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hist_text-digest      Thursday, February 1 2001      Volume 01 : Number 729



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: nonsense and etc.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bladders
-áááááá MtMan-List: Program of interest on A&E Cable Channel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá MtMan-List: french bodice,ect.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá MtMan-List: (no subject)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:18:29 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods

At 07:21 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>John - you've been stuck indoors too long without enough to do.  Maybe y=
ou
>could think of a nice hobby ? ? ? ?
>R.James

Dick,

You know you're almost right.  It's not the indoors or lack of hobbies.  =
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is employees that cause the cogs to slip.

John...
____________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:24:50 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: nonsense and etc.

I said and meant Hmm, also spelled H'm.

As in contemplatively?

My mistake. <G>

Rog'

P.S. I think we all need to get outside and smell some wood smoke!





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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:03:52 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

CAPT,

Mistook your shirt for a dress? Probably their last mistake eh?

"Teton" Todd D. Glover

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:09:04 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

Teton,

Yup! Bodies laying all over. <G>

Capt. Lahti'


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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey


> CAPT,
>
> Mistook your shirt for a dress? Probably their last mistake eh?
>
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:50:57 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply

Larry,

Great list, THANKS!  Anyone else have additions or different ideas?  I/we'd
love to hear them.

YMOS,

Allen

At 05:25 PM 01/31/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Allen,
>  Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this:
>Rifle or Smoothbore  (depending on preference)
>Pair of Pistols large bore  (to settle disputes of the final kind)
>Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements Including
>several tow worms
>Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of powder)
>3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching
>20 LB. gun powder
>40 LB. Galena
>4 doz.. English Gun Flints
>Fire Steel
>Tobacco ( not sure how much ?)
>2 or 3 clay pipes
>Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair)
>Large Knife possibly a butcher knife
>Trappers Axe or Half Axe  (for used in actual trapping)
>Full sized Axe  (for use in building shelters etc..)
>8 Beaver Traps  (6 to 8 was typical)
>2 or 3 Files  (for sharpening cutting tools)
>2 or 3 Awls
>Sewing Needles
>Linen Thread
>Kettle of some kind (tin or brass)
>1 or more Tin Cups
>2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches  (tired of wearin them
>buckskins)
>Maybe a new Felt Hat
>He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from
>rendezvous.  Most of it was consumed there.
>Trade Items  (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.)
>Beads
>Bells
>Tomahawks
>Ribbon
>As many butcher knives as he could afford.  As many as a doz.. maybe.
>Fire Steels (several)
>Various other GeeGaws
>
>Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items were
>typical.
>Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same stuff except
>less powder and lead, and probably more food items.
>If anyone has any additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in and
>let's here it.
>
>Pendleton
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:44:46 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bladders

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tobac bag I was wondering how many of y'all use what I use for bags. =
Bladders. I have deer & beef, barktanned, broken & oiled. Works prime =
and my tobacco bag has lasted me several Winters (and that is saying =
some). Untanned, they can be used as water containers & are good for =
pemmican & such.. Any thoughts?
Waste nothing
D



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:50:24 EST
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Subject: MtMan-List: Program of interest on A&E Cable Channel

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:50:41 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

>
"Mistook your shirt for a dress? Probably their last mistake eh?"

T'was the lipstick and high heels that threw 'em...........<G>
D




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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:43:23 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)

Capt. Lahti' <[e-mail]> wrote:

 >>And as Ole points out there are historical examples of iron caugldrins and
some sort of dutch oven though it may not have looked like Lodge makes them
now. <<

Yes, and I have previously cited evidence of cast iron fragments excavated
from Canadian fur forts. I think my personal problem with cast iron stuff,
like my cauldron, is that 1) it weighs a ton, and so it drives me crazy; 2)
there's *lots* more evidence for tin/brass/copper pots than there is for
cast iron, so I feel that it was fairly rare. I think, though, that it's
fair to say that cast iron cookware should be struck off this list, which
is meant to be of stuff that is completely undocumented for the 1800-1850
period.

 >>Let me add to the list of other don'ts one might not waste there money on.
Bead work, especially the loomed styles.<<

If I recall correctly, the embroidered style of beadwork is documented (but
be careful about the size & colour of your beads!). The problem with
beadwork, though, is the same as the problem with printed fabrics: making
sure that the style is historically correct. For the newby, it's probably
safer to avoid it until you're more experienced and/or have done lots of
research (i.e. months of research, not days or even weeks). That way, you
won't find you've spent hours on beadwork that you later feel obliged to
keep in a drawer. Or remove it from your clothes or other stuff. (Yes, that
would be me again, on both counts.)

 >>Animal tails pelts and etc. hanging all over. <<
I agree with the sentiment, but there are a few shreds of documentation out
there that would support a *sparing* use of furry stuff, and even the
occasional furry hat. I can elaborate, if you want.

 >>Fringe on a capote.<<
Agreed. But it's easy to remove the fringe from an existing capote--my
husband did that a couple of years ago.

 >> Or crushed velvet skirts and vests?<<
*Shudder*. But, gut reaction aside, I'm not enough of a textile expert to
know whether or not crushed velvet was made before 1850.   I rather doubt,
though, that the style of these skirts and vests is like the styles of the
1800-1850 period.

 >>How about pioneer dresses?<<
I think we'd do well to advise our fictional newby to read Beth Gilgun,
Sharon Ann Burnston, et. al. before he or she buys or makes any clothing.

 >>Fancy plywood or plank fold down/out cook boxes like might fit nicely on a
Texas dude roundup but not at Rendezvous if authenticity is important.<<
We've had good success storing stuff in reproductions of cassettes (small
wooden trunks) and even  the wooden crates made to store four Northwest
trade guns during shipment.

 >>Iron fire grates and grills.<<
Not totally undocumented (they were used back east during the RevWar,
according to Neumann & Kravic), but I haven't seen anything to suggest they
were used in the fur trade. I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to get
them. I'll add iron trivets to this list. I have a beautiful iron trivet I
have never used-- while I waited several months for the blacksmith to
finish it, I did more research .

Dave Kanger <[e-mail]> wrote:

 >>Clay, soapstone, or brass pipes, yes.
Pipestone, I think would be very rare and I believe that it is also something
whose usage came along much later and I would class it along with loomed
beadwork.  It would be one of those things that existed, but was not common,
so to place it in common usage would be incorrect.<<

Sorry, I should have realized readers would immediately think "Catlinite"
when I wrote "pipestone". I don't know about Catlinite, because, as far as
I know, it's not found in Canada. However, excavations of several Canadian
fur posts have led some archeologists to suspect that there was a cottage
industry of voyageurs (or maybe their wives! ;-) making stone pipes of a
particular style, known rather misleadingly as Micmac. I'll dig out the
details if you like. (One of these posts was in the heart of the Canadian
Rockies, BTW).

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:56:47 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

Mistook your shirt for a dress? Probably their last mistake eh?"

T'was the lipstick and high heels that threw 'em...........<G>
D

Hey as long as the Capt. is comfortable with it . . . . . .   <VBHG>

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:00:16 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

" Hey as long as the Capt. is comfortable with it"

Damned liberal pinko left winged Texian...<G>
D





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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:01:53 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods

John,
You are not realy an employer, your a "priest, councilor,mother, banker,
baby sitter and nurse".
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods
>Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2001, 6:18 PM
>

>At 07:21 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>John - you've been stuck indoors too long without enough to do.  Maybe yo=
u
>>could think of a nice hobby ? ? ? ?
>>R.James
>
>Dick,
>
>You know you're almost right.  It's not the indoors or lack of hobbies.  I=
t
>is employees that cause the cogs to slip.
>
>John...
>____________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:08:47 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply

Allen,

Larry's list was good, especially butcher knives in abundance for trading
and camp use.
I'd add:

Screws
Nails
Clinching hammer
Scissors
Rope
Brass wire
Vermilion
Sugar
and maybe a pair o' them Green Goggles for when the snow gets so bright!

I have a nice old pair of glasses, originals. Can you use em in the
display?

"Teton" Todd D. Glover

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:11:20 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply

" and maybe a pair o' them Green Goggles for when the snow gets so bright!"

Rawhide with a couple of slits in it works as well, just tie it on around
your eyes with a whang..
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:12:38 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)

Angela,
The drawings by Miller are from the late 1830s and the ones from Catlin are
from 1832, cast Iron was here even if it doesn't make good sence.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)
>Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2001, 7:43 PM
>

>Capt. Lahti' <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>And as Ole points out there are historical examples of iron caugldrins and
>some sort of dutch oven though it may not have looked like Lodge makes them
>now. <<
>
>Yes, and I have previously cited evidence of cast iron fragments excavated
>from Canadian fur forts. I think my personal problem with cast iron stuff,
>like my cauldron, is that 1) it weighs a ton, and so it drives me crazy; 2)
>there's *lots* more evidence for tin/brass/copper pots than there is for
>cast iron, so I feel that it was fairly rare. I think, though, that it's
>fair to say that cast iron cookware should be struck off this list, which
>is meant to be of stuff that is completely undocumented for the 1800-1850
>period.
>
> >>Let me add to the list of other don'ts one might not waste there money on.
>Bead work, especially the loomed styles.<<
>
>If I recall correctly, the embroidered style of beadwork is documented (but
>be careful about the size & colour of your beads!). The problem with
>beadwork, though, is the same as the problem with printed fabrics: making
>sure that the style is historically correct. For the newby, it's probably
>safer to avoid it until you're more experienced and/or have done lots of
>research (i.e. months of research, not days or even weeks). That way, you
>won't find you've spent hours on beadwork that you later feel obliged to
>keep in a drawer. Or remove it from your clothes or other stuff. (Yes, that
>would be me again, on both counts.)
>
> >>Animal tails pelts and etc. hanging all over. <<
>I agree with the sentiment, but there are a few shreds of documentation out
>there that would support a *sparing* use of furry stuff, and even the
>occasional furry hat. I can elaborate, if you want.
>
> >>Fringe on a capote.<<
>Agreed. But it's easy to remove the fringe from an existing capote--my
>husband did that a couple of years ago.
>
> >> Or crushed velvet skirts and vests?<<
>*Shudder*. But, gut reaction aside, I'm not enough of a textile expert to
>know whether or not crushed velvet was made before 1850.   I rather doubt,
>though, that the style of these skirts and vests is like the styles of the
>1800-1850 period.
>
> >>How about pioneer dresses?<<
>I think we'd do well to advise our fictional newby to read Beth Gilgun,
>Sharon Ann Burnston, et. al. before he or she buys or makes any clothing.
>
> >>Fancy plywood or plank fold down/out cook boxes like might fit nicely on a
>Texas dude roundup but not at Rendezvous if authenticity is important.<<
>We've had good success storing stuff in reproductions of cassettes (small
>wooden trunks) and even  the wooden crates made to store four Northwest
>trade guns during shipment.
>
> >>Iron fire grates and grills.<<
>Not totally undocumented (they were used back east during the RevWar,
>according to Neumann & Kravic), but I haven't seen anything to suggest they
>were used in the fur trade. I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to get
>them. I'll add iron trivets to this list. I have a beautiful iron trivet I
>have never used-- while I waited several months for the blacksmith to
>finish it, I did more research .
>
>Dave Kanger <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>Clay, soapstone, or brass pipes, yes.
>Pipestone, I think would be very rare and I believe that it is also something
>whose usage came along much later and I would class it along with loomed
>beadwork.  It would be one of those things that existed, but was not common,
>so to place it in common usage would be incorrect.<<
>
>Sorry, I should have realized readers would immediately think "Catlinite"
>when I wrote "pipestone". I don't know about Catlinite, because, as far as
>I know, it's not found in Canada. However, excavations of several Canadian
>fur posts have led some archeologists to suspect that there was a cottage
>industry of voyageurs (or maybe their wives! ;-) making stone pipes of a
>particular style, known rather misleadingly as Micmac. I'll dig out the
>details if you like. (One of these posts was in the heart of the Canadian
>Rockies, BTW).
>
>Your very humble & most obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:17:55 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

larry pendleton wrote:

> T'was the lipstick and high heels that threw 'em...........<G>

Now that's a thought...... that no man should have to envision just before
going to bed....

No sleep for me tonight....

Shudder...

Lee Newbill from Idaho


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:18:57 -0700
From: "Terrance Luff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: french bodice,ect.

  on the metis lady dress.   from the fur trade on the plains of the metis i
think mr. hanson has said alot and shown alot in his note book of sketchs.
the canadian dress was worn by alot of company men ladys.made with dark
coth.as shown by rindisbacher's drawings allways with leggings and mocs.
allso donot forget  the saulteaux strap dress which was worn alot by the
women on the montana plains. But always with leggings and mocs.
this is of the buffalo metis and cart birgads.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:33:28 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply

Larry,

Don't forget the salt. <G>

Tom

larry pendleton wrote:
>
> Allen,
>   Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this:
> Rifle or Smoothbore  (depending on preference)
> Pair of Pistols large bore  (to settle disputes of the final kind)
> Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements Including
> several tow worms
> Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of powder)
> 3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching
> 20 LB. gun powder
> 40 LB. Galena
> 4 doz.. English Gun Flints
> Fire Steel
> Tobacco ( not sure how much ?)
> 2 or 3 clay pipes
> Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair)
> Large Knife possibly a butcher knife
> Trappers Axe or Half Axe  (for used in actual trapping)
> Full sized Axe  (for use in building shelters etc..)
> 8 Beaver Traps  (6 to 8 was typical)
> 2 or 3 Files  (for sharpening cutting tools)
> 2 or 3 Awls
> Sewing Needles
> Linen Thread
> Kettle of some kind (tin or brass)
> 1 or more Tin Cups
> 2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches  (tired of wearin them
> buckskins)
> Maybe a new Felt Hat
> He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from
> rendezvous.  Most of it was consumed there.
> Trade Items  (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.)
> Beads
> Bells
> Tomahawks
> Ribbon
> As many butcher knives as he could afford.  As many as a doz.. maybe.
> Fire Steels (several)
> Various other GeeGaws
>
> Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items were
> typical.
> Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same stuff except
> less powder and lead, and probably more food items.
> If anyone has any additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in and
> let's here it.
>
> Pendleton
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:44:06 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts

SO!!  That strange green apparition wasn't a liquor-induced illusion
after all!!

Linda Holley wrote:
>
> Gee, good thing you guys were not at the Alafia Rendezvous.


..... and those instant emergency green lights that you shake.
> Those I threw in the hooters to see the reactions of the other night time
> depositors when the green glow came through.....
>
> Linda Holley.....Oh lord I am heartily sorry for ......Oh lord I am heartily
> sorry for.......etc.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:13:07 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

Roger Lahti wrote:

> When it rains it pours! In this issue of T&LR on page 22 at the top left,
> our own Buck Conner makes reference to, "Do you remember when a midsummer
> snow storm was referred to as being 'so cold it froze the ears off a brass
> monkey', .........."
>
> Now we have two versions. I think the Navy phraseology more colorful and
> descriptive of the state of the weather but perhaps Buck will tell us where
> he ran across "monkey ears"? <G>

Good evening Capt.,

The term "monkey ears" came from our own Benny Franklin when referring to how
the troops where doing at Valley Forge and Paoli.

Buck.





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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:12:10 -0800 (PST)
From: dave tonneman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting

As a side note: When I was in Gunners Mate class A school in the mid
eighties one of our civilian instructors(who was retired navy) was telling
us stories about the origins of naval sayings and the brass monkey's balls
was one of his tales.
 Not documentation...but proof of the widespread rumor of ...
Dave Tonneman.





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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:20:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby pitfalls (was: French bodice & other don'ts)

> Sorry, I should have realized readers would immediately think "Catlinite"
>  when I wrote "pipestone". I don't know about Catlinite, because, as far as
>  I know, it's not found in Canada.

Angella,
That's what I immediately thought of and referred to.  In the common
vernacular of today, pipestone is most associated with Catlinite, which has
unique properties and is only found in one place.  It is today, and I think
always has been, controlled by the Indians who live there.  Pipestone is
really something totally different and is described by most references as, "a
red, indurated (hardened) clay used by Native Americans to make tobacco
pipes."

> However, excavations of several Canadian
>  fur posts have led some archeologists to suspect that there was a cottage
>  industry of voyageurs (or maybe their wives! ;-) making stone pipes of a
>  particular style, known rather misleadingly as Micmac.

I believe Micmac pipes were made from soapstone, which is a variety of talc
known as steatite (fat rock) because its greasy feel was associated with
tallow.  It is called soapstone for the same reason, because it feels like a
bar of soap (made from tallow).
Steatite occurs in many colors ranging from white through green.  Catlinite
is also a variety of talc, but unique in its rose coloring.  All can be heat
treated to harden them, but they can be worked with a knife or file while
soft.  Bullet molds were also commonly made from soapstone.

I didn't think you had anything beside granite in Canada.  <G>  Ever seen a
granite pipe?

Dave Kanger

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:30:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts

> Larry - I'm lost on this one.   Who is he after, you or me??

Mr. James,
My postings where in reference to your remarks.
As I said in my last posting, my statements would probably go over your head.
You have just confirmed that they did.
No sense beating a dead horse.
Nuff said on the subject.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:12:25 EST
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:16:30 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey

I ain't asleep yet either. If I don't sleep, none of you sleep. I'm coming
for you............................

Capt. L

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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey


> larry pendleton wrote:
>
> > T'was the lipstick and high heels that threw 'em...........<G>
>
> Now that's a thought...... that no man should have to envision just before
> going to bed....
>
> No sleep for me tonight....
>
> Shudder...
>
> Lee Newbill from Idaho
>
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