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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #721 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, January 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 721 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gotta love this list! - the answer -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof-Gotta love this list! -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof-Gotta love this list! -áááááá MtMan-List: Jaegers -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Straight Edge Razors -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jaegers -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Straight Edge Razors -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson & BC -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:37:00 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gotta love this list! - the answer I couldn't wait any longer. Did Bridger travel this way? Did you say "yes' or "no"? The correct answer is......drum roll please....YES! From 1854 to 1857, Sir St. george Gore, the eight Baronet of Manor gore, traveled in the Rockies with Brisger as his guide. He had 40 hired men, 110 horses, 20 yoke of oxen and 28 wheeled cehicles to carry all this baggage. Now, we can debate next about whether 1854 is still the fur trade but that's for a latter argument/flame war. For now, the point is, just because it was in the east doesn't mean it made it to the Rockies. But if you want to bring it, justify it by developing the appropriate setting. The items that William Drummond Stewart had don't necessarily translate to every trapper in the brigade but you could argue that sardines are fair fare (cute, eh?) at your dinner around the fire. Alas, I found no piano in Lord Gore's equipment but maybe I can travel down to Fort Bent for the next concert. And, yes, I looked close, but didn't see a short starter in Gore's hunting pouch. He must have lost it. For what it's worth, Jim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:40:36 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof-Gotta love this list! Imagine this scene: After crossing the Medicine Bow Mountains, the grizzled trapper hits the North Platte and turned south. Traveling through North Park, it wasn't long before he came across an encampment. Several wagons and lots of livestock are scattered about so he anticapates a large brigade of mountaineers. Hey, there's Gabe Bridger! And next to him is good ol' Chatillon. There standing in front of a large tent with green and white stripes! never has this trapper laid eyes on such a canvas lodge, but they had them in the East so it must be okay. Invited in, our friend is amazed at the contents of this mountain home. There is a large brass bedstead that looks mighty comfortable. In the corner is an oval-shaped, steel bath tub. Wouldn't a hot soak feel good! On the table is a complete set of English pewterware spread out with food for a king. It was appaarently cooked on the big iron wood stove along the side-wall. His feet feel the soft French carpet under his mocs and Bridger is quick to point out the India rubber pad underneath. But the piece de resistance is the fur-lined commode in the back. It even has a removable chamber pot! They had them in the East so seeing them in the rockies should be no surprise, eh? And to have the room lit by those alcohol-turpentine burning "Camphene" lamps hanging from the ridge pole, ah, the comforts of civilization. The trapper puts his floppy felt hat on the mahogany chest of drawers and bends down to pet the sleek greyhound lying on the carpet. This is the life! Okay, all you experts. Is this a real scene? All these items existed in the East. Could they have been in the Rockies? Would Bridger and Chatillon have camped in such opulence? Stay tuned ........ Jim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:58:35 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters > No elitists here, just folks trying to sort out the truth of it. Any way you > care to phrase it, "If they'da had it, they'da used it" ain't the truth. > Respectfully, I remain...... > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Hey Capt., After all the talk about this subject, "yes there where" and "no there weren't short starters", (as I sit looking at a Gun Collectors sales book) look at cased rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc., damn many have short starters and where made before 1800 ??? But there's no paperwork saying they came with this cased weapon, there's a place for it or was something else to go in that spot !!! But like we all have stated where's the documentation ? Here we go again Ole. And by the way this discussion has nothing to do with who or whom your a member of, I'm am AMM, NRA, and Lenape and can be as wrong or go off the wrong direction as easy as the next guy, we're all just trying to find good documentation to try and be more correct/period/etc. for our own personal persona or understanding. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:20:13 -0500 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor " I'm thinking that it might be due to the quality of the steels used in razors vs knives or that this is a technique that is suited for a knife of similar dimensions as that of a razor. Any thoughts on this?" On thought, if I may. (I have had no contact with anyone today, so I am still somewhat civil<G>) Generally the reason you get an edge well with a strop on a razor & not a knife is the quality of the original edge. All a strop does is "polish" the edge, not actually sharpen it.. It is this polished edge that keeps you from looking like you had a night of passsion with a bobcat.. If the razor actually goes dull, you sharpen it with a razor hone, which is generally glass slick. If I sharpen a knife with a regular stone, even a fine one, it will not polish well with a strop, you need a steel to quickly bring it back, BUT, if I take the time to use finer & finer stones and finsh with a set 8000 & 16000 water stones, then it will polish out and be as sharp as a straight razor, and a strop will work dandy.. But the drawback of this is you lose a "working" edge, it is much too thin an fragile for actual day to day chores. Clear as mud? D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:38:35 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof - --------------0E678EF709316CA715089CBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In the final analysis Sir, it's obvius that the "If they'd a had it > they'd a used it" mentality is deeply embeded in you, and frankly I couldn't > give a 'rat's ass' what you think. And that sir, is my final words on the > subject. > > Pendleton Larry, Larry, Larry, I love it when you finally just flat tell it how it is, only kidding brother. For this discussion on short starters, looks like it's going down hill; well I've gone through a half dozen books like Grant's series, Johnson's works, Hanson's articles, looking for pictures and documentation on the subject to make a point, so far I've seen some great pouches, powder horns & measurers, loading blocks, worms, jags, molds, etc., but only a few short starters - in fact more awls and other tools of the trade than short starters. The earliest was in the NRA - American Hunter magazine - article about a rifle and shooting pouch from Pottsville, Pa. SHOWN BELOW IS PART OF AN ARTICLE I WROTE A FEW YEARS AGO FOR AN ARTICLE SEEN IN THE TOMAHAWK & LONG RIFLE JOURNAL. LEFT A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED THE BAG, YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND AS TO WHETHER THEY DID OR DIDN'T USE THEM, REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY ONE ACCOUNT. ---------------------------------------------------- I have had many bags, carried so much stuff that one would think ye need a pack mule for support. After 40 years and looking at lots of original shooting bags and mainly paying attention to contents, I now have a small bag copied from one of a hunter from Pottstown PA carried as part of his profession for a 28 years career from 1787 to 1815. According to the collector that now has the bag, it's contents, owner's journal, and his rifle; this bag had been replaced several times during this hunter's working career, but with the same design - size each time. This tells us that the design, size, and contents must have served his daily needs. According to the personal journal kept daily, he showed : weather conditions, game movement, game taken and who owed him for each animal, as he supplied 3 local towns. I would say with a 28 year career of working his business 5 days a week, and 50 weeks a year, one would get to know your equipage quite well. His records show he would leave game at pre-arranged locations for each town, come in on Friday evening, Saturday was spent with repair of equipment, casting ball, getting ready for the following weeks work and collecting his wage for game supplied. This was an early period butcher if you think about it, providing a service for the local people living in the towns he supported. Wouldn't that be a neat way of life, living from week to week in the woods close to town and doing something one would like. Several entries showed he had observed Indian movement and other strangers to the area he covered, also stating he left word at the pre-arranged locations of this activity for the towns to be aware of a possible problem. Let's get back to the original question now that you have a little background on a real live hunter William Potts, one that made his living at this trade 200 years ago. His bag small by some folks standards, 8-1/2 X 9 inches made of commercial cow hide, dark brown in color with a wide strap of 1-1/2 inches with a hand forged buckle for adjustment of the length and made of tightly woven linen in forest colors, now dull from usage and age. The bag has a 2" gusset with a divider making two compartments (lined with linen material), there are to small leather pockets attached to the back of the bag - used to hold to small tin containers. All seams are welted, even the edge of the flap that is covered with linen on the inside and having a narrow welted slit to make a storage area for patching material. A clever idea that one should consider when building his next pouch, making easy access to your shooting and cleaning material, as well as adding weight to the flap to keep it in place - flap has a tong used to secure it to the pewter button attached at the bottom of the bag. This will give you a pretty good idea of the appearance and how this bag is set up. For contents, I found this to be very interesting, knowing it belonged and was designed by one that worked with it every day as a tool of his trade. Lets start with the small tin containers; 1-3/4 X 4-1/2 X 1-1/4 inches, hinged on the end with a simple pressure clip to keep the lid secured. Inside - container #1 brained deer hide liner used to keep other items from making noise, (1) combination screwdriver-knapper, (1) vent pick-handforged, (1) iron ball jag, (1) tow worm, (1) handforged small nail used to insert in small hole in ramrod if rod became stuck, (1) small folding pocket knife, (2) flicker feathers used to plug vent hole in bad weather, (1) small brass bell with leather thong apparently this hunter had a dog for his companion. Oh, almost forgot (1) small round tin container approx.. 7/8 dia. X 3/4 inches deep-used for patch lube and lip baum. Inside - container #2: brained deer hide liner used to keep other items from making noise, (6) small handforged fishing hooks with tapered end, (4) small [.29 cal.] round balls-weights, (2) corncob floats, (2) 6 foot pieces of linen thread, (4) horsehair leaders, (1) small round tin 3/4 X 3/4 inches-bees wax, (2) handmade sewing needles, (3) thin leather thongs, and (2) iron blanket pins 1-1/2 inches in dia. **** READ THIS LINE: Contents in back pocket: roll of pillow ticking-.012 thickness, small handmade bottle of cleaner, small short starter, flint wallet with small turn screw and vent pick, brained deer hide ball bag-20 /.435 round balls. On the back of the back pocket is a rawhide sheath with a 10 inch / overall length butcher knife. Contents in front pocket: (1) 3 hole bullet board with thong attached to an adjustable powder measurer, (1) small oval tin 3 X 4 X 3/4 inches with 3-1/2 X 1 inch striker, (3) flint flakes, tow, tin of char, and (6) sulfer matches, container again lined with brained deer hide. (1) small handforged single jaw trap [muskrat], wooden cased compass 2 X 2 X 7/8 inches, (3) bees wax candles wrapped in linen cloth, (1) small wooden salt barrel 3/4 X 2 inches, and (1) 2 piece turkey wing bone call. This is very interesting that such a small pouch of the day - 1787 to 1815 is so compact and only the needed items to perform his tasks are used, every item was needed in his daily survival and gathering of game. Note things like bullet molds, ladles, lead bar, pipes-tobacco, etc. are items cached or left at his residents in the settlements. Something we found interesting in his journal was the mention of not using tobacco, feeling that the odor from such activity would hamper his ability to get close to game. ---------------------------------------------------- Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------0E678EF709316CA715089CBB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <blockquote TYPE=CITE> In the final analysis Sir, it's obvius that the "If they'd a had it they'd a used it" mentality is deeply embeded in you, and frankly I couldn't give a 'rat's ass' what you think. And that sir, is my final words on the subject. Pendleton</blockquote> Larry, Larry, Larry, I love it when you finally just flat tell it how it is, only kidding brother. For this discussion on short starters, looks like it's going down hill; well I've gone through a half dozen books like Grant's series, Johnson's works, Hanson's articles, looking for pictures and documentation on the subject to make a point, so far I've seen some great pouches, powder horns & measurers, loading blocks, worms, jags, molds, etc., but only a few short starters - in fact more awls and other tools of the trade than short starters. The earliest was in the NRA - American Hunter magazine - - article about a rifle and shooting pouch from Pottsville, Pa. SHOWN BELOW IS PART OF AN ARTICLE I WROTE A FEW YEARS AGO FOR AN ARTICLE SEEN IN THE TOMAHAWK & LONG RIFLE JOURNAL. LEFT A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED THE BAG, YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND AS TO WHETHER THEY DID OR DIDN'T USE THEM, REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY ONE ACCOUNT. - ---------------------------------------------------- I have had many bags, carried so much stuff that one would think ye need a pack mule for support. After 40 years and looking at lots of original shooting bags and mainly paying attention to contents, I now have a small bag copied from one of a hunter from Pottstown PA carried as part of his profession for a 28 years career from 1787 to 1815. According to the collector that now has the bag, it's contents, owner's journal, and his rifle; this bag had been replaced several times during this hunter's working career, but with the same design - size each time. This tells us that the design, size, and contents must have served his daily needs. According to the personal journal kept daily, he showed : weather conditions, game movement, game taken and who owed him for each animal, as he supplied 3 local towns. I would say with a 28 year career of working his business 5 days a week, and 50 weeks a year, one would get to know your equipage quite well. His records show he would leave game at pre-arranged locations for each town, come in on Friday evening, Saturday was spent with repair of equipment, casting ball, getting ready for the following weeks work and collecting his wage for game supplied. This was an early period butcher if you think about it, providing a service for the local people living in the towns he supported. Wouldn't that be a neat way of life, living from week to week in the woods close to town and doing something one would like. Several entries showed he had observed Indian movement and other strangers to the area he covered, also stating he left word at the pre-arranged locations of this activity for the towns to be aware of a possible problem. Let's get back to the original question now that you have a little background on a real live hunter William Potts, one that made his living at this trade 200 years ago. His bag small by some folks standards, 8-1/2 X 9 inches made of commercial cow hide, dark brown in color with a wide strap of 1-1/2 inches with a hand forged buckle for adjustment of the length and made of tightly woven linen in forest colors, now dull from usage and age. The bag has a 2" gusset with a divider making two compartments (lined with linen material), there are to small leather pockets attached to the back of the bag - used to hold to small tin containers. All seams are welted, even the edge of the flap that is covered with linen on the inside and having a narrow welted slit to make a storage area for patching material. A clever idea that one should consider when building his next pouch, making easy access to your shooting and cleaning material, as well as adding weight to the flap to keep it in place - flap has a tong used to secure it to the pewter button attached at the bottom of the bag. This will give you a pretty good idea of the appearance and how this bag is set up. For contents, I found this to be very interesting, knowing it belonged and was designed by one that worked with it every day as a tool of his trade. Lets start with the small tin containers; 1-3/4 X 4-1/2 X 1-1/4 inches, hinged on the end with a simple pressure clip to keep the lid secured. Inside - container #1 brained deer hide liner used to keep other items from making noise, (1) combination screwdriver-knapper, (1) vent pick-handforged, (1) iron ball jag, (1) tow worm, (1) handforged small nail used to insert in small hole in ramrod if rod became stuck, (1) small folding pocket knife, (2) flicker feathers used to plug vent hole in bad weather, (1) small brass bell with leather thong apparently this hunter had a dog for his companion. Oh, almost forgot (1) small round tin container approx.. 7/8 dia. X 3/4 inches deep-used for patch lube and lip baum. Inside - container #2: brained deer hide liner used to keep other items from making noise, (6) small handforged fishing hooks with tapered end, (4) small [.29 cal.] round balls-weights, (2) corncob floats, (2) 6 foot pieces of linen thread, (4) horsehair leaders, (1) small round tin 3/4 X 3/4 inches-bees wax, (2) handmade sewing needles, (3) thin leather thongs, and (2) iron blanket pins 1-1/2 inches in dia. **** READ THIS LINE: Contents in back pocket: roll of pillow ticking-.012 thickness, small handmade bottle of cleaner, small short starter, flint wallet with small turn screw and vent pick, brained deer hide ball bag-20 /.435 round balls. On the back of the back pocket is a rawhide sheath with a 10 inch / overall length butcher knife. Contents in front pocket: (1) 3 hole bullet board with thong attached to an adjustable powder measurer, (1) small oval tin 3 X 4 X 3/4 inches with 3-1/2 X 1 inch striker, (3) flint flakes, tow, tin of char, and (6) sulfer matches, container again lined with brained deer hide. (1) small handforged single jaw trap [muskrat], wooden cased compass 2 X 2 X 7/8 inches, (3) bees wax candles wrapped in linen cloth, (1) small wooden salt barrel 3/4 X 2 inches, and (1) 2 piece turkey wing bone call. This is very interesting that such a small pouch of the day - 1787 to 1815 is so compact and only the needed items to perform his tasks are used, every item was needed in his daily survival and gathering of game. Note things like bullet molds, ladles, lead bar, pipes-tobacco, etc. are items cached or left at his residents in the settlements. Something we found interesting in his journal was the mention of not using tobacco, feeling that the odor from such activity would hamper his ability to get close to game. - ---------------------------------------------------- Later, Buck Conner Research page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/">http://pages.about.com/conner1/</A> _______HRD__ Personal page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A> ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ </html> - --------------0E678EF709316CA715089CBB-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:44:39 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof-Gotta love this list! Casapy123@aol.com wrote: > Imagine this scene: > > After crossing the Medicine Bow Mountains, the grizzled trapper hits the > North Platte and turned south. Traveling through North Park, it wasn't long > before he came across an encampment. Several wagons and lots of livestock > are scattered about so he anticapates a large brigade of mountaineers. > > Hey, there's Gabe Bridger! And next to him is good ol' Chatillon. There > standing in front of a large tent with green and white stripes! never has > this trapper laid eyes on such a canvas lodge, but they had them in the East > so it must be okay. > > Invited in, our friend is amazed at the contents of this mountain home. > There is a large brass bedstead that looks mighty comfortable. In the corner > is an oval-shaped, steel bath tub. Wouldn't a hot soak feel good! On the > table is a complete set of English pewterware spread out with food for a > king. It was appaarently cooked on the big iron wood stove along the > side-wall. His feet feel the soft French carpet under his mocs and Bridger > is quick to point out the India rubber pad underneath. > > But the piece de resistance is the fur-lined commode in the back. It even > has a removable chamber pot! They had them in the East so seeing them in the > rockies should be no surprise, eh? And to have the room lit by those > alcohol-turpentine burning "Camphene" lamps hanging from the ridge pole, ah, > the comforts of civilization. > > The trapper puts his floppy felt hat on the mahogany chest of drawers and > bends down to pet the sleek greyhound lying on the carpet. This is the life! > > Okay, all you experts. Is this a real scene? All these items existed in the > East. Could they have been in the Rockies? Would Bridger and Chatillon have > camped in such opulence? > > Stay tuned ........ > > Jim Man would that have been the life, ye should make such a setup for the next Western Jim and Lanney can do the cookin'. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:48:42 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Jaegers There has been some discussion regarding the Jaeger rifle and its place in American history lately on this list. I am certainly no expert on this subject, I just know what I read, see in museums and half of what I hear. Included in what I have read are the Schumway articles and an article from a 1971 American Rifleman magazine which I have saved all these years. Since the magazine is yellowed and crumbling with age, I have saved the article digitally [can I say "digitally" on this list?]. Anyone that is interested in having this very excellent and interesting article can have it by writing me. I will be happy to e-send to you. It is seven pages in .jpg format, be prepared for a long download. But well worth the time and reading. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:53:53 -0600 From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:07:07 -0800 "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> writes: >> Dear Lady, > > You flatter me to blush again. <G> > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' Capt. Lahti', Ah ay-am just stay-t'n the fah-acts. <G> Victoria > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:58:27 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Edge Razors - --------------EFC3B5255785706CDD000581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lanney Ratcliff wrote: > WYGo to Google.com and enter a search for "straight > razors". When that opens go to the 5th page (41-50 of > 11,000 hits) and find a listing for a straight razor > discussion list and go to the bottom of the page, the 50th > hit, and open and read some excellent instructions on the > use of a straight razor. I use a straight razor from time > and find it to be a satisfying way of shaving. In > addition to the various instructions you will find > remember this AT ALL TIMES, REPEAT, AT ALL TIMES, BE 100% > AWARE OF WHERE THE BLADE IS. It is easy to cut ones self > in the most unlikely places. Before I got the hang of it > I managed to cut both ear lobes and the tip of my nose. > You can scarcely imagine how silly one can look with a > small square of toilet paper stuck to the tip of ones nose > with a bright little circle of blood.Lanney Ratcliffps: > Get a bottle of Florida Water or Bay Rum to complete the > effect. Modern dept store cologne or after shave just > doesn't work. "A bright little circle of blood", glad I wasn't around that day, I was the one that sold him the straight razor, by the way see Clark & Sons Mercantile, Mr. Jones carries a full setup of what is needed to take on this adventure, if ye has the stomach for it. URL: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------EFC3B5255785706CDD000581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Lanney Ratcliff wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style> WYGo to Google.com and enter a search for "straight razors". When that opens go to the 5th page (41-50 of 11,000 hits) and find a listing for a straight razor discussion list and go to the bottom of the page, the 50th hit, and open and read some excellent instructions on the use of a straight razor. I use a straight razor from time and find it to be a satisfying way of shaving. In addition to the various instructions you will find remember this AT ALL TIMES, REPEAT, AT ALL TIMES, BE 100% AWARE OF WHERE THE BLADE IS. It is easy to cut ones self in the most unlikely places. Before I got the hang of it I managed to cut both ear lobes and the tip of my nose. You can scarcely imagine how silly one can look with a small square of toilet paper stuck to the tip of ones nose with a bright little circle of blood.Lanney Ratcliffps: Get a bottle of Florida Water or Bay Rum to complete the effect. Modern dept store cologne or after shave just doesn't work.</blockquote> "A bright little circle of blood", glad I wasn't around that day, I was the one that sold him the straight razor, by the way see Clark & Sons Mercantile, Mr. Jones carries a full setup of what is needed to take on this adventure, if ye has the stomach for it. URL: <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/">http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/</A> Later, Buck Conner Research page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/">http://pages.about.com/conner1/</A> _______HRD__ Personal page: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A> ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ </body> </html> - --------------EFC3B5255785706CDD000581-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:00:44 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jaegers Frank Fusco wrote: > There has been some discussion regarding the Jaeger rifle and its place > in American history lately on this list. > I am certainly no expert on this subject, I just know what I read, see > in museums and half of what I hear. Included in what I have read are the > Schumway articles and an article from a 1971 American Rifleman magazine > which I have saved all these years. > Since the magazine is yellowed and crumbling with age, I have saved the > article digitally [can I say "digitally" on this list?]. > Anyone that is interested in having this very excellent and interesting > article can have it by writing me. I will be happy to e-send to you. It is > seven pages in .jpg format, be prepared for a long download. But well worth > the time and reading. > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Frank send me what you have, had that article and have misplaced it. Thanks Buck. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:01:17 -0500 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Edge Razors The best shaves I ever had was from a old, wisened barber in Montechia di Crosara, (VR) Italy. Every Sat morning I would go there for a shave and trim and listen to him tell of shaving the Gestapo Commander and staff when it was a headquarters in WW II. I swear that shave would last 2-3 days... He used the same equipment his Great Grandad used... All ivory mounted and fit for a master. I have never been able to duplicate that shave.....Just ruminatin' D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:08:26 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters-the proof dennis M would truly appreciate a few pictures of your Mrs yaeger---can send them off line if you like--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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Confirmed, anthenticated, but not supposed. > (June 1974) > Richard James > hvrno #79 > I concure with you bud---but the reason i said suposed remains is that in the grave that he was placed in california they sometimes double stacked the coffins and to the best of their knowledge they did have his remains----the kids financed his removal and rebuarial if i am not mistaken and robert redford was also there------I have the pamplet with yours and other brothers puting him to rest along with a pipe that i picked up there---sorry for the misunderstanding guess i wasnt clear enough in my response---believe you were the persor of the AMM at that time as I have the letter and my renewal card signed by you around that time--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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Would like to have seen what Lanney did with that razor if he got his little hands on you <G>. Hey Buck I saw what the little gal has done so far on the sites, looks great - need to have her do some changes on HRD. Boy wouldn't that have been an eye opener to walk into a camp like Jim has been writing about, a different world for those old boys. Got to get to my e-mails, see you all later. Later, Daniel L. 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