Subject: Re: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert
In a message dated 1/28/2001 11:10:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
amm1585@hyperusa.com writes:
<< At the risk of distracting attention from the ongoing pissing match (and it
is a good one, too) I want to alert you to an email that I got twice today.
The sender is "HaHaHa", who is totally unknown to me, and is supposedly a
bawdy tale about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.....with an attachment. It
looks suspicious to me and I deleted it and added it to my "blocked sender"
list (click on "message" in you OE toolbar and look at the list of options).
My virus scan did not detect a virus or worm but I choose to be careful.
Remember the kak worm from last year?
YMOS >>
This is no hoax, it is a bad virus. It's been going around some of the
newsgroups. Some of those who opened it have "survived" but only after
extensive reformatting and loss of data. DO NOT OPEN ANYTHING with 7 dwarfs
etc in it. I think the latest Norton anti virus may be able to detect & fix
but why chance it?
Greg Sefton
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:58:36 EST
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
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> , tied a leather thong to the rod with
> about four half hitches and the other end to a handy sapling then pulled
> back on the gun and was able to get the ball right out without a great
> effort.
>
Great way to do this. When removing a stuck ball remember you should always
consider the gun loaded and not put you body directly in line of the barrel
that now has both a lead ball and a spear (red that ram rod). Guns can and
do go off when pulling stuck balls. If you can pour a lot of lube down the
barrel and into the nipple or touch hole to make sure the powder (there may
be a little even if you think you dry balled it) is not going to accidently
go off. Then pull the ball with your body (and everyone elses) out of the
line of fire.
Y.M.O.S.
C. T. Oakes
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<BR>about four half hitches and the other end to a handy sapling then pulled
<BR>back on the gun and was able to get the ball right out without a great
<BR>effort.
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<BR>Great way to do this. When removing a stuck ball remember you should always
<BR>consider the gun loaded and not put you body directly in line of the barrel
<BR>that now has both a lead ball and a spear (red that ram rod). Guns can and
<BR>do go off when pulling stuck balls. If you can pour a lot of lube down the
<BR>barrel and into the nipple or touch hole to make sure the powder (there may
<BR>be a little even if you think you dry balled it) is not going to accidently
<BR>go off. Then pull the ball with your body (and everyone elses) out of the
<BR>line of fire.
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<BR>Y.M.O.S.
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<BR>C. T. Oakes</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:17:00 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof
In a message dated 1/29/2001 12:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
leona3@favorites.com writes:
<< I went to my first doing over ten years ago. Big public event, lots of
fun. Decided to get into this some more. Then I read a little out of the
first Book of Buckskinning. After that I was ruined.
I used to pray (figuratively at least) I could find someone who took this
stuff seriously enough to read a first hand journal and actually try to apply
some of it. You want to tear my stuff apart and tell what I am doing wrong
have at it cause I could damn sure learn a few things from it. Wagh how would
it be to set around at night and pass a bit o rum and have men that dropped
names and quote Meek, Ferris and Russell. >>
Wynn,
Your point is an excellent one and your motives probably reflect the reasons
most of us got into this in the first place. Reasons of fascination with the
period and the people of this endeavor and the camaraderie that living out
these events (at least to some extent) can create. I started doing
blackpowder shooting about in the 60's and quickly got into the buckskining
thing. It was obvious we had a lot to learn back then and all devoted much
time to research and exchange of information to try to "educate" each other.
At some point there was a transformation in some circles from good natured
cameraderie, enjoyment, and information sharing to a sort of "pious policing"
of the equipment, clothing, shelters, food, camp parctices, and even the
vernacular of the participants in events. I have not personally had my
equipment criticized, but I often attended events as a blacksmith rather than
a trapper. I did see a number of people's gear belittled and even saw people
asked to leave who had been avid afficionados of the spirit of buckskinning.
I felt sorry for them and many actually left the pursuit because of it.
These people had, in many cases, greatly enhanced the enjoyment of these
events by their presence. A lot of the fun went out of it for me and others.
There were splinter groups who went off to hold their own camps and some
general dischord. Our numbers were pretty slim to start with and it was sad
to see it die off further; all because someone insisted a person had to have
a signed affidavit by ole Broken Hand that he skinned a beaver with this very
knife back in '28 before he could use it. A bit of an exageration, but it
(the requirement for documentation) got ridiculous.
I probably should have posted this background (earlier) for my personal
belief that we should be more tolerant of equipment and practices that were
probably present in the mountains due to their availability and utility in
the settlements. The ironic thing (to me) is that, in all probability, the
more lenient events (especially rendezvous) that allow any period dress and
equipment (whether it's actually written in someones diary or not) are
probably more historically correct than those highly restricted ones. It's
been stated here and I agree, that they are more fun and laid back.
It's understandable that some are so entrenched in their pursuit (some are
downright rabid enthusiasts) that they resist any change. They might even
hurl insults at the person suggesting that change. I'm certainly not
offended by them and will remain a rational proponent of tolerance and
enjoyment of the experience. I also respect the opinions of those who
persist in ridgid enforcement of documentation, whether I agree with them or
not.
"Life's too short to dance with ugly women" Read: "don't do anything you
really don't want to do" or "if it ain't fun, don't do it."
As someone said, quite astutely, "it's time to move on".
Greg Sefton,
"Never insult mules or cooks as they have no sense of humor"
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:34:44 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: the proof
Richard James said,
<This is a point of contention that goes back to the earliest times in
AMM. The pity of it is that we don't have an official, absolute definitive
statement or policy to put this thing to rest. We have lots of inferred
statements and interpretations. and nearly as many opinions as we have
members but someday we are going to have to have this settled from an
official level if we are ever to put the beast to rest.>
Sir, well said and worth repeating. I am acquainted with a very early
member who left over just such picayunish details.
As a non-member, I cannot comment on AMM operations. I would only hope
that all re-enactors of the pre-1840 era would respect that there are
numerous personas and lifestyles that can be correctly portrayed. Not just
the RMFT trapper.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:50:00 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: revolver grips
Pletch
Are you going to make your own [simulated] ivory grips or buy factory
made?
I have some imitation stag on a modern revolver that has been there
almost 30 years. In that time it has take a little 'aging'. Those were Jay
Scott grips.
Making your own is not an overwhelming task. Check the net for
suppliers of knife handle material, there are a lot of them. Bet you can
find just what you want. Even original mastodon tusk or real walrus tusk
ivory.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:29:40 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
In a message dated 1/29/2001 2:52:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tjewell@home.com writes:
<< The first time I went out shooting, after about my third shot I loaded
patched ball without any powder. I was using a tight patch/ball combo. and
didn't swab between shots so I had a really hard time getting the ball down
the bore. I pulled the threaded attachment along with the screw right of
the end of the ramrod trying to get the darned thing out. >>
Sometimes you can take out the nipple or clean out screw and get enough
powder into the plug behind the ball to shoot it out. Most of us have done
that at one time or another though most of us won't admit it. I sure won't.
Greg
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:50:25 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: revolver grips
In a message dated 1/29/2001 10:23:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frankf@centurytel.net writes:
<< Making your own is not an overwhelming task. Check the net for
suppliers of knife handle material, there are a lot of them. Bet you can
find just what you want. Even original mastodon tusk or real walrus tusk
ivory. >>
Ivory micarta is an excellent ivory replacement its a material made from
paper and phenolic resin. If you place it in the sun after all shaping
sanding and polishing, it will age nicely with a yellowish tinge. The knife
suppliers have it. I've also made a numeber of rev. grips from shed moose
antler.
Greg S.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:09:58 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: What is "authentic"
I'm just a novice to this business and the thread of "short starters" has
been going on too long. But I just got back to the computer and had to throw
in a could of things.
You can never provide a negative - it is an impossibility. If something
happened, you can prove it did. If something DIDN'T happen, you can't prove
it never happened, only that it was not documented. That's a simple rule of
pure logic!
With my 1890's Cheyenne tipi there are a number of different trips I make
and there are "different rules" depending on the trip.
For pure "recreational travel" anything goes. I take what makes life
comfortable.
If the set-up is at a museum or other "look but don't touch" events, a lot
of stuff gets left at home. If it can be documented thru at least two
sources that it was used and if it "looks authentic" from 10 feet away, it
can go. (I have a number of "reproduction" items made from modern material
that pass the visual test, but sometimes only from certain angles or from
certain minimum distances.)
When it gets down to "period authentic", the camp gets pretty bare. (Even
the tipi is stitched with nylon thread and if you get right up close, you
can see this.)
Even as a novice, I respect the rules of the event organizer. If I can't
meet the rules of authenticity to my own comfort, it is my choice not to
participate in that event and multi-source documentation is the only
possible qualification for the most strict events.
Just my penny's worth.
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:29:14 -0500
From: "Dennis Earp" <96mfg@hspower.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof
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Buck,
A couple of quick questions about the Potts rifle and bag. Was the =
collector Jim Davis from Claremore,
Okla? Are there any pictures or descriptions of the contents? Can you =
