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hist_text-digest       Monday, January 29 2001       Volume 01 : Number 723



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof
-áááááá MtMan-List: Short Starters - moving on
-áááááá MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson & BC
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls
-áááááá MtMan-List: salt barrels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:18:57 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

Allen wrote:
> What success has anyone had pulling balls that are extremely tight (read
that, "hammered in")?

Thompson/Center makes a device that blows the ball out with CO2 gas. It uses
the same cylinder as a BB gun. Not exactly period, but it works.

Possum



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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:47:32 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

Dave,

I was more interested in how to get them out with a ball puller.

Thanks,

Allen

>Once the tight balls are started, they are bore size and you can ram them
>home as easily as any other.  That's why target shooters use false muzzles to
>"start" their balls.
>
>Dave Kanger
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country


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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:48:36 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

At 08:00 PM 01/28/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Not trying to re-kindle the fire that just burned down......just curious
>
>>> Yeah you are.  <GG>
>
>Pendleton
>
Larry,

I'm hurt.......

Allen

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:49:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters

In a message dated 1/28/2001 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  Exception is only taken
 with a "gentleman" suggesting rather pointedly that "elitists" exist here
 for the soul purpose of telling others what they can and can't do. Nothing
 could be further from the truth. It is gratuitous "name calling" >>

You seem to be reading something into my post which wasn't there.  What I
said was the criticism of a person who might be inclined to use items or
practices that were in use during the period farther east is elitist and
arrogance.  No one was called a name; least of all anyone on this list.  At
least I accept and listen to your opinions and your basis for them rather
than make stupid statements such as "I don't give a rat's ass what you think"
etc etc.   If the shoe fits...  Again, I'm sure you will get your usual
chorus of "right on Capn" etc.:o).    Why is it that you take an opinion that
may differ from your own as some sort of personal assault?  That is usually a
sign of ignorance or insecurity (or both).  You could e-mail me direct for a
continuance of this discussion but you'd lose your cheering section :o).

Greg Sefton

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:11:55 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

 Allen,
 Yer my heero...<G>
  D




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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:30:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof

In a message dated 1/28/01 10:17:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< << In the final analysis Sir, it's obvius that the "If they'd a had it
  they'd a used it" mentality is deeply embeded in you, and frankly I couldn't
  give a 'rat's ass' what you think. >>

 Pendleton,
 Why must a rational discussion turn into an argument?  >>

Amen, brother.  Amen.
- -C.Kent

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:46:54 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Short Starters - moving on

Even the heartiest of appetites for
this short starter dialogue is surely
filled by now???

Regarding our hunter friend from Pottstown,
there's only one item in his setup that seems
to me as something not really necessary and
that is the: "(1) small wooden salt barrel
3/4 X 2 inches".   Any opinions on why this
fellow considered this as necessary?

Sure would be nice to see an image of all his
gear laid out.

Tom


gg

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2001 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<  Exception is only taken
>  with a "gentleman" suggesting rather pointedly that "elitists" exist here
>  for the soul purpose of telling others what they can and can't do. Nothing
>  could be further from the truth. It is gratuitous "name calling" >>
>
> You seem to be reading something into my post which wasn't there.  What I
> said was the criticism of a person who might be inclined to use items or
> practices that were in use during the period farther east is elitist and
> arrogance.  No one was called a name; least of all anyone on this list.  At
> least I accept and listen to your opinions and your basis for them rather
> than make stupid statements such as "I don't give a rat's ass what you think"
> etc etc.   If the shoe fits...  Again, I'm sure you will get your usual
> chorus of "right on Capn" etc.:o).    Why is it that you take an opinion that
> may differ from your own as some sort of personal assault?  That is usually a
> sign of ignorance or insecurity (or both).  You could e-mail me direct for a
> continuance of this discussion but you'd lose your cheering section :o).
>
> Greg Sefton
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:11:29 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert

At the risk of distracting attention from the ongoing pissing match (and it
is a good one, too) I want to alert you to an email that I got twice today.
The sender is "HaHaHa", who is totally unknown to me, and is supposedly  a
bawdy tale about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.....with an attachment.  It
looks suspicious to me and I deleted it and added it to my "blocked sender"
list (click on "message" in you OE toolbar and look at the list of options).
My virus scan did not detect a virus or worm but I choose to be careful.
Remember the kak worm from last year?
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
ps:  I own a short starter or two but I haven't used one in
years.....especially with the ounce of No.4's I pour down my smoothbore.


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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:14:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

> Dave,
>  I was more interested in how to get them out with a ball puller.

Allen,
Once short started they go down as easily as a regular patched ball.
If you have to pull one, the same applies.  The ball swages to bore size.
They should be no different than pulling a regular patched ball.

Dave

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:55:09 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof

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I know the subject has kinda died down but I still would like to put my =
.02 in. Greg, I understand your point about some folks being offended =
with the "elitist" stuff but please remember the other side of the coin. =
I went to my first doing over ten years ago. Big public event, lots of =
fun. Decided to get into this some more. Then I read a little out of the =
first Book of Buckskinning. After that I was ruined.=20

I used to pray (figuratively at least) I could find someone who took =
this stuff seriously enough to read a first hand journal and actually =
try to apply some of it. You want to tear my stuff apart and tell what I =
am doing wrong have at it cause I could damn sure learn a few things =
from it. Wagh how would it be to set around at night and pass a bit o =
rum and have men that dropped names and quote Meek, Ferris and Russell. =
Ones who had trapped beaver! Men who could understand the frustrations =
of having so few examples from the material culture of the RMFT. Men =
(and I mean that as in mankind not leaving out the women who add so =
much) who would gladly tell you how far they could document their outfit =
and at what point it became speculation cause they just could not find =
anything else. Men who can answer some of those questions, like: if it =
is worth trying shaving with a straight razor before I have to cut off =
my own damn ..... to find out that it is worth wearing a robe.

You want to call these guys elitists ... arrogant.... guru and other =
names have at it.=20

I call them kindred spirits....men who know there stuff.... and friends.

WY

I call them=20


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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:24:41 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

> What success has anyone had pulling balls that are extremely tight (read
> that, "hammered in")?
>
> Not trying to re-kindle the fire that just burned down......just curious.

Allen,

Of course not. <G> I don't pull a ball all that often but when I have, the
balls put down with ram rod only came out. No problem. The balls that would
go down only after the use of  a short starter generally had to be shot out.
Just my experience.

Capt. Lahti'




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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:54:05 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson & BC

richard james
thanks bud---wasnt trying to stur no pots you know that pard---guess i
just dont work my fingers too good on this keyboard but was trying to get
it straight for those that didnt know---glad you came on line and filled
us in---I have the flyer of the burial here at the house and pull it out
ever once and again---just to remember---

you don a good and honerable job----
Nuff said---
    YMHOS
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:07:57 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters

One thing that I have found to help pull a ball is.....  if the rifle has
been shot before that load went down ; ie: there is fouling, use a good
and wet patch and swab the barrel good before the attempted extraction...
a clean, lubed barrel seems to help.  hardtack

Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:51:05 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof

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   Mr. Potts being a supplier of meat I would think would keep the sound =
of shooting to a kill only thing, trying not to alert animals or =
unfriendlys within ear shot. I'm sure the moisture of PA would also help =
with fouling buildup after a few days of shooting, again requiring a =
short starter even with the tapered muzzle.

Buck,

I don't know how many will share this opinion but in light of Mr. Potts =
suppositions may I offer this:

I have not noticed game animals (elk, deer) to be at all sensitive to =
the sound of gun fire. What I have observed was that; provided the =
animal was not aware of danger prior to a shot, and provided the animal =
didn't hear any other noise prior to or in conjunction with a shot such =
as twig noise or human specific sounds besides and including voice, the =
animal being shot at or even being hit by said shot will not associate =
the noise of the shot with the trauma of the impact and will not run or =
otherwise try to escape it's injury or the danger of a second shot. =
Won't bore anyone with hunting stories but I have witnessed it quit a =
few times since I started hunting about 45 years ago.=20

Humans are another matter and potential hostiles for sure are another =
matter. We can and will pinpoint the location of a fired weapon by =
subsequent shots perhaps as soon as the second one is heard. Animals =
don't do that. Our "meat hunter" was undoubtedly aware of this and acted =
accordingly. If in a safe area, a meat hunter could lay a small herd of =
animals on the ground with subsequent shots if he didn't reveal his =
location to the game. If hostiles might be present in the area, one shot =
should be relatively safe.=20

I guess this doesn't really have much connection to our original subject =
but it is an interesting phenomenon that I am not sure how many people =
are actually aware of. If you want a chance at a second shot at that elk =
or deer, don't let it know your there. It'll likely still be there after =
your first shot and available for a better placed second shot if needed. =
Except that whacking the top of a short starter sure ain't a natural =
sound in the woods.=20

Capt. Lahti'


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't know how many will share this opinion but in =
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noise=20
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with the=20
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with=20
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Animals don't=20
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accordingly.=20
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animals on=20
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should be=20
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 02:48:37 -0500
From: "Tim Jewell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls

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From: "Allen Hall" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 8:29 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Pullin' Balls



> What success has anyone had pulling balls that are extremely tight (read
> that, "hammered in")?
>
> Allen

Allen,

Finally something I feel like I can add my 2cents worth about.

The first time I went out shooting, after about my third shot I loaded
patched ball without any powder.  I was using a tight patch/ball combo. and
didn't swab between shots so I had a really hard time getting the ball down
the bore.  I pulled the threaded attachment along with the screw right of
the end of the ramrod trying to get the darned thing out.

Finally had to remove the breech plug to get that one out.  Then DUH, I did
the same thing the next time out.  Differance was I had pinned the
attachment on my ramrod this time, tied a leather thong to the rod with
about four half hitches and the other end to a handy sapling then pulled
back on the gun and was able to get the ball right out without a great
effort.

By the way, I learned my lesson.  Now I'm real careful about putting the
powder in first <BG>.

Embarrassing to tell the story but may be useful to someone...

I remain y.m.o.s.,
Tim
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:14:50 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: salt barrels

> Regarding our hunter friend from Pottstown,
> there's only one item in his setup that seems
> to me as something not really necessary and
> that is the: "(1) small wooden salt barrel
> 3/4 X 2 inches".   Any opinions on why this
> fellow considered this as necessary?

Tom,

Man has thought of salt as not only necessary but as something of hight
value for untold thousands of years. It's been searched out at great effort
and hauled unimaginable distances with no small amount of personal danger by
almost every civilization, world wide. Why wouldn't he think a small salt
barrel or horn full of salt was necessary?

Boone and many others experienced and recorded great adventures in the
persuit of salt on the frontiers of America. It makes a bland diet of even
varied food stuffs palatable much less a straight diet of very lean game
meat. We don't look at it that way anymore because of our modern
conditioning that extra salt on your food/in your diet is bad for  you.
That's modern thinking. If you put yourself in the mind of our frontier meat
hunter, you will look at it differently. He carried exactly what he cared
not to live without or felt he could not live without.

I doubt he used such a small amount to preserve his food. Too easy to just
dry it, perhaps over a smoky fire, perhaps not. I bet he used it to give his
food a bit of seasoning and perhaps to share with native or white friends as
a gesture of friendship/fellowship and respect, just like many nomadic
peoples do today.

I'd be hard pressed to not take salt with me into the woods. My wife might
say I don't need it but in those circumstances I think I would easily
justify it. Like the guys that winter camp up in northern tier states in sub
zero conditions. They carry a flask of rum and cream as a condiment for
their coffee and tea. When the "Baileys" runs out they know it's time to
come out and go home. <G>

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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:48:03 -0600
From: "Paul W. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert

Lanney:

I have gotten the same e-mail about 4 times in the last week.  Recalling
that it is claimed to be a bad virus, I simply deleted it, and then empted
my delete file.

Hope no one gets burned.

Paul

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From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: History List <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:11 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: possible virus/worm alert


> At the risk of distracting attention from the ongoing pissing match (and
it
> is a good one, too) I want to alert you to an email that I got twice
today.
> The sender is "HaHaHa", who is totally unknown to me, and is supposedly  a
> bawdy tale about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.....with an attachment.
It
> looks suspicious to me and I deleted it and added it to my "blocked
sender"
> list (click on "message" in you OE toolbar and look at the list of
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 06:37:57 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels

Capt,

All you say about the worth of salt makes
complete sense.  The thing that is unclear to
me is why this was carried in his shooting
pouch with all the other things which seem
substantially more important to the pursuit of
his task as a hunter and his ability to
provide for his own survival.

I do an exercise periodically with my scouts
(most folks have seen variations of this) where
they are given a "survival" situation, a list
available items, and are requested to rank them
in the order of importance.  Should this same
effort be applied to the contents of this
shooting pouch I would place the salt nearly
last but, as you say, this could just be the
byproduct of my modern thinking.

Since the size of this pouch seems to leave little
room for more than the listed contents, I speculate
that our friend might also have carried a possibles
bag with perhaps some biscuits or meat or other
such sustenance (Baileys?? <G>) and that's where I would
have thought the salt would be.  This makes an
assumption that a second bag (for food, small game, etc,)
may have been typically used but we don't know the
length of his forays.  Was he out for days at a
time, or was he home each evening by the fire in
the arms of his loving wife?  Only a journal might
reveal this.

Tom

Roger Lahti wrote:
>
> > Regarding our hunter friend from Pottstown,
> > there's only one item in his setup that seems
> > to me as something not really necessary and
> > that is the: "(1) small wooden salt barrel
> > 3/4 X 2 inches".   Any opinions on why this
> > fellow considered this as necessary?
>
> Tom,
>
> Man has thought of salt as not only necessary but as something of hight
> value for untold thousands of years. It's been searched out at great effort
> and hauled unimaginable distances with no small amount of personal danger by
> almost every civilization, world wide. Why wouldn't he think a small salt
> barrel or horn full of salt was necessary?
>
> Boone and many others experienced and recorded great adventures in the
> persuit of salt on the frontiers of America. It makes a bland diet of even
> varied food stuffs palatable much less a straight diet of very lean game
> meat. We don't look at it that way anymore because of our modern
> conditioning that extra salt on your food/in your diet is bad for  you.
> That's modern thinking. If you put yourself in the mind of our frontier meat
> hunter, you will look at it differently. He carried exactly what he cared
> not to live without or felt he could not live without.
>
> I doubt he used such a small amount to preserve his food. Too easy to just
> dry it, perhaps over a smoky fire, perhaps not. I bet he used it to give his
> food a bit of seasoning and perhaps to share with native or white friends as
> a gesture of friendship/fellowship and respect, just like many nomadic
> peoples do today.
>
> I'd be hard pressed to not take salt with me into the woods. My wife might
> say I don't need it but in those circumstances I think I would easily
> justify it. Like the guys that winter camp up in northern tier states in sub
> zero conditions. They carry a flask of rum and cream as a condiment for
> their coffee and tea. When the "Baileys" runs out they know it's time to
> come out and go home. <G>
>
> Capt. Lahti'
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 06:13:41 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels

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tom roberts wrote:

> Capt,
>
> All you say about the worth of salt makes
> complete sense.  The thing that is unclear to
> me is why this was carried in his shooting
> pouch with all the other things which seem
> substantially more important to the pursuit of
> his task as a hunter and his ability to
> provide for his own survival.
>
> I do an exercise periodically with my scouts
> (most folks have seen variations of this) where
> they are given a "survival" situation, a list
> available items, and are requested to rank them
> in the order of importance.  Should this same
> effort be applied to the contents of this
> shooting pouch I would place the salt nearly
> last but, as you say, this could just be the
> byproduct of my modern thinking.
>
> Since the size of this pouch seems to leave little
> room for more than the listed contents, I speculate
> that our friend might also have carried a possibles
> bag with perhaps some biscuits or meat or other
> such sustenance (Baileys?? <G>) and that's where I would
> have thought the salt would be.  This makes an
> assumption that a second bag (for food, small game, etc,)
> may have been typically used but we don't know the
> length of his forays.  Was he out for days at a
> time, or was he home each evening by the fire in
> the arms of his loving wife?  Only a journal might
> reveal this.
>
> Tom
>

Tom,

The salt barrel could have been placed in the bag after this gentleman had moved
on to another world, remember it was passed down through his family for many
years.

From the story about him he would go out Sunday evening returning on the following
Saturday morning, leaving his gotten game at pre-arranged places during the week
for the three towns he provide meat for.  The article is on one of my pages at :
http://pages.about.com/conner1/equipage.htm

Later,
Buck Conner
Research page:
http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__
Personal page:
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
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tom roberts wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Capt,
<p>All you say about the worth of salt makes
<br>complete sense.  The thing that is unclear to
<br>me is why this was carried in his shooting
<br>pouch with all the other things which seem
<br>substantially more important to the pursuit of
<br>his task as a hunter and his ability to
<br>provide for his own survival.
<p>I do an exercise periodically with my scouts
<br>(most folks have seen variations of this) where
<br>they are given a "survival" situation, a list
<br>available items, and are requested to rank them
<br>in the order of importance.  Should this same
<br>effort be applied to the contents of this
<br>shooting pouch I would place the salt nearly
<br>last but, as you say, this could just be the
<br>byproduct of my modern thinking.
<p>Since the size of this pouch seems to leave little
<br>room for more than the listed contents, I speculate
<br>that our friend might also have carried a possibles
<br>bag with perhaps some biscuits or meat or other
<br>such sustenance (Baileys?? <G>) and that's where I would
<br>have thought the salt would be.  This makes an
<br>assumption that a second bag (for food, small game, etc,)
<br>may have been typically used but we don't know the
<br>length of his forays.  Was he out for days at a
<br>time, or was he home each evening by the fire in
<br>the arms of his loving wife?  Only a journal might
<br>reveal this.
<p>Tom
<br><a href="http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html"></a> </blockquote>
Tom,
<p>The salt barrel could have been placed in the bag after this gentleman
had moved on to another world, remember it was passed down through his
family for many years.
<p>From the story about him he would go out Sunday evening returning on
the following Saturday morning, leaving his gotten game at pre-arranged
places during the week for the three towns he provide meat for.  The
article is on one of my pages at : <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/equipage.htm">http://pages.about.com/conner1/equipage.htm</A>
<p>Later,
<br>Buck Conner
<br>Research page:
<br><A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/">http://pages.about.com/conner1/</A> _______HRD__
<br>Personal page:
<br><A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A>
<br>____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 06:24:56 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor

Klahowya My Friends,

Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on.  When you can
scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.
YMOS
PoorBoy



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