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hist_text-digest      Thursday, January 11 2001      Volume 01 : Number 708



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: TOF???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: TOF???
-áááááá MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket
-áááááá MtMan-List: Antique Dealers
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers
-áááááá MtMan-List: Pipes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket
-áááááá MtMan-List: Pipes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sinew
-áááááá MtMan-List: hudson bay blkt
-áááááá MtMan-List: hudson blkt. anqt dealer
-áááááá MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
-áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:02:06 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:08:43 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: TOF???

>Hey Ponyrider,
>
>Here is a book [blah, blah, blah] The book may be optained from TOF in
>soft cover, 336
>pages, 6" x 9" format, illustrated with maps for only $15.00

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is TOF?

HBC

**********************************
Henry B. Crawford
Curator of History
Museum of Texas Tech University
Box 43191
Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
[e-mail]
806/742-2442  FAX [phone]
Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
***  Living History . . . Because It's There  ***



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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:12:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOF???

> Please excuse my ignorance, but what is TOF?

I was wondering the same thing.  Maybe he means TOW (Track of the Wolf).
In this case, TOF is not me.

TOF

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:22:27 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket

Ponyrider asked,

    <could someone give us the offical material on the hundson bay blanket.>

    The Hudson Bay company still sells the blankets.  They have an Internet
site which you can find with a simple search.  I am sure they have the
answers you need.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas



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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:33:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket

James A. Hanson of The Museum Of The Fur Trade published some great
information on the history of blankets.  Taken from his writings, and as
others have mentioned, the small thin 'point stripes', first noted by the
French Canadian in about 1694, are what was used to determine the size,
weight and/or value of the blanket. The three are in direct relationship to
each other, meaning bigger and heavier cost more.

The original point stripes were done in colored wools, and were about an inch
long.  Later (1890), the US Offise Of Indian Trade specified that point marks
should be about the length of a finger (3-4 inches).  Today there are
sometimes five inches or more and done in black.

To back up your argument Ponyrider, it should be noted that there is even a
correct place for the point marks on a blanket. If one holds the blanket
vertically, THE POINTS APPEAR AT THE LOWER RIGHT of the blanket.  These
points were made by hand, AND WERE SEEN ON ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE BLANKET.
These two things would prove to your 'antique dealer' that the broad, full
width colored stripes were NOT the point stripes.

The value factor of the points changed over time, depending on the value of
pelts, but it was generally thought that one stripe = one beaver pelt. As to
size, the point stripes varied in their meaning somewhat, but generally were
about these sizes, depending on the manufacturer and whose specifications
they were made to:

1 point =  32x46, 1 1/2  =  36x50, 2 point =  42x56, 2 1/2  =  52x66
3 point =  60x74, 3 1/2  =  63x81, 4 point =  72x90

As time went on, and especially after WWII, the sizes changed to what are
referred to as 'modern sizes'. For example the 1 1/2 became 42x60, 3 1/2
became 60x90, 5 = 80x95 and 6 point = 90x100.

The wide colored stripes can be used to help determine when and by who the
blanket was produced, but have no relationship to their size or trading value.

Barney

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:57 -0600
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers

Capt. L, Ad Miller, others,

About antique dealers, it is probably better, when you see something offered
as antique, that you know isn't antique, to just smile to yourself and walk
away with the satisfaction that you really know the item isn't an antique.

Like the antique dealers who supposedly know all about Hudson Bay blankets.
Trying to tell them they are wrong is a lost cause and will just probably
tick them off.

Think about it, if one of you were at a big major rendezvous and some total
stranger came up to you and began telling you that your rifle was the wrong
time period, your clothes were not right and can't be documented, your tipi
is not only inappropriate, but also set up wrong, and your primitive glasses
are actually Civil War period instead of RMFT period, would you be ticked
off at this stranger??? You would think that this stranger is some self
righteous bastard who should just move on and leave you alone, right??

Antique dealers get this treatment all the time from well meaning people.
Along with this they get thousands of stories about how "my grandmother had
the very same thing" or "you want a hundred dollars for that! I just bought
one at a rummage sale for $5."

In all cases it is better to just bite your tongue and leave well enough
alone.  For every dealer who doesn't know anything about an item and has it
priced to high, there is two or three dealers that have something that they
don't know about and have it priced way to low. Isn't that what we are all
looking for? The original signed Hawken rifle in the hands of some dealer
who doesn't know squat about muzzleloaders? I like this last kind of dealer
and I am not about to explain that his original Hawken rifle priced at $300
is really worth $5,000 and that he should raise his price so I can buy it at
$5,000. Would you??? If Capt. L's example of a Ft. Meigs belt axe was a real
original Ft. Meigs and he could have bought it for $10 or $15 dollars would
that be cause to tell the dealer he didn't know his merchandise?

Just some advise about life and antique dealers and a little ranting from
the Harddog, who has been a store front antique dealer for 35 years.

YMH&OS,
Harddog





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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:06:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers

> Just some advise about life and antique dealers and a little ranting from
>  the Harddog, who has been a store front antique dealer for 35 years.

HardDog,
There are two saying which cover everything:
1.  Caveat Emptor
2.  Ignorance is bliss.

Dave

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:16:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers

In a message dated 1/9/1 11:16:26 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Just some advise about life and antique dealers and a little ranting from

the Harddog, who has been a store front antique dealer for 35 years.

>>

Years ago at a Henry's Fork rendezvous, that classic trader of traders - Jim
Bond - made the statement:  "you have to make up your mind - are you a
collector or a trader ?  I can't  afford to be a collector so I am a trader."
  Trader - dealer.  Some are just starting out and don't have the experience.
  Some have been at it a while and know what they are talking about.  Some,
however, are like lawyers and will do anything to turn a buck.  (If there are
any lawyers on the site and I have offended them . . . . good!)
 Richard James
#79

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:15:31 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Pipes

Good Afternoon to all,
                                  Recently there was a good discussion
on tobacco and smoking. One part of the conversation was about clay
pipes, I was wondering if there was any  documentation on pipes other
than clay being used? My every day pipe is a store bought corn cob from
which I have removed the plastic mouth piece  made a new one from a
bored out stick and removed the plastic cuff from the stem which I then
wrapped with sinew now I have a nice plastic free pipe .I am
particularly interested to find out if any one has any info on Corn Cobs
being used in the Pre 1840 period as its such a good smoke I can't
believe no one came up with it sooner. It seems like you  don't come
across ref. to corncobs or other types of pipes till the Civil war and
after. I did once see a picture of an Iroqouis wooden pipe from about
1800 but caption stated that such were rare! If any one has any Ideas or
Info. t'would be much appreciated!
                       Y.M.O.S,
                                    M.A. Smith

"In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World"     Thoreau

http://community.webtv.net/SpiritoftheWood/THEBUCKSKINNERSCABIN


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:15:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers

In a message dated 1/9/2001 2:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< HardDog,
 There are two saying which cover everything:
 1.  Caveat Emptor
 2.  Ignorance is bliss.

 Dave >>

You left out a couple Dave,

"life's too important to be taken seriously"
& "Life's too short to dance with ugly squaws"

Greg (the mule man)

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:17:22 -0600
From: "Jason and Kathy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket

Barney wrote:

> The wide colored stripes can be used to help determine when and by who the
> blanket was produced,

Where could a person find more information about this?
Jason Kendrick



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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:07:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket

In a message dated 1/9/01 1:23:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Where could a person find more information about this? >>

The article I quoted from is titled "Point Blankets" by James A. Hanson,
which was, I believe, published in The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly
(date unknown), and the bibliography in the article shows:

Adney, E.T. "The Blankets of the Frontier and Indian Trade with Especial
Reference to the 'Point' Blankets of the Hudson's Bay Company." Unpublished
1927 manuscript in Museum Of The Fur Trade Library

Avis, Walter S. "A Dictionary of Canadianisms on Historical Principals". Gage
Educational Publishing Co. 1991

Back, Francis "The Trade Blanket in New France", Museum of the Fur Trade
Quarterly, Vol 26, No 3 (Fall 1990) pp 2-8.

Brain, Jeffrey P. "Tunica Treasure", Harvard University, 1979.

Buecker, Thomas "A Indian Department Marked Issue Blanket", Museum of the Fur
Trade Quarterly, Vol 32, No 2 (Summer 1996) pp 7-11

Dodman, A.E. "Hudson's Bay Point Blankets" The Beaver, December 1926 pp 22-25

Eckford, T.D. Manager, Staples Department, NBC, Vancouver BC to James A.
Hanson, Curator, Museum of the Fur Trade, August 28, 1972

Engage, The. "Notes on the Physical Appearance of American Point Blankets for
the Plains Indians in the 1860's", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 16,
No3 (Fall 1980) pp 5-9

Gaede, Frederick C. and E. Bryce Workman "Notes on Point Blankets in the
Military Service". Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 15, No 2 (Summer
1979) pp 1-5

Hanson, Charles E. Jr. "Some Additional Notes on Trade Blankets", Museum of
the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 24, No 4 (Winter 1988) pp 5-11
"The Point Blanket" Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 12, No 1 (Spring
1976) pp 5-10

Mackay, Douglas "Blanket Coverage" The Beaver, June 1935 pp 45-52

Montgomery, Florence M. "Textiles In America 1650-1870"  W.W. Norton & Co.
1984

Hope this is of some help,  Barney




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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:19:08 -0600
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Pipes

>I was wondering if there was any  documentation on pipes other
>than clay being used?

Micmac pipes were used around the Great Lakes. These pipes were carved from
soapstone and had reed stems. Excavations at Michalamackinaw have found many
examples. They were named after the Micmac Indians. Neumann's book on the
Rev War, "Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution",
page 244, shows a classic example of the bowl. A small ribbon was tied to
the bottom of the bowl and to the stem so if the bowl fell off the stem
while smoking the bowl didn't fall and get broken. Many times the ribbon was
strung with beads or wampum shell. They are quite easy to make if you have
some soapstone. It took me a couple of hours to make one.

Harddog


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:11 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?

Yes certain types of guns do have a tendency to burn  you... for example,
the guns that the British army used (muskets of some type, I think - please
correct me if you're wrong) would burn you and/or the person next to you.
That's why their hats only had the tassels on one side... they kept catching
fire!

Thanks,
Ethan Sudman ([e-mail])

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> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm getting back into ML activities after a 15 year hiatus in the
corporate
> ratrace.  My mule talked me into leaving those digs and getting back to
the
> things I enjoy like blacksmithing and gunsmithing.  I always built & used
> caplocks after trying a flinter once.  I recall it burning my hat brim and
> singeing my eyebrows off and if I had been shooting at meat, I would have
> starved plumb to death waitin fer it to go off.  Well I've since seen some
> real nice flints and now want to build (or buy) one.  I recall using a lot
of
> parts from Log Cabin back then.  Who's a good purveyor (s) of  gun parts
> these days and what's a good lock that works?  As I recall, Siler was
always
> thought purty highly of.  Anyone have any thing along these lines to sell?
> Any help from you "resident experts" appreciated.  Have enjoyed this list.
>
> Greg Sefton
> Best "Ass" In America  <A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm">BJ1
> </A>
> http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:15:23 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn

Like John has stated, this is French country just look at
the names of towns in and around St. Louis, go there today -
go to and around Ft. deChartre ILL along the Mississippi and
listen to the locals, many still have the French in their
voices, eat, sell and have the great cooking of the French.
Go to the fort in the spring and watch the colors raised,
1st the French, then the British and last the Americans, in
that order as it was occupied in history.

The French built and ran Ft. deChartre, sold it to the
English and the Americans took it from them, this is a great
event to watch - the units march into the fort, the colors
change and so on, the best part is when the Americans come
in and raise our flag the chill goes up your spine and your
eyes will fill, every time. I've seen this more than a dozen
times and have the same reaction with every visit, one that
everyone needs to experience at least once.

Look in the grave yards, check the names Joe, the oldest
grave stones are French and lots of them, much earlier than
what John has stated, you'll see more English, Irish and
common names than Spanish, few Spanish names compared to the
others.

If you talk to the historians, like Crosby Brown (State of
Missouri Historical
Society-retired), he'll tell you the frogs where thick in
this country, they even ran Ft. deChartre for the English,
just because of their numbers and worked at that fort after
the Americans took over. The Spanish appeared only after the
territory was released to Spain by the French when loosing
the F&I War, because of this some of the French living in
the area recorded or changed their names to a Spanish like
name.

Look at the fight that the French and Indian friends kicked
the crap out of the Spanish in the south-eastern  corner of
Kansas/Missouri - the buffalo robe recording this fight can
be seen in Santa Fe at the Governor's Palace. The Spanish
where not as welcome as they like to think.

Buck
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  From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>

TrapRJoe and others,

With all due respect, St. Louis was founded by Pierre
Laclede, a French fur trader, in 1764.

His adjutant was his 13-year old stepson, Rene Auguste
Chouteau, founder of the great French fur trading dynasty.

  Earlier French settlements in the area were Ste. Genevieve
(1750) and a series of settlements in the lower Ohio River
  valley dating to the 1730s. After the French and Indian
War, France (the loser) ceded the territory of Louisiana to
Spain. But Spanish never outnumbered Frenchmen in St. Louis
and the city remained French in culture and language
  until the 19th century. Part of what is confusing is that
most French inhabitants of St. Louis and Louisiana Territory
swore allegiance to Spain and simply recorded their names in
the Spanish version. Thus, the early explorer of the
Missouri River, Jacques d'Eglise, became, in the historical
records of St. Louis, Santiago de Iglesia (both names mean
the same thing and translate into English as "James
Church"). The Spanish were not first in St. Louis--either as
founders or in numbers of inhabitants or in importance in
the fur trade on the Missouri River. Manuel Lisa was a
late-coming exception to the domination of the Missouri
River trade by the French house of Chouteau and others. A
good documentary history of the Missouri fur trade before
the American possession of Louisiana Territory is A.P.
Nasatir, BEFORE LEWIS AND CLARK, 2 vols., paperback edition
available from Bison Books, University of Nebraska Press.
John Allen

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       Before the French in St. Llouis there were the
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:11:27 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket

 Ponyrider asked,
>could someone give us the offical material on the hundson bay blanket

Go to http://www.hbc.com/

Possum


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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:30:43 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket

Possum Hunter wrote:

> Go to http://www.hbc.com/

It's an interesting site.  Would love to be able to roam through their
archives for about a year or so =)

The exact web address for the point blankets is
http://www.hbc.com/hbc/e_hi/historic_hbc/point_blankets.htm

Regards from Idaho

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:21:19 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Hello the list,

Where can I purchase period correct sinew?

Thanks,
Victoria

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:48:40 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Victoria Pate wrote:

> Where can I purchase period correct sinew?

Victoria

I've seen several sources, the one that comes to mind is Moscow Hide and
Fur, on the web at:

http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/7945.html

Regards from Idaho

Lee Newbill


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:52:36 -0500
From: "TrapRJohn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots

Hi Frank,
    Last year I bought some regular leather at Prime Tanning in Berwick, ME.
At that time they told me they have waterproof leather for sale.  I was in a
hurry that day and didn't see it, and haven't gotten back there since.  I
don't have the address or phone number right off hand, but if you are
interested, I'll be glad to get it for you.  Let me know.
John Enos
TrapRJohn - YMHS - [e-mail] - AMM - White Mountain Party
"Don't Compromise Your Civil Rights, They are Yours!  Stand Up for What's
Right!"  -- TrapRJohn, Free Trapper --
"No Free Man Shall Ever be Debarred the Use of Arms!"  -- Thomas
Jefferson --
"The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!"  -- General John Stark --
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Subject: MtMan-List: shoes, boots


>
>     At one time someone sold a leather that was [supposedly] completely
> waterproof. Not just moisture resistant but truly "waterproof".
>     Enneybody know if it was for real and if it is still available?
> Frank G. Fusco
> Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:35:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Victoria.... Try Three Rivers Archery....<<A
HREF="http://www.3riversarchery.com/">www.3riversarchery.com</A>) they have
deer and ek sinew that we use to back bows.... Or, mebbe shoot a critter, and
pull the sinew from the legs or back...road kills are good too.

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:47:47 -0800
From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Victoria:
    I think I have some lying around here that you can just have. Contact me
off list.  Long John
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Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew


>
>
>Hello the list,
>
>Where can I purchase period correct sinew?
>
>Thanks,
>Victoria
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:33:55 -0600
From: Virden High School <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Crazy Crow sells it also.......donnie  they are on the net

[e-mail] wrote:

> Victoria.... Try Three Rivers Archery....<<A
> HREF="http://www.3riversarchery.com/">www.3riversarchery.com</A>) they have
> deer and ek sinew that we use to back bows.... Or, mebbe shoot a critter, and
> pull the sinew from the legs or back...road kills are good too.
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:45:34 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

> Victoria....

Or, mebbe shoot a
> critter, and
> pull the sinew from the legs or back...

 Ymos,
> Magpie

        Hey Magpie,
           Of the 4 million white tail deer in Texas, I
       saw about 150 of them walking through my parent's
       property during the holidays.  My parents
       live in a gated community in Central Texas where the
       deer are free to roam unmolested--no shooting allowed.
             I sorely wished I knew how to use a bow and
         arrow. <G>

       Victoria

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:48:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew

Victoria Pate wrote on 1/9/01 21:21:


>Hello the list,
>
>Where can I purchase period
>correct sinew?

The K Company 1-800-977-2788 has it in stock

Possum

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:42:07 -0700
From: "Terrance Luff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: hudson bay blkt

                     THANKS TO ALL
           i don,t care what the rumors are,
yu all are good looking and smart on top of it all
           all kidding a side, thanks to all
  harddog..will said
  buck..you gave me fast amo
  capt.l.  i guess im a fast bucker and injoy good fights. i am not like
vectora , you jab me with spurs(verb or steel) i will buck and not if. just
how hard. i have scares and moss on my back and few years humor and elder.
grin,
                                  pony rider

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:50:51 -0700
From: "Terrance Luff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: hudson blkt. anqt dealer

         whats that story, last laugh???
  little ole lady walks in (we know is dealer) bought tha blakt. and two
others. didn t whine about price . you got to love that gray power.
  just thought you would like the rest of the story.
                   ter
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:02:22 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures

Just put up some interesting pictures on the web regarding blackpowder.
Makes for some sobering viewing.

They can be viewed at:

http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/safety_problems.htm

Regards from Idaho

Lee Newbill
Clerk, HHML



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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:55:55 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures

In a message dated 1/11/2001 2:03:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Just put up some interesting pictures on the web regarding blackpowder.
 Makes for some sobering viewing.
  >>

Thanks Lee,  Could be a Darwin award nominee in here!  I'd bet on the
smokeless powder theory.  There just seems to be too much devastation to be a
short seated ball but it's certainly possible.  Was this gun made by one of
Mussolini's relatives??

Greg (mule man) Sefton

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:41:08 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots

Richard James ([e-mail]) wrote:
 >Any way you cut it - army boots just aren't Fur Trade Period.

Well, I have no idea what U.S. army boots are like; perhaps they have no
resemblance to the boots my husband got when he was with the Air Cadets in
Canada. These boots are smooth black leather, with leather soles, and lace
to just above the ankles. They are identical, except for the seam lines, to
'shoes' sold by a couple of sutlers as being suitable for War of 1812, and
to an illustration of 'shoes' from the period which I found in a book on
historic footwear.

In the Canadian fur trade, we know that moccasins were not the only
footwear, since excavations of fur posts have turned up shoe buckles;
"English shoes" are also mentioned in the journal of a Canadian fur trader,
Philip Turnor I believe. If you'd like more details, I'd be happy to supply
them; I'm vague right now just because this research is a couple of years old.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:01:27 -0700
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:02:06 -0600

I am leaving this morning for the far northern tundra of Indian Territory to
throw down with my brothers of the Texas/Oklahoma Brigade on the soggy banks
of Lake Humphries, near Duncan.  We are expecting no fewer than a dozen or
more brothers and guests with high hopes for upwards of twenty.  The
booshway has provided fifty pounds of buffalo meat for our roasting sticks.
Sounds like what we call down south "a big time".  Therefore, don't expect
answers to any personal email until Sunday evening...if then.
Lanney Ratcliff


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:57:45 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots

sounds like Brogans to me.....   I bet most of us were assuming US
Military...  hardtack

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