> did you ever look at the medical side of salt---such as to gargle salt
> water for a sore throat---and i do rank salt as a pretty important thing
> in a shooting bag and if going out for a extended period feel it is real
> important---also if you get a bad cut salt will clean out the wound and
> even help the blood to clot......
Good point Hawk, "Potts" being a hunter of meat chances are in cold weather
he cut himself more than a few times in the length of time he ran his
business.
> believe you need to do some more thinking of the importance of a long
> hunter or a mountain man carrying salt---I bought a horn that was suposed
> to belong to d boon from the guy that owned the boon rifle many years ago
> I thought it was a priming horn for a long time until i pulled the plug
> and it wasnt black in it it was salt---so i guess all i can say is ????
> must have been important to them---
>
> Nuff said------
> YMHOSANT
> =+=
> "HAWK"
I have several small "priming" horns that I have gotten over the years, and
like you found out twenty years later that at one time they had salt not
powder in them.
Later,
Buck Conner
Research page:
http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__
Personal page:
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:20:00 EST
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor
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In a message dated 1/29/01 9:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
poorboy@ieway.com writes:
> Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
> it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on. When you can
> scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
> cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.
>
I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from
the sharpest razor. Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp
cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with. I'm no expert on
sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives. But
if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it
used to be part of the training to beome a barber.
Y.H.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR>poorboy@ieway.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
<BR>it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on. When you can
<BR>scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
<BR>cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from
<BR>the sharpest razor. Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp
<BR>cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with. I'm no expert on
<BR>sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives. But
<BR>if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it
<BR>used to be part of the training to beome a barber.
<BR>
<BR>Y.H.O.S.
<BR>
<BR>C.T. Oakes</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:30:01 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series
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Dennis,
Do you have a reprinted copy of the first volume? I
do and love it. I don't have to worry about using up and
tearing a nice old book, and the paper is good quality.
The book seller I use who specializes in old west has my
name down for the next volume.
mike.
my web apges
Dennis Fisher wrote:
> The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting
> the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men. I
> think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what
> a very good set of reference books, get in touch with
> them up in Spokane. This is the same company that
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:05:01 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: Powder
I can remember when I was a little girl in southern Ontario (40+ years back)
seeing a large number of small wooden barrels stacked in an old (1830's)
warehouse that had been abandoned. Each keg was about 8 to 10" in diameter
and about 16 or 18" high. They were all made in the same technique as the
old wooden barrels except the hoops were brass or copper instead of iron.
They had one "bung" in the top with a real honest-to-god cork stopper.
These barrels were empty when I saw them but I was told they were the way
"gunpowder" (black powder I presume) was shipped from the factory. You
fellows would know better what weight of powder that would have been. I
would guess 25 or 50 Lbs per keg. I can only guess at the vintage of the
kegs but I would say 1900. They were definitely well before WW1.
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:24:36 EST
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
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> I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not
>
Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. My
wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history
teacher at the local High School. We too try (like all of you to make our
personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by
preaching. This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants
if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the
next several generations. And we have found that if you get an individual
hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our
example. I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all
the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should
they look at for the growth of their experiance. My wife never starts out
with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet." Instead we show
them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules
(we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our
period) to make life more livable. I keep plans for the rope bed that we use
to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its
noisy pump. But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change.
When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with
what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in
full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all
obnoxious, load mouth, bores. I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at
my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the
1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen
or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey. I let he go on and on and on and then
smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to
die for my country in my everyday work shirt.
A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them
document the items they use for their personna. The great thing about this
group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better
examples for those that come after.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not
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<BR>
<BR>Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
<BR>most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. My
<BR>wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history
<BR>teacher at the local High School. We too try (like all of you to make our
<BR>personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by
<BR>preaching. This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants
<BR>if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the
<BR>next several generations. And we have found that if you get an individual
<BR>hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our
<BR>example. I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all
<BR>the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should
<BR>they look at for the growth of their experiance. My wife never starts out
<BR>with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet." Instead we show
<BR>them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules
<BR>(we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our
<BR>period) to make life more livable. I keep plans for the rope bed that we use
<BR>to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its
<BR>noisy pump. But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change.
<BR>When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with
<BR>what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in
<BR>full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all
<BR>obnoxious, load mouth, bores. I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at
<BR>my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the
<BR>1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen
<BR>or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey. I let he go on and on and on and then
<BR>smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to
<BR>die for my country in my everyday work shirt.
<BR>
<BR>A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them
<BR>document the items they use for their personna. The great thing about this
<BR>group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better
<BR>examples for those that come after.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.
<BR>
<BR>C.T. Oakes</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:29:12 EST
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor
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In a message dated 1/30/01 8:21:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, CTOAKES@aol.com
writes:
>
Opps make that BARBER
Y.M.O.S. (and poor speller)
C.T.Oakes
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<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">if you find an older barger working</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Opps make that BARBER
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S. (and poor speller)
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:27:12 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
"Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> wrote:
>>If the examples of women's clothing articles are not documented, what
is? ...
The examples you gave via website at JasTownsen seem to be in keeping with
what Beth and others show appropriate for the Coastal States and previously
Original Colonies. If that is not the
case then what did the ladies of various classes wear?<<
My Dear Captain Lahti,
I'm so glad you asked! First, the only time I've seen Beth Gilgun support
the UFB, was in her article in _Book of Buckskinning 1_, and I think we've
ALL learned a lot since 1981.
Some people look at the picture at the top right of p.45 in Beth's book
_Tidings of the 18th Century_ and see a French bodice. But read Beth's
caption! "The jumps are _not_ a short, waist-length garment. They have
skirts that come over the hips. It is generally accepted that these are an
undergarment, because they are not seen on women in paintings and
engravings." Beth is not alone in this; Sharon Ann Burston, author of
_Fitting & Proper : 18th Century Clothing from the Collection of the
Chester County Historical Society_ is a member of the 18th Century Woman
list, and she has repeatedly stated that she hasn't seen any documentation
for English-speaking ladies wearing the UFB.
If you want to know how to dress like an Eastern lady, *read* Tidings
(instead of just looking at the pictures ;-) . Instead of a bodice, wear a
shortgown; it's just as easy to sew, and much more accurate. (Townsend
sells them, too.) If you're interested in dressing like a frontier lady,
check out Beth's article "A Wardrobe for the Frontier Woman 1780-1840" in
_Book of Buckskinning 7_. And if you wish to dress like the Metis
(half-breed) wife, mother, or daughter of a fur trader, the best I can
suggest is to wear a shirt (NOT a shift), short gown, petticoat (i.e.
skirt), leggins, & moccasins.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:34:09 -0600
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
Lanney's answer was on point, but I want to tell a story on myself that
relates to Raccoon penis bones. When my son was 4 and I was trapping a 800
acre ranch North of Austin on a regular basis, I often took him with me to
check the traps. When I skinned out the first male Raccoon I trapped when
he was along I gave him the penis bone. Thereafter he bugged me for more (I
guess they gained him points at the kindergarten show and tell). On fine
Saturday morning I had 9 Raccoons, the best single day haul I ever had. He
sat watching me as I merrily skinned away. I was next to a huge maze of
briars and scratchy vines. As I finish with each Raccoon, I tossed the
skinned-out carcass deep into the thicket. After I finished and was
cleaning up, my son asked me why I had not given him any of the penis bones.
I spent the next 30 minutes crawling and fighting through the briars and
brambles searching out each and every carcass. Not a single one was a male
Raccoon. As they say in Southern Ohio, that "ain't" much of a story, but I
recall those hours with my son fondly, and still get a smile on my face as I
see my much younger self fighting through the brush in that vain search for
penis bones.
Regards to the list,
Pablo
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> In a message dated 1/29/01 7:28:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dullhawk@texomaonline.com writes:
>
> << I skin 'em and remove the penis bone >>
>
> I will go ahead and show my ignorance ("Ignorance can be educated;
stupididty
> is forever"). What is the reason for removing the penis bone? Does it
have a
> particular application? (And all of you amateur comedians, JUST LET THAT
ONE
> GO!!!<VBG>) The coon did get skinned and fleshed and is awaiting further
> processing in the freezer. The carcass was thrown in a gully in the field
> beside my home where the rest of nature can recycle it. I am leary of
doing
> anything with the skull because of any present rabies (which resides in
the
> brain and salivary glands). Thanks for the info.
>
> -C.Kent
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:03:55 -0600
From: "Richard J. Holliday, DVM" <rjhdvm@rconnect.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna
