fully workable. Lots of great stuff besides clothing, too.
You may find you want ALL the "Fur Press" publications.
RJames
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:38:14 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
Bent's phone number is: 719 383-5010. You can go to their
web site through my web pages (see the one on Colorado Fur
Trade sites) http://home.earthlink.net/~amm1616
mike.
Mtnman1449@aol.com wrote:
> Don't have the number handy, but if you'll check information for La Junta, Colorado, Bent's Old Fort, you'll get it.
> Patrick Surrena
> AMM #1449
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:52:56 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
In a message dated 2/1/1 10:30:48 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<<Magpie,
Your getting pretty familiar for a new AMM pilgrim. I though they was to be
seen fetching wood and not heard makin fun of their betters?! <G>
Capt. Lahti'>>
Roger - be nice to this guy. You never know who your next leader will be.
RJames
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:00:34 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
> Roger - be nice to this guy. You never know who your next leader will be.
> RJames
Richard,
Now that is a scary thought! In any case, I know things that don't
necessarily need to be brought out, depending..................<G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:18:10 -0800 (PST)
From: mitch post <hiparoo@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: pitfalls,fringed capotes,etc.
Angela is the first person I have heard suggest that
capote fringe is
not correct. Now she may be the only person on this
and other lists or at
scores of rendezvous over a period of decades who is
correct. Or for that
matter, many reference books, catalogs, patterns and
etc. That is possible.
But I do have doubts that that is the case.Frank G.
Fusco
Frank-will have to agree with Larry and Gene and
others on the fringed capotes. Lots of "stuff" is
accepted and supposedly "documented" at your average
drive and dump rendevous. Box-cut,fringed,outside
stitching,loom beadwork,fake embroidery on capotes is
just the "fringe"(bad pun)-capotes were generally
tailor made and sold/traded thru posts or trading
parties-probably not many "homemade". Do your research
in first person documents...Not what some guy who's
been doing this forever said. Catalogs,traders row,etc
is not "primary documentation". I build capotes and
try to stay with what is known-BUT, if a customer
wants a fancy incorrect capote...who am I to tuen sown
the $$? Just my input. Sincerely,Mitch Post Red DOg
Tradng Co./Hiparoo Hats Helena,Mt.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:48:56 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Smokin'
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Lahti wrote:
It's also fun and cool to take out a fire kit and strike a spark into a =
small piece of char to light your pipe.=20
It was a treat to watch Crazy light up while riding that young little =
stud last summer. Kept waiting for him to lose fire kit and seat both =
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the kit and was still mounted at the end of the ride.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:46:30 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe
Frank wrote:
Angela may be correct. We see so many things that certain practices
become acceptable whether they are period or not. However, I do believe
that whether common or not fringe was used for practical reasons on many
garments for many centuries before the first trapper came along.
My capote does not have fringe simply because I do not care for it but
my Rev. riflemans frock does because it is appropriate and serves a purpose.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
Frank,
I've seen lots of capotes with fringe being worn in the rain at
rendezvous, and I'm convinced the fringe on capotes is not that effective at
helping shed the water. Just seems to be the nature of the blanket
material.
I to wear a Rifleman's Frock made of heavy material and the fringe does a
very good job of helping to shed the water.
On buckskin clothing the fringe also helps shed the water, and it has
another benefit. A short row of cut fringe will prevent the edge of the
garment from getting stiff after repeatedly being worn in the rain. Even
braintan will develop a hard edge after a few times in the rain.
Pendleton
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:23:55 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Dave wrote:
Did a quick web search and found the following about L&C at Ft. Clasop.
http://www.nps.gov/focl//adhi2f.htm
Dave
Ok Dave, he probably had a 'poke of salt', but he didn't get it at
rendezvous.
Pendleton
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