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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:42:13 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Thanks Teton!!!
> Can't wait. As I said before, hope ole Titus doesn't go under.
>
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover >>
>
They wouldn't DARE kill off Titus!!! We ought to form a possee and scalp
the author if'n he does...
Ad Miller
Alderson, WV
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:48:25 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Alafia Rendezvous
This here's an open invite to any on these lists... Will be at the Alafia
and if y'all get a chance, stop by tha camp. The MOUSE HOUSE will be in the
woods off to the RIGHT as you come in the main gate. You'll know by the
Irish flag and Cross of St Andrew flying from the flag pole, and the MOUSE
HOUSE sign out front... Just ask the Ifotmation people where Tex and Mouse
are, and they ccan tell you... Have met many of you, and look forward to
meeting more... Like I said... coffee's always on, mead is brewed, and
there's always something in the pot... just ain't sure what...
Hawk, Capt Fred, Mole Eyes, Crooked Hand, Hilljack... ya'll BEST stop by, or
suffer the WRATH of the MOUSE!!! Hehe... ask Billy about that... *grins*
Ad Miller
Alderson, WV
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:43:01 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs?
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Ole,
Sorry it took so long to get back with you. Brighton Feed number
is: (800) 237-0721 Times are Mon. -Fri. 8-5:30. Rex can be reached
at: (307) 837-2221.
Hope you find some good ones. In fact, I haven't seen mine for a
while, better see where they disappeared to.
mike.
my web pages
"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> Mike,
> Do you have any phone numbers or e-mail info?.
> YMOS
> Ole #718
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> >From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs?
> >Date: Tue, Jan 2, 2001, 6:58 AM
> >
>
> >Ole,
> > Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember
> >right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones
> >pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they
> >don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed
> >mine a few years ago.
> > mike.
> >
> >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> >
> >> Gentelmen & Ladies
> >> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English
> >> front and with a Western style Rowl?.
> >> YMOS
> >> Ole # 718
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Ole,
<br> Sorry it took so long to get back with you. Brighton
Feed number
<br>is: (800) 237-0721 Times are Mon. -Fri. 8-5:30. Rex can be reached
<br>at: (307) 837-2221.
<br> Hope you find some good ones. In fact, I haven't
seen mine for a
<br>while, better see where they disappeared to.
<br>
mike.
<p> <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~amm1616">my web pages</a>
<p>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Mike,
<br>Do you have any phone numbers or e-mail info?.
<br>YMOS
<br>Ole #718
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<br>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
<br>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs?
<br>>Date: Tue, Jan 2, 2001, 6:58 AM
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<p>>Ole,
<br>> Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember
<br>>right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones
<br>>pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they
<br>>don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed
<br>>mine a few years ago.
<br>>
mike.
<br>>
<br>>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
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<br>>> Gentelmen & Ladies
<br>>> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold?
(English
<br>>> front and with a Western style Rowl?.
<br>>> YMOS
<br>>> Ole # 718
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:54:41 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
It's been very interesting reading about peoples' problems with footwear.
My husband got a hankering to have some proper shoes c.1806, in addition to
his nice quilled & brain-tanned moccasins. His problem is that he wears
size 14 shoes, which no sutler stocks, so that would mean buying
custom-made shoes. As we researched who could do the job, we also looked
into historic styles. My husband's packrat tendencies came to the
rescue--it turned out that his 30-year-old army boots were almost exactly
the right style, give or take a seamline or two. So he wears those.
The only problem? He happened to mention his good luck, and now he's been
razzed for wearing army boots...
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:38:33 -0500
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
Aye, there's the info I was looking for, someone who had
done this with success. Key bit of data is that the hair-in
moc is used as a liner with an outer shell moc. Since I've
got relatively poor circulation in my feet this is especially
important. Seems that the greased outer moc would be
made specifically to accomodate this thick liner as it
would be far too big on it's own. My experience with
wool and with sheep liners is that the sole crushes all
too quickly to an ineffective paper-thin layer. Hopefully
the heavier buff will hold up longer.
Thanks!
Tom
SWzypher@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/5/1 07:10:46 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
>
> << In your experience
> do you find that a hair-in moc (buff for example)
> behaves similar to wool by insulating well even
> when wet or are you lining a regular moc with
> wool wrapping?>>
>
> NOT from Cap't, but an eavesdropper to the site:
> I have made mocs very successfully to serve me in foul weather. They had a
> core of side-seam buff (hair-in) mocs. Then another moc to cover the first
> made with high tops stitched on (can be hard sole - the best - or side seam.
> I've done both) Now these cover mocs were waterproofed with patch grease.
> Works well unless you hold your feet up to the fire, then they sweat through
> from the snow on the outside. I have had cold feet with this arrangement and
> walked five steps (I counted them) and my feet were warm. I spent an entire
> day filming on the highest peak at Snowbird (Utah ski resort - had to go in
> in a chopper) - dead of winter. By the end of the day the cinematographer
> and all the crew - who spent half their time in the helecopter and had fine
> modern footgear - had wet, cold feet. Mine were still "toasty". Hair-on
> sheep hide is fine if you don't have buff. The old statement that a wool
> blanket is the only wrap in which you can be wet and yet be warm holds true
> here, also. Buff wool, or sheep wool - worked for me. Perhaps a wrap of
> wool blanket would, by the same principle work pretty well.
> If you choose to try it - my best wishes. A note: I won't expand this
> message, but to wrap a high-top moc, you do NOT criss-cross two laces like a
> Prince Valliant illustration. One only spiraled to the top is the Indian way
> and works best. If you want to try it and are puzzled - write me.
> Richard James
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:10:44 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
Oh Gawd...... Don't let em sweet talk ya ... Victoria! ...<G>
To put an end to this, I think the question was what does "say not"
mean....
Well, Capt,
it's kinda like "aye" to the Canucks....<G> ....but mostly means, "don't ya
think?" ... or "tell me I'm wrong"..... or somethin like that....
Mapgie,
Well bless your little heart, you split tounge yankee scoundrel. You'all
just butt out with your loose laid opinions. I'm lookin for facts Sir'a, not
speculation! <G>
Capt. Lahti'
ps. sounds reasonable. It is an unusual way of just saying "am I right or
what?".
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:32:17 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
In a message dated 1/7/1 11:03:26 AM, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes:
<<The only problem? He happened to mention his good luck, and now he's been
razzed for wearing army boots...
>>
Any way you cut it - army boots just aren't Fur Trade Period.
Most sincerly
Richard James
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:34:56 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
In a message dated 1/7/1 02:39:18 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
<< My experience with
wool and with sheep liners is that the sole crushes all
too quickly to an ineffective paper-thin layer. Hopefully
the heavier buff will hold up longer.
>>
Tom - I have worn out two shells and liners in mocs of this sort and never
had any problem with crushing. For comparisons I weigh over 200 pounds.
Richard James
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:18:34 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
Tom,
Another consideration no matter what type of winter moc configuration you go
with, considering your poor circulation, is plenty of room inside for your
feet to move and your toes to wiggle. Nothing will give you cold feet
quicker than a tight shoe.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:26:20 -0500
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
Capt'n
That's a certainty, and all too easily overlooked
(or screwed up) during construction. Patterning
a hair-in moc seems like it will be just a bit more
complicated than a regular side seam. The only
conflicting challenge to this is unsure footing
due to excess looseness. Only trial will tell and
one can always add a bit of padding to tighten.
Thanks,
Tom
Roger Lahti wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Another consideration no matter what type of winter moc configuration you go
> with, considering your poor circulation, is plenty of room inside for your
> feet to move and your toes to wiggle. Nothing will give you cold feet
> quicker than a tight shoe.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:47:27 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
> Any way you cut it - army boots just aren't Fur Trade Period.
Richard,
With all due respect, I'm not that sure about this. Reading through the
bills of lading of goods going west with the Trading companies, there are
mention of barrels of shoes or boots and surely such were worn by other than
the few partners around. Not to say they were universally worn or lasted a
season but............
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:53:14 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
The only
> conflicting challenge to this is unsure footing
> due to excess looseness.
Tom,
One thing that seems to help this is to make a 1+- inch wide strap that
comes under the instep and up the sides just about 2 inches. With a thong
passed through holes in each end of the strap, from side to side and the
excess wrapped around the ankle over the moc, extra play is taken up
effectively and in an area where the advantages of looseness is not so
important for keeping toes warm. The strap also seems to help with traction.
Try it.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:43:09 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: : Re: MtMan-Book
Dr. Allen and Manbear,
Thank you for taking the time
to respond to my query about the
Russian-American Fur Company.
Much obliged,
Victoria
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:11:21 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: : Re: MtMan-Book
> Victoria,
>
> There's a great story of Wilson Price Hunt spending 45 days at New
> Archangel
> (Sheetka) <Sitka>, trading with Governor Baranoff for furs to ship
> to Canton.......
>
...Read "Astoria", it's very good stuff....
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
Magpie,
I have "Astoria" and "Adventure at Astoria 1810-1814"
by Gabriel Franchere (1786-1863), who was under contract
to Astor's Pacific Fur Company.
I also have Peter C. Newman's 3 volume work on the
HBC.
I can't decide on which book to read after I finish
