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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #728 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 728 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's?? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá MtMan-List: Brass Monkey -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels -áááááá MtMan-List: Great NWC resource now available online -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:25:56 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" <stitchin@iowasocean.com> To: <Undisclosed.Recipients@mail.iowasocean.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting A friend sent this one, might be something for the naval people to respond to for a humerous change of pace...... Stitchin', John Kramer offered the same "story" a few weeks back with the same request. I have contacted the USS Constitution staff to see if they have any info on this and to date what they have on "brass monkeys" or "monkeys" as a term in naval circles has nothing to do with cannon balls. I'm still waiting for more info. What I have found over many years of association with the Navy is that many of our colorful experessions do come from the Sea in one way or another. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:43:15 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's?? Haven't been following this thread, but Bent's Fort sells period correct cloth suspenders which I've worn for years. Might give them a call in the gift shop, last time I was there they still carried them. Patrick Surrena AMM #1449 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:29:51 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts good list angelia---shows you have been there--- nuff said--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:10:10 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/30/1 04:53:22 PM, ThisOldFox@aol.com writes: << Beats me! I don't even know you. In your blanket condemnation of assigning characteristics to a particular group of people, you, in fact, become just as hypocritical as those whom you condemn. Course that's probably too far over yer head to understand the fine points of it all. >> Back to you, Bunkie. You don't know me, either, and further - you are the only one that has made any statements of condemnation of character. Based on ??? My statement was that a comment by another writer made me smile. RJ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:27:37 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels In a message dated 1/30/1 05:15:50 PM, conner1@qwest.net writes: <<Jed Smith had a like experience with the Indians in the 4 corners area and a few others ran into the salt makers at Lickin' Creek in VA. John Clymer did a great painting of the "Salt Makers" with their boiling kettles, stone walls to block the wind and help keep the fire hot and the ocean>> Buck - I guess "salt seeking" has been going on as long as this continent has had people. As you pointed out, John did a great shot on the painting of salt harvest. There was a (mostly picture) book printed in the 1950s called "Two Captains" or "Captains West" or some such, with a photo of the rocks on the beach still there from that ocean boiling session. And now moving on to Jed Smith . . . he was a bit west of four corners when he passed by the "Valley of Fire" in Nevada and visited one of several caves outside of (what was to become) St. John and Overton Nevada. The resident currator at the Overton museum has a map of his journey showing another nearby cave where they harvested salt. In the early 70s they had a display in the museum of a huge piece of salt that was in the process of harvesting by archaeic or Anasazi. The salt was laid down like a big ice sheet and the Indians would harvest it with a stone axe. The process was to chip a trench as big as a platter around the piece to be harvested. When experience told them the trench was deep enough, they would hit into it with a glancing blow and the salt disk would pop out looking much like a big, unpolished lens. I asked (curator) Pal Olson in the early 90s where the salt display was and she said she had never seen it. The Overton museum is an extention of the Museum of the Southwest Indian in eastern L.A.. I find in talking to their curators that there are a lot of things "unknown" about their inventory and their once great publications series. Dick James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:31:32 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters In a message dated 1/30/1 06:11:57 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: <<Perhaps he really meant to say "HURMPH!" Just as brief but whole different meaning. <G> Capt. Lahti' >> Whatever you say - O.K. . I'll take you at your word. I'm not multi-lingual like you and John. RJ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:33:16 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/30/1 06:55:53 PM, yrrw@airmail.net writes: <<DAMN ! Here we go again ! Pendleton >> Larry - I'm lost on this one. Who is he after, you or me?? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:43:10 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/31/1 06:40:34 AM, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes: <<Boy, I sure wish somebody had told me about the bodices and the tripod when I was first starting; I've got four bodices in my closet, and an iron tripod >> Boy! Sure glad this message was signed by a lady. The way it started out - after reading so many messages from men - really had me on edge. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:48:59 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" <EthanSudman@home.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert Yes, I was able to confirm this one... I found that several other friends of mine in a computer discussion list were having problems with this one too... if you get an e-mail like this just delete it... Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanney Ratcliff <amm1585@hyperusa.com> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert > At the risk of distracting attention from the ongoing pissing match (and it > is a good one, too) I want to alert you to an email that I got twice today. > The sender is "HaHaHa", who is totally unknown to me, and is supposedly a > bawdy tale about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.....with an attachment. It > looks suspicious to me and I deleted it and added it to my "blocked sender" > list (click on "message" in you OE toolbar and look at the list of options). > My virus scan did not detect a virus or worm but I choose to be careful. > Remember the kak worm from last year? > YMOS > Lanney Ratcliff > ps: I own a short starter or two but I haven't used one in > years.....especially with the ounce of No.4's I pour down my smoothbore. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:48:30 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/31/1 07:31:44 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: <<Angela, Wood Tripods? how about a stick? naa eat bug's then you need nothing. not to bring up an old argument, there are still cast iron cauldrons shown in millers drawings and the Archiological find of a Dutch oven at bent's fort?. We have been back packing for too long. YMOS Ole # 718 >> Remember the John Clymer painting where the trappers in a lean-to are using an elk antler for a pot hook? I asked him about it - was it artistic license? - and this was his reply: John's wife did much of his research for him. He told me - and I forgot - the exact reference she had for that one but in John's estimation it was pure stuff. I wasn't about to argue with him then and couldn't now. His wife is still alive, though, if someone is obsessed to know the answer RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:53:12 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting In a message dated 1/31/1 09:15:07 AM, stitchin@iowasocean.com writes: << If the temperature got >cold enough, the bottom layer would pop out of the indentations spilling the >entire pyramid over the deck. > >Thus it was, quite literally, =93cold enough to freeze the balls off a bras= s >monkey.=94 >> Great! I really bit into that one. I'd say it made me laugh, but yesterday= =20 I made that statement about someone else's message and there is a guy still= =20 writing angry messages to me. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:37:34 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Gottfred" <agottfre@telusplanet.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts > So far, this is our short list of "don'ts" for the inquiring newby, along > with suggested alternates: > > French/English Bodices (use shortgown or gown instead) Angela, I'll let you speak to the ladies day wear. <G> It's nice to have a list like this if someone wants to steer clear of some "pitfalls" that they may come to regret later if they change their minds about how involved they want to be. Remember no body is telling anyone they have to do all this. These are just some things that many of us have come to realize really aren't correct for the place or period circa 1800's Rendezvous. Some of this stuff is fine for a back east Fort event (one needs to double check. > Iron tripods for cooking (use wooden tripod instead) Or don't use anything. It is possible to cook right on the fire or push up some rocks or wet logs to set pots on or as Ole points out cook your meat on a stick. Less stuff to buy and pack along is one way to look at it. > Cigarettes (use clay pipes or pipestone pipes instead) No body says you can't crumple up your cigarettes into a bag and use the much milder cig tobacco in a pipe. It's also fun and cool to take out a fire kit and strike a spark into a small piece of char to light your pipe. Really impress's the new folks and the old folks too! Or just bend down to someones fire and borrow a flame on a sliver of wood. Immerse yourself in the times! > Cast iron cookware & speckle/granitewear cookware (is the correct stuff > (brass, copper, tin) too expensive for a beginner?) Brass and copper pots can be expensive but copper "canisters" found at yard sales sure make authentic looking cooking pots with a bit of clever wire bending and imagination. Remove the labels. Plug the holes with copper or steel rivets made from furniture tacks. Cut out a fixture to rivet to the sides so you can hang the bail made out of heavy wire. Get rid of the brass ball on top if you want and replace it with a wire ring. Tin ware is not all that expensive though. It just takes more care in keeping it usable. And as Ole points out there are historical examples of iron caugldrins and some sort of dutch oven though it may not have looked like Lodge makes them now. Sheet iron "cool hand" frying pans with the handle cut off and a socket for a stick riveted on instead or just a ring on each side of the rim replicate the originals. Wooden individual salad bowls and mixing bowls along with carved wood spoons etc. Work in a big camp setting. > 2-piece slide-together 'rendezvous seats' (use kegs, trunks, Plains > Indian-style willow backrests instead, or sit on an old folded blanket--any > other suggestions?) Let me add to the list of other don'ts one might not waste there money on. Bead work, especially the loomed styles. Animal tails pelts and etc. hanging all over. Fringe on a capote. What about flowery prints in shirts and dress's? Or crushed velvet skirts and vests? How about pioneer dress's? Fancy plywood or plank fold down/out cook boxes like might fit nicely on a Texas dude roundup but not at Rendezvous if authenticity is important. Iron fire grates and grills. > > Boy, I sure wish somebody had told me about the bodices and the tripod when > I was first starting; Is that all you have you wish you'd known about earlier? > Any other suggestions about pitfalls the serious newby should avoid? I'm still thinking about all the stuff I have in the garage so I may have some other items later. <G> YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:01:19 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts > > Cigarettes (use clay pipes or pipestone pipes instead) > No body says you can't crumple up your cigarettes into a bag and use the > much milder cig tobacco in a pipe. Capt, Let me go out on a limb here. Clay, soapstone, or brass pipes, yes. Pipestone, I think would be very rare and I believe that it is also something whose usage came along much later and I would class it along with loomed beadwork. It would be one of those things that existed, but was not common, so to place it in common usage would be incorrect. As far as cigarettes go, rolled tobacco can be dated back to the Mayans. The Spanish also enjoyed rolled tobacco smokes, and any Santa Fe influenced person who made his way into the fur trade would be perfectly proper smoking "cigarillos." The word "cigarette" itself comes from the French. Cigarette smoking can be traced to the early 1800's. Early paper cigarette usage can be traced to British soldiers who rolled tobacco in cartridge paper or paper cannon fuse during the wars in India. Let's not be too hasty in condemning cigarettes, unless they are machine rolled and have filters attached to them. Dave Kanger NOAH - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:23:35 -0600 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods Jeez, Who said a picture is worth a thousand words? Hmm Used typically to express thoughtful absorption, hesitation, doubt, or=20 perplexity. har=B7rumph 1. to clear the throat audibly in a self-important manner: 2. to express oneself gruffly. I said and meant Hmm, also spelled H'm. Now I say: Harrumph! John... At 02:31 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/30/1 06:11:57 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: > ><<Perhaps he really meant to say "HURMPH!" Just as brief but whole diffe= rent >meaning. <G> > >Capt. Lahti' > >> > >Whatever you say - O.K. . I'll take you at your word. I'm not multi-li= ngual >like you and John. >RJ Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:45:51 -0500 From: "Dennis Earp" <96mfg@hspower.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts It's not the hand rolled smokes that's a problem, Dave. It's those roach clips you're using. <g> Dennis > Let's not be too hasty in condemning cigarettes, > unless they are machine rolled and have filters attached to them. > > Dave Kanger > NOAH - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:54:21 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts - ----- Original Message ----- From: <ThisOldFox@aol.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts > > > > Cigarettes (use clay pipes or pipestone pipes instead) > > No body says you can't crumple up your cigarettes into a bag and use the > > much milder cig tobacco in a pipe. > > Capt, > Let me go out on a limb here. Clay, soapstone, or brass pipes, yes. Dave, Climb on out there my friend. Just remember that the first line of that "quote" above is not mine but someone else's offering. <G> Not to say I don't bare watching closely!. <G> I think your points about the history of "hand rolled" cigarettes and cigars etc. should be well taken. I certainly don't have a problem with them. I really don't personaly have a problem with any one smoking cigarettes if they will take care of the butts as I am sure you do. A guys pipe cud or spit from his chew might not be all that appetizing but it at least blends in quick with the forest duff and fire pit contents. Filters and white cig butts stand out like a sour thumb no matter where they end up. And that applies to a closed event or a public camp ground. Kinda like pull tabs? Same for my can of beer. I should pour it into my cup so no one else has to look at the can any longer than necessary if at all. It's kinda just a matter of common courtesy. I do wonder about your distinction between the other fellas/gals suggestion of pipestone vis soapstone. We may not be talking about the exact same material but any stone that can be worked into a pipe shape and be functional might be called pipe stone including soapstone and/or catlinite. So what's the difference between them? Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Fisher <difisher@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey Well, I found a naval museum site and sure enough there was such a thing as a brass monkey. Here is there definition and if you check out the site they have photos too. The internet version was close but not accurate in what the BM was used for. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/8453/cam.htm Dennis Much naval slang terminology has found it`s way into the English language. One that comes to mind is "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey." A brass monkey was a brass ring type holder thingy used to lift cannon balls. When cold, the brass would contract and the balls would not fit in it correctly. Today it is used to describe very cold weather. On this photograph a collection of brass monkeys can be seen on the right hand wall of this ammunition room at Whale Island, Portsmouth. Just look at the posters on the background wall. A similar scene would be found at Trevol at the time. Click here to se a few Brass Monkey`s as well as other items of interest. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:25:34 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Year's Supply Allen, Your Free Trapper's list would go something like this: Rifle or Smoothbore (depending on preference) Pair of Pistols large bore (to settle disputes of the final kind) Shot Pouch or Shooting Bag containing all necessary accoutrements Including several tow worms Powder Horn (Large enough to hold a pound of powder) 3 or 4 yards of cloth material for patching 20 LB. gun powder 40 LB. Galena 4 doz.. English Gun Flints Fire Steel Tobacco ( not sure how much ?) 2 or 3 clay pipes Pair of 3 point Blankets (maybe 2 pair) Large Knife possibly a butcher knife Trappers Axe or Half Axe (for used in actual trapping) Full sized Axe (for use in building shelters etc..) 8 Beaver Traps (6 to 8 was typical) 2 or 3 Files (for sharpening cutting tools) 2 or 3 Awls Sewing Needles Linen Thread Kettle of some kind (tin or brass) 1 or more Tin Cups 2 or 3 shirts and a couple pairs of pants or breeches (tired of wearin them buckskins) Maybe a new Felt Hat He might have some coffee, tea, dried fruit, or other foods left from rendezvous. Most of it was consumed there. Trade Items (It's easier to trade for beaver than trap'em.) Beads Bells Tomahawks Ribbon As many butcher knives as he could afford. As many as a doz.. maybe. Fire Steels (several) Various other GeeGaws Allen, I'm sure I have left something off the list, but these items were typical. Your Boys trapping around Ft. Hall would carry most of the same stuff except less powder and lead, and probably more food items. If anyone has any additions or disagree with some of this stuff, jump in and let's here it. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:33:28 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts Larry - I'm lost on this one. Who is he after, you or me?? Hell Dick, I dunno. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:19:03 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/31/1 03:02:19 PM, ThisOldFox@aol.com writes: <<Clay, soapstone, or brass pipes, yes. Pipestone . . .,>> Lance Grabowski once gave me some BLACK pipestone from back east - small, but a good size for the micmac-style pipe with a reed stem. They are correct back to colonal days and probably pre-contact days. It is a good style and far more practical than the long plains-style, unless there is a properly authorized ceremony at hand. R. James (wouldn't it be a good idea to move this discussion into a subject title other than "bodice"? I think we have quite talking about bodices quite a while back?) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:21:39 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters aka pistol ramrods In a message dated 1/31/1 03:25:47 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes: <<perplexity. har=B7rumph 1. to clear the throat audibly in a self-important manner: 2. to express oneself gruffly. I said and meant Hmm, also spelled H'm. Now I say: Harrumph! John... >> John - you've been stuck indoors too long without enough to do. Maybe you=20 could think of a nice hobby ? ? ? ?=20 R.James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:46:34 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts Gee, good thing you guys were not at the Alafia Rendezvous. I was really ashamed of myself with my camp. Lets see, Kerosene heater, iron camp set, ronco hand crank ice shaver and ronco hand blender for the Strawberry Margaritas I served, Dutch oven, English-French-Spanish bodice, metal spatula to go with the instant pan cakes, and those instant emergency green lights that you shake. Those I threw in the hooters to see the reactions of the other night time depositors when the green glow came through. OK>......I will do my Hail Mary's and Our Fathers later. I ask forgiveness for screwing up this last week. Hey, I had mental disturbances for being shut up in my house for over two years. I promise, next time, if they ever let me out of my cage again, to be primitive. That does mean stays and proper fires, drink only out of well used jugs, and freezing to death naturally. And I did get to see the Mouse House. Linda Holley.....Oh lord I am heartily sorry for ......Oh lord I am heartily sorry for.......etc. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:49:02 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels - --------------44B09DF18ABCAF54FA66CF7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I find in talking to their curators that there are a lot of things "unknown" > about their inventory and their once great publications series. > Dick James > Brother isn't that the truth, when Charley was still able to travel, I was lucky enough to do the driving and traveled to a few museums and watched Hanson tell them what they had in their back rooms, interesting how much he had stored in the gray matter. Thanks for setting me straight on Jed Smith. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------44B09DF18ABCAF54FA66CF7F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I find in talking to their curators that there are a lot of things "unknown" about their inventory and their once great publications series. Dick James <a href="http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html"></a> </blockquote> Brother isn't that the truth, when Charley was still able to travel, I was lucky enough to do the driving and traveled to a few museums and watched Hanson tell them what they had in their back rooms, interesting how much he had stored in the gray matter. Thanks for setting me straight on Jed Smith. Later, Buck Conner Research page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/">http://pages.about.com/conner1/</A> _______HRD__ Personal page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A> ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ </html> - --------------44B09DF18ABCAF54FA66CF7F-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:00:15 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels In a message dated 1/31/1 05:46:42 PM, conner1@qwest.net writes: <<Thanks for setting me straight on Jed Smith. >> Hey, Amigo - that wasn't to correct you. I don't know about his 4 corners visit but I remember the one down the Vigin River and on to California. Keep in mind, though, I was just litttle at the time. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:01:36 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Great NWC resource now available online One of the best, and least accessible, sources of primary information on the North West Company is the Masson Papers. The first published edition was heavily edited (I'm tempted to say "censored"!); other, better editions of individual documents have been published piecemeal. Now, a complete new edition is available for free online, from McGill University at: http://imago.library.mcgill.ca/nwc/ Each transcribed page is accompanied by a reproduction of the original page. Anyone interested in the North West Company should check this site out ASAP; it also has background information on the NWC. I'm going to buy several bricks of paper, & print it all out as soon as I can. Your excited servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:15:16 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey When it rains it pours! In this issue of T&LR on page 22 at the top left, our own Buck Conner makes reference to, "Do you remember when a midsummer snow storm was referred to as being 'so cold it froze the ears off a brass monkey', .........." Now we have two versions. I think the Navy phraseology more colorful and descriptive of the state of the weather but perhaps Buck will tell us where he ran across "monkey ears"? <G> Capt. Lahti' And a P.S. to the lovely Ms. Laura Jean....... The Capt. does not own and has never worn a kilt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <G> Certainly not at 8300 ft. elevation with a cold westerly blowing up his......Never mind. Perhaps you mistook my long linen shirt for a dress? Other friends have made the same mistake. <G> - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Fisher" <difisher@yahoo.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Brass Monkey > Well, I found a naval museum site and sure enough > there was such a thing as a brass monkey. Here is > there definition and if you check out the site they > have photos too. The internet version was close but > not accurate in what the BM was used for. > > http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/8453/cam.htm > > Dennis > > Much naval slang terminology has found it`s way into > the English language. One that comes to mind is "cold > enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey." A > brass monkey was a brass ring type holder thingy used > to lift cannon balls. When cold, the brass would > contract and the balls would not fit in it correctly. > Today it is used to describe very cold weather. On > this photograph a collection of brass monkeys can be > seen on the right hand wall of this ammunition room > at Whale Island, Portsmouth. Just look at the posters > on the background wall. A similar scene would be found > at Trevol at the time. Click here to se a few > Brass Monkey`s as well as other items of interest. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #728 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.