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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #727
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hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 727
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
-áááááá MtMan-List: antler buttons
-áááááá MtMan-List: Year's Supply
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: braces/suspenders
-áááááá MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá MtMan-List: antique preserval
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
-áááááá MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:35:36 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
> <<. . . . one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
> most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette.
>>
>
> Mr. Oaks. You got to me with that one. My reaction was a spontanious,
very
> audible laugh. You are a very perceptive fellow and I'm guessing you've
been
> to camp enough to recognize this is the pattern. Good Shot!
This is starting to push my buttons now. I SMOKE CIGARETTES !! Are you
grouping me with those who go around criticizing everyone elses camp? Who is
the bigot here? You guys are probably those do-gooders who walk up to
smokers and inform them that it is bad for their health. My response would
be, "So is giving unsolicited advice to strangers." The blade cuts both ways
when the blind man slashes into the air.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:46:11 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
In a message dated 1/30/1 01:54:19 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes:
HMMMM!!
John - you are a master at brevity!!
RJames
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:13:07 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
In a message dated 1/30/1 03:36:29 PM, ThisOldFox@aol.com writes:
<< I SMOKE CIGARETTES !! Are you
grouping me with those who go around criticizing everyone elses camp? >>
Beats me! I don't even know you. ARE you one that wanders the camps in dark
glasses, filter tips, slick-out buckskins with Hong Kong beadwork and Adidas
moccasins who gives out directions on correctness? If you are - so let it
be. If you are not - what's your problem?
R. James
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:15:26 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
Not often.
John...
At 05:46 PM 1/30/01 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/30/1 01:54:19 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes:
>
>HMMMM!!
>
>John - you are a master at brevity!!
>
>RJames
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin 1759
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:52:13 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
> Beats me! I don't even know you.
Exactly my point.............
> If you are not - what's your problem?
In your blanket condemnation of assigning characteristics to a particular
group of people, you, in fact, become just as hypocritical as those whom you
condemn.
Course that's probably too far over yer head to understand the fine points of
it all.
Dave Kanger
NOAH
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:18:27 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels
SWzypher@aol.com wrote:
> I remember reading it - now will someone else come along who remembers the
> reference: The scenario was one trapper telling the other (this is not a
> joke) about a common acquaintance that had turned Indian - married into the
> tribe and gone to live with them by their ways. The statement was mad that
> it wasn't such a bad life - the worst part of it was the first six months
> during which you had to get used to living without salt and without sugar.
> After that, things were O.K. . Sounds like they all maintained what supply
> they could for their own personal "needs".
> R. James
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Hey Dick,
Remember how Lewis & Clark at a camp near Fort Clatsop ran into a party of
local Indian making salt, Jim Bridger, Jed Smith had a like experience with the
Indians in the 4 corners area and a few others ran into the salt makers at
Lickin' Creek in VA.
John Clymer did a great painting of the "Salt Makers" with their boiling
kettles, stone walls to block the wind and help keep the fire hot and the ocean
beating to their backs while the local Indians watch the Corp of Discovery do
the work. This was on February 21, 1806 near Fort Clatsop, thought to be a
restocking effort until they reached their cache on the Missouri River.
So they didn't want to do without their salt.
Later,
Buck Conner
Research page:
http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__
Personal page:
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:20:54 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
Dennis Fisher wrote:
> The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting
> the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men. I
> think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what
> a very good set of reference books, get in touch with
> them up in Spokane. This is the same company that
> printed the original series.
>
> Dennis Fisher
>
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Dennis can you send me their address again off list, lost it. Thanks
Buck
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:26:42 EST
From: Traphand@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
Ok Doc, first you detatch the penis from the critter.
Then you throw it into a pot of boiling water. Let it
boil till or most of the meat is off the bone. Then
pour off the water, cool the bone till you can touch it,
then scrape off any remaining meat. Now you got yourself
a coonbone.
As far as turning it into an awl handle, its too dang small and
thin, unless they grow REALLY big raccoons in your parts! LOL
Most guys just use them for decorations on hats, necklaces,
shooting bags, etc. OR for teasing flatlanders, etc.
Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:33:31 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
> YOU BEING AS BUSY AS YOU ARE - HOW DO YOU FIND TIME FOR THIS TIME-WASTER
> DIALOGUE?
> R. James
Richard,
Never said I was busy. Just in trouble! Maybe its my busy fingers that lands
me there. <G>
Capt. L
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:13:15 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
> HMMMM!!
>
> John - you are a master at brevity!!
>
> RJames
Richard,
Perhaps he really meant to say "HURMPH!" Just as brief but whole different
meaning. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:52:31 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
As far as turning it into an awl handle, its too dang small and
thin, unless they grow REALLY big raccoons in your parts! LOL
Rick,
You ain't seen many TEXAS racoons have you ? <GG>
Pendleton
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:53:44 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
In your blanket condemnation of assigning characteristics to a particular
group of people, you, in fact, become just as hypocritical as those whom you
condemn.
Course that's probably too far over yer head to understand the fine points
of
it all.
Dave Kanger
DAMN ! Here we go again !
Pendleton
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:06:14 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
In a message dated 1/30/2001 8:56:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
yrrw@airmail.net writes:
<< As far as turning it into an awl handle, its too dang small and
thin, unless they grow REALLY big raccoons in your parts! LOL >>
Bear bones work better for that.
Greg
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:06:17 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
Barry,
You can get the first volume locally, call Donna at
Trails West in Louisville (303) 666-7107. She had
two or three when I talked to her last. If nothing else,
get on her mailing list. She specializes in old west books.
This is where I got mine at. And she is a nice lady with
a good selection of new and used history books..
mike.
Buck Conner wrote:
> Dennis Fisher wrote:
>
> > The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting
> > the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men. I
> > think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what
> > a very good set of reference books, get in touch with
> > them up in Spokane. This is the same company that
> > printed the original series.
> >
> > Dennis Fisher
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> Dennis can you send me their address again off list, lost it. Thanks
>
> Buck
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:42:45 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
" DAMN ! Here we go again !"
Woo Hoo!! FIGHT!!!<GG>
D
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:59:23 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:57:02 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
> " DAMN ! Here we go again !"
> Woo Hoo!! FIGHT!!!<GG>
Dennis,
We call it "bear baiting."
Just love pokin' pointy sticks at caged animals.
Dave Kanger
NOAH
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:04:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis Fisher <difisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
I had a number of requests for more information on
"The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West"
series of books that are being republished by Arthur
H. Clark Publishers. I thought these books were so
well known that they needed no comment but some of the
newer folks have not heard of them. They were
published back in the 60's or 70's and a used set will
set you back about $2000 or $3000 dollars. These
books are for the serious scholar of the fur trade and
contain about 300 biographies of individual mountain
men along with maps,portraits, illustrations,etc.
Each book runs about 400 pages. I double checked the
promo piece they send me and it says they are only
reprinting 500 sets. I also checked their web site
(ahclark.com) and this series has not been posted
there yet but here is the ordering information if you
want to beat the crowd. They run $55 per volume but
if you subscribe you get a 20% discount on the last
nine volumes.
Dennis Fisher
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Orders by e-mail/FAX/phone/mail
Feel free to order by E-mail, toll-free phone
(800-842-9286), FAX (509-928-4364), or mail to Arthur
H. Clark Co, P.O. Box 14707, Spokane, WA 99214-0707.
Please supply name, full address, phone number and
email address (if available) with order.
Orders from individuals must be prepaid except with
established account.
Mastercard and Visa accepted.
Washington residents include .081 sales tax.
Orders will be shipped via USPO 4th class book rate
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Charge is $4.00 for first book, $1.00 per additional.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:40:06 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: antler buttons
Hey listmates! although I DO NOT advocate the use of antler buttons. I
have found an 1847 painting by charles deas, called " river man" the subject
is smoking a clay pipe and wearing a knit wool hat and some sort of
homespun vest or waistcoat with what looks to be iregular cross sections of
deer antler with 4 thread holes sewn on in a cross pattern. I will send a
scan to anybody who would like to check it out.
PS, let me get my head down before galena flies
respectfully; Tom
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:38:46 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Year's Supply
Hello the List,
Looking for some ideas here. Imagine it is 1835 and you're an ordinary
trapper heading out of rendezvous for the trapping season. You've got your
riding horse and one or two pack animals. You're a free trapper, possibly
working with 1-3 partners.
What would you take with you, and in what amounts, and why on your choices.
Scenario 2. Same as above, but you're heading out from a fort (Fort Hall or
Fort Union) and plan to be out 3-4 months trapping.
Thanks ahead of time for your replies.
Allen
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:35:39 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
traphand
bet you remember sorepaw and his baby coon bone ear ring---saw him last
year and he still had it---he usto get a bunch of them and make ear rings
for sale to flatlanders and called them bone ivory---
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:43:22 -0800
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: braces/suspenders
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They existed on Civil War era braces and on civilian models before that. =
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Clothes1600-1900" by Norah Waugh but it isn't there. I'm still looking.
Larry Huber
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I got a question for the list;
how far back can ajustable tabs on braces be documented? that is =
something I have wondered. Thanks Tom
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:53:00 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
Ho the list
Northwest Traders makes the following claim, seeming to imply that elastic
suspenders were made early in the rdv period. Interested parties might
contact them for their documentation.
Lanney Ratcliff
Elastic Suspenders
Extra long, woven elastic, adjustable to fit all adult sizes, 1 ╜" wide.
Available in three colors: Red, Black, or Tan. Suspenders became very
popular in the 1820's. Woven elastic was mass produced in America in the
1820's and before that in Europe.
NORTHWEST TRADERS
5055 West Jackson Road
Enon, Ohio 45323-9725
Order Line: (800) 458-8227
Info/FAX: (937) 767-9244
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:28:54 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
So far, this is our short list of "don'ts" for the inquiring newby, along
with suggested alternates:
French/English Bodices (use shortgown or gown instead)
Iron tripods for cooking (use wooden tripod instead)
Cigarettes (use clay pipes or pipestone pipes instead)
Cast iron cookware & speckle/granitewear cookware (is the correct stuff
(brass, copper, tin) too expensive for a beginner?)
2-piece slide-together 'rendezvous seats' (use kegs, trunks, Plains
Indian-style willow backrests instead, or sit on an old folded blanket--any
other suggestions?)
Boy, I sure wish somebody had told me about the bodices and the tripod when
I was first starting; I've got four bodices in my closet, and an iron
tripod my husband forged for me himself at a workshop held at one of our
first rendezvous. The wooden tripod works just as well as the iron one, is
lighter, and doesn't rust. Likewise, the money I spent on a cast iron
cauldron a year later (correct, but rare) would have been much better spent
on tin or copper pots.
Any other suggestions about pitfalls the serious newby should avoid?
Your humble & obdient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:24:53 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: antique preserval
Ethan Sudman asked,
<Does anyone know where I can get information on the preserval of =
antiques? Also of interest would be how they value, date, etc. antiques.>
Ethan, there is a vast amount of information on that subject available.
Check out the antiques section of any large bookstore. Most of the better
books will have, not only value, but preservation tips in them.
The book 'Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American
Revolution' by George C. Neumann and Frank J. Kravic has a chapter devoted
to preservation. However, this chapter deals primarily with iron artifacts.
"Value" and price guide books are everywhere.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:26:55 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
Angela,
Wood Tripods? how about a stick? naa eat bug's then you need nothing. not to
bring up an old argument, there are still cast iron cauldrons shown in
millers drawings and the Archiological find of a Dutch oven at bent's fort?.
We have been back packing for too long.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
>Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2001, 9:28 PM
>
>So far, this is our short list of "don'ts" for the inquiring newby, along
>with suggested alternates:
>
>French/English Bodices (use shortgown or gown instead)
>Iron tripods for cooking (use wooden tripod instead)
>Cigarettes (use clay pipes or pipestone pipes instead)
>Cast iron cookware & speckle/granitewear cookware (is the correct stuff
>(brass, copper, tin) too expensive for a beginner?)
>2-piece slide-together 'rendezvous seats' (use kegs, trunks, Plains
>Indian-style willow backrests instead, or sit on an old folded blanket--any
>other suggestions?)
>
>Boy, I sure wish somebody had told me about the bodices and the tripod when
>I was first starting; I've got four bodices in my closet, and an iron
>tripod my husband forged for me himself at a workshop held at one of our
>first rendezvous. The wooden tripod works just as well as the iron one, is
>lighter, and doesn't rust. Likewise, the money I spent on a cast iron
>cauldron a year later (correct, but rare) would have been much better spent
>on tin or copper pots.
>
>Any other suggestions about pitfalls the serious newby should avoid?
>
>Your humble & obdient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:46:13 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
In a message dated 1/31/01 5:40:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
agottfre@telusplanet.net writes:
<< Any other suggestions about pitfalls the serious newby should avoid? >>
I'm thinking that chrome-tanned leather and wall tents would be right up
there... also Bic lighters in the hands of those that dangle filter-tipped
cigarettes while claiming (properly so) that they work on flint and steel
<LMAO> Barney
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:11:34 -0500
From: Jim Lockmiller <manbear@netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
He might try a Bear Baculum (Penis Bone). Seems to me they would be big
enough.
Just a thought
Manbear
Traphand@aol.com wrote:
>
> As far as turning it into an awl handle, its too dang small and
> thin, unless they grow REALLY big raccoons in your parts! LOL
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:07:43 -0800
From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" <stitchin@iowasocean.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: undocumented but interesting
A friend sent this one, might be something for the naval people to respon=
d
to for a humerous change of pace......
>Every sailing ship had to have a cannon for protection. Cannons of t=
he
times
>required round iron cannonballs. The master wanted to store the cannon
balls
>such that they could be of instant use when needed, yet not roll around =
the
>gun deck.
>
>The solution was to stack them up in a square-based pyramid next to the
>cannon. The top level of the stack had one ball, the next level down had
>four, the next had nine, the next had sixteen and so on. Four levels wou=
ld
>provide a stack of 30 cannonballs. The only real problem was how to keep
the
>bottom level from sliding out from under the weight of the higher levels.
>
>To do this, they devised a small brass plate ("brass monkey") with one
>rounded indentation for each cannonball in the bottom layer. Brass was u=
sed
>because the cannonballs wouldn't rust to the "brass monkey," but would r=
ust
>to an iron one.
>
>When temperature falls, brass contracts in size faster than iron. As it =
got
>cold on the gun decks; the indentations in the brass monkey would get
>smaller than the iron cannonballs they were holding. If the temperature =
got
>cold enough, the bottom layer would pop out of the indentations spilling
the
>entire pyramid over the deck.
>
>Thus it was, quite literally, =93cold enough to freeze the balls off a b=
rass
>monkey.=94
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:22:46 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:53:00 -0600 "Lanney Ratcliff"
<amm1585@hyperusa.com> writes:
> Ho the list
> Northwest Traders makes the following claim, seeming to imply that
> elastic
> suspenders were made early in the rdv period. Interested parties
> might
> contact them for their documentation.
> Lanney Ratcliff
Hello the list,
I found this web page several weeks ago
when I began researching the history of elastic.
Go to http://www.irrdb.org/history/history1.htm.
This web page is titled "History of Natural Rubber
From Early Days Until Vulcanization". Scroll
down to the paragraph with the heading
"Early Industrialist". There is a reference
regarding elastic braces-suspenders. Although
the sentence containing the statement about
elastic braces/suspenders doesn't give
an exact date, the context of the data infers that
a crude form of elastic braces/suspenders was being
produced before Frabronni, an Italian, discovered
petroleum, or naptha, was a solvent for rubber and
therefore could be used to rubberize textiles.
Fabronni made his discovery in 1779.
Victoria
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