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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:07:22 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
In a message dated 12/20/0 07:35:28 PM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes:
"it mentioned there were even some people from the Sandwich
Islands. "
Teton's explanation is correct. They hired on on the sailing ships then for
a better wage - or just to get ashore - hired on on the west coast with HBC.
If you look on a map around the southwest corner of Idaho (Fort Boise
country) you will see a river, a park and a number of geographical sites
named the phonetic Owyhee. Later, in 1868, when the government was treating
with the Sioux at Fort Laramie the interpreter was half Owyhee and half
Indian and half drunk. He told the whites what they wanted to hear and the
Lakota what they wanted to hear so both sides came away happy. The Lakota
believing being incorrect lead to the major shoot-'um-ups we read about in
the years that followed. I just looked for a book (journal) I have
somewhere that tells about the early Owyhees. Can't find it but its about an
Astorian that stayed on at the Fort (Astoria) when the British took it over.
He also mentions the Iroquois that came out with the HBC bunch and lingered
on in the west - wives, kids, et.al. It was largely these Iroquois that were
with Peter Skeen Ogden when he had that run-in with Johnston Gardner (May
1825 - about 8 miles east of here) who defected and came over to the
Americans with their plews.
R. James
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:29 -0600
From: "jdearing" <jdearing@brick.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan
,
> I got my first Flintlock a little while ago and am
> going out to shoot it for the first time at a friends farm this New
> Years and I suddenly realized I have a big question as I've only
> previously shot Cap Locks, what I was wondering is do you Prime the Pan
> with regular old Black Powder or is there a finer grade "Priming Powder"
> ? I know that must be and easy one but the few friends I have who shoot
> Black Powder use Cap Locks and didn't know either! Also if so does any
> one know and online
> source? Thanks in advance!!!
>
Yes FFFFG is commonly used for priming, but for hunting or trekking it's
more
trouble than it's worth to mess with a priming horn. I usually prime with
FFFG,
right out of the main horn, and often with FFG when shooting the King's
Musket.
If you MUST use priming powder, you can get by pretty well by placing a
SMALL amount of powder, just enough to cover the bottom of a 35 MM film
canister and crush it with a wooden dowel.
I bought a pound of priming powder about ten years ago and have yet to use
1/4
of it. A waste of money, if you ask me.
BTW, ya gotta use real black powder in flintguns. Pyrodex won't work.
J.D.
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:06:19 -0800
From: "Gary A. Bell" <microptics@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
Trade ships rounding the horn from the east coast made course for the Sandwich
Islands (aka Hawaii), and would there reprovision. They next set course for
the Northwest to trade for furs with the coastal tribes, and thence to China to
exchange the furs for spices and other trade goods. Journeys were long and
hard on the crews, and they commonly recruited new crew members wherever they
touched land. Sometimes the recruitment was forced (can you say enslavement).
The Kanakas frequently lost their taste for sea going life and the folks who
lived it, and left the ships when they hit the northwest. Viola.
Lewis and Clark hoped to meet a yankee trade captain when they reached the
Pacific, and were keenly disappointed to not find one. They had made copies of
their logbooks and parceled out specimens to send back by sea with a volunteer.
They did find native tribes wearing sailor's clothing who spoke some English
words, "powder" "shot" and "damn rascal"
I have an interesting book recounting the true story of an American sailor who
came to be a slave to a Nootka chief on Vancouver Island for three years, who
escaped and made his way back to the east coast, and gained considerable
literary fame selling his story. I will dig the title and such out of the
garage if anyone is interested.
Heron
Todd Glover wrote:
> Sometimes refered to as "Owyhees" or "Kanakas," there indeed were native
> Sandwich Islanders in the mountains. They were mostly attached to HBC
> brigades led by McKenzie or Ross or Ogden. How did they get there?
> Various paths, aboard Astorian ships and later British traders supplying
> the Pacific coast is one of the best explanations.
> Hope no one starts wearing grass skirts and flowery shirts and leis
> around the rendezvous!
>
> Teton
> #1784
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:14:20 EST
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
Pick up a copy of "Kanaka - The Untold Storu of Hawaiian Pioneers in British
Columbia and the Pacific Northwest," by Tom Koppel (Whitecap Books,
Vancouver/Toronto, 1995) It has a lot of info regarding Sandwich Islanders
involvement in the fur trade.
Jim Hardee, AMM 1676
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:16:11 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
In a message dated 12/20/00 10:46:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tetontodd@juno.com writes:
<< wearing grass skirts >>
pretty comfy...but heard they are killer to braintan!!!! <VBG>
- -C.Kent
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:22:04 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
In a message dated 12/20/00 11:13:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
microptics@earthlink.net writes:
<< I will dig the title and such out of the
garage if anyone is interested. >>
Am very interested...Thanks.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:59:04 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
USA Today, Wed. 12-20-2000, p.7A.
Tennessee: LaFollette -
The first 50 elk of a planned release of 400 were released in eastern
Tennessee. The reintroduction comes more than a century after elk
disappeared from the Appalachian Mountains because of overhunting and
disappearing habitat. Federal officials plan to release 25 elk next
spring in the Smoky Mountains.
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from Michigan
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:09:35 EST
From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan
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4F powder is the finest and prefered for priming powder. If'n you don't have
access to it yore regular powder will work, just a little slower ignition
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as killed
this past season in Virginia! Seems they released several in the mountains
to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't have an
Elk season there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless. Seems it had
an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically that an
Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but be sure
to tag it...
Will wonders never cease...
Ad Miller
Alderson WEST Virginia
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:37 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
Wonder if I can get away with that up here in WA. Course first I got to hit
an elk! Tried a couple times this fall and failed miserably. <G> I'd heard
that they have released elk back east in a couple places trying to
reintroduce them. Doing the same with Grizz out west. WA and Idaho have
gotten plants of grizz. Wolves too. Pretty soon it won't be safe to go in
the woods no more. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:54:30 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
There were some Tule Elk released near here (central coast of calif)
about 13 yrs +/- ago. The herd is doing well. Within the first month ,
or so, of the release some illegal alien poached one. He was caught and
sent to prison. hardtack
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:18:38 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan
I would disagree that granulation has much to do with speed of
ignition. I've used only 2F in my musket for many years with good fast
results.
If the lock sparks well and throws the spark to the center of the pan, and
the flash hole is properly positioned so that a sparse trickle of powder in
the bottom of the pan allows the "flash" to rise over the face of the
hole: consistently speedy ignition is the result.
A too weak lock spring can make powder considerations moot. A soft frizzen
that won't spark, or poor lock, or lock to flash hole geometry; can make
shooting impossible.
Burying the flash hole in too much powder is the #1 most common cause of
hang fires and slow ignition. If over full the powder must burn down to
the flash hole and sometimes seals the hole with carbon before ignition
occurs. That slows things down.
John...
Remember August 1, 1794!!!
Whence first began imposition of tyranny by the elitist majority.
The big mistake was in not shipping Alexander Hamilton and all the other
unrepentant Tory sympathizers back to England forever. Anglophiles are
their latest mutation and undeserving of sympathy or credibility.
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:53:31 -0500
From: "Maryln Adams" <MIA3WOLVES@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step to
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If anyone is interested in Elk Hunting (legally) in the East, Kentucky =
is planning a lottery for 10 Elk next year. It will cost the hunters $10=
per chance and 10 chances will be drawn. The lottery is open to everyon=
e, regardless of residency. The hunt will be near Pikeville (south east =
KY) They are using this as a method to raise capital to buy more elk to =
release.
Red Hawk
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From: Roger Lahti
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:09 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step to
Wonder if I can get away with that up here in WA. Course first I got to h=
it
an elk! Tried a couple times this fall and failed miserably. <G> I'd hear=
d
that they have released elk back east in a couple places trying to
reintroduce them. Doing the same with Grizz out west. WA and Idaho have
gotten plants of grizz. Wolves too. Pretty soon it won't be safe to go in
the woods no more. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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