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hist_text-digest      Saturday, December 23 2000      Volume 01 : Number 696



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: This years hunting
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Slow or bad ignition of Flintlocks
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward  restoring
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Hallmark x-mas tree ornament!!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Elk hunting in Nebraska
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan
-áááááá [Fwd: MtMan-List: Firearm Question]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
-áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Loking for Bear Paw Trading Post.
-áááááá MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory
-áááááá MtMan-List: Beaver &  ... [OT] Deer news items
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory
-áááááá MtMan-List: PF 2001

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:41:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: This years hunting

In a message dated 12/21/00 8:04:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  I had already made up my mind that I had already enjoyed the best part of
the hunt - trailing them.  I had come to the conclusion that if I didn't fill
my tag during the season that it was ok by me.   >>

I feel the same way.  Meat on the table is great but the process is what
makes it worth while.  I took my new Tulle hunting for the first time this
year.  Spent all season walking the country with the deer always somewhere
else (the farm I hunt got harvested early so deer moved on) had several
chances to take an 'iffy' shot and passed on them.  Last day of black powder
season 15 minutes or so before legal sunset I said to my self great season,
had fun, time to stroll home.  Not figuring on getting a deer at all at that
point I took a short cut across an open field rather than thru and around the
woods.  Strolling along  relaxed when up pops a button buck, well the years
of shooting a flinter made sure my Tulle now has made meat.  Not a lot but it
is tender and the season ended on a high note.  But as you said the best part
of the season was the hunt itself, sunrise and sunset on a cold snow covered
morning are magic.  Red fox passing by without paying any attention to you as
they hunt what more can you ask for.  Those of us in this small community of
history buffs share a world that we can only thank the stars for the chance
to live.  May you all have a safe, healthy and fulfilling new year.

YHOS

C. T. Oakes

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:41:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Slow or bad ignition of Flintlocks

One thing that is often missed in the training of people on flintlocks is
flint selection.  I went for several years with a really fine gun that
occasionally gave me head aches due to poor ignition.  After eliminating the
common problems of over priming the pan and not using a pick to insure a
clear touch hole etc. a gun builder friend took a look at my gun on the range
one day.  He quickly told me WRONG flint.  If the flint is too long (touching
the frizzen when at half cock) it may spark to high and not direct the spark
into the pan.  This is also a problem, I have been told, with some poorly
designed locks.  If the flint is too short it does not scrape off enough
spark on its way to the pan.  I now leave about an eigth of an inch between
my flint and the frizzen when at half cock and have little trouble.  The
position can vary due to the lock design.

Another thing that can happen is that a flint that is too wide may not travel
the full arch to the pan when it is fired.  This can happen because the flint
is interfered with on its way down by striking stock or barrel as it is too
wide for the lock.

And yet another cause of poor/failed ignition is over tightening of the bolts
that attach the lock to the stock.  You will sometimes find (especially on
older guns which have been cleaned and reassembled a lot) that the bolt that
goes thru the stock and into the lock plate at the rear end will be
protruding thru the lock plate just a little.  And on many locks this is
right in line with the arch/travel of the cock.  If it protrudes enough it
can stop the lock dead in its travel but often it just slows it, sort of like
a weak main spring, resulting in poor ignition.  A little work with a file
can fix this problem.

But once you master the flint lock you never go back to cap guns.  I love our
winter shoots where caps fail due to the extreme cold all the time and the
rocks just keep on sparking.  Got to love the rocks.

YHOS

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:50:39 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan

Thanks for all the great advice guys! I'll let ya all know how it went
come the New Year!! Thanks again!!!       I Remain, M.A Smith

"In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World"     Thoreau

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward  restoring

In a message dated 12/21/0 07:17:50 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<where they re-introduced
Elk shot about a 400 pound doe. >>

Jim - they are called "cows" - not beef cows, just elk cows.
RJ

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:16:37 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?

And for those of us who like to read and explore the outer reaches of the
fur trade (and all the individuals involved in it, in any shape and form), one
area that might be over looked is the contact the missionaries, who went
to our rendezvous had with these people. "The Mountains We Have Crossed"
 (diaries and letters of the Oregon Mission) have alot of information of the
missions set up there in Hawaii. The success of these (nothing like what the
ones who
settled in Oregon had, those in Hawaii grew fast and big, so some ended up
going there and on to successful- if you want to call it that, ministries) and
how some of these people became servants to them. Seems a fair amount of
travel went on between the northwest and the islands. Which usually took 20
- - 25 days on the water, one way. The book is a great resource for back
ground information and insights on the ladies who came to the rendezvous.
                                                mike.
[e-mail] wrote:

> Ho List,
>
> I was reading a book the other day that was written for juveniles about the
> Fur trade era.  It seemed pretty historically accurate on most points.  When
> describing the backgrounds of trappers and folks one would find at a
> rendezvous it mentioned there were even some people from the Sandwich
> Islands.  Does this seem correct?  Has anyone out there heard of this?  If
> so, what was the route/means by which these people made it into the Rockies?
>
> "Keep your nose to the wind and your eyes on the skyline"
>
> =C.Kent
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:42:18 -0600
From: Virden High School <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hallmark x-mas tree ornament!!

Merry Christmas to everryone. Has anyone seen the Hallmark, Mtn Man
Christmas tree ornament, it is copper color and he is on a horse . It is so
cool.  Donnie

Jim Lindberg wrote:

> A kid from southern Wisconsin hunting up north where they re-introduced
> Elk shot about a 400 pound doe.  Thought it was a big white-tail! (I
> guess), at least he did report it.
>
> Jim
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:26:49 -0600
From: "Jody & Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hunting in Nebraska

We have an elk lottery here too, unlimited, not just for residents.  From
what I hear the G&P take you out in their truck and say "Shoot that one."
Kinda like shooting cows in a feedlot.  It does raise a lot of money for
them tho.
Scott C
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:46:22 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question

larry pendleton wrote:

> Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or shotgun? A friend asked and
> I told him I know some fellers that might help.
> Thanks
>
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover
> #1784
>
> Todd,
>   Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or shotgun.  Perhaps your buddy could
> provide a little more info ?
>
> Pendleton
>
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Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at gun shows, was told they where
like "Tryon" and a few others in later years that assembled parts made in mass
quantities for the hardware, general store chains like Sears, Wards, etc.

The one's I looked at where of average workmanship and parts, nothing fancy,
rolled engraving, etc. Probably available after the Civil War like so many of
the farm guns in America.

Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:11:32 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan

John Kramer wrote:

> I would disagree that granulation has much to do with speed of
> ignition.  I've used only 2F in my musket for many years with good fast
> results.
>
> If the lock sparks well and throws the spark to the center of the pan, and
> the flash hole is properly positioned so that a sparse trickle of powder in
> the bottom of the pan allows the "flash" to rise over the face of the
> hole:  consistently speedy ignition is the result.............

Again my old friend has hit it dead center, thank you John. I have shot only
flint guns - pistols,shotguns,fowlers,rifles for 25 plus years, the last 15 of
those years has been with using the same powder for loading and priming. Look
at Grant's book on pouches and horns, probably half or more show one powder
container, the typical powder horn.  Granted some of the priming horns may have
been misplaced, but several of the shown "priming" horn descriptions are not
correct to a few that have handled them - on closer exam several where found to
hold salt , not powder. On close exam of old guns (ones in good cond.) look at
the size of the vent hole - much larger than what we normally use.

When you consider the amount of items one carries on themselves to keep their
weapon working and operating in a proper manner, carrying one horn makes a lot
of good sense. I have found that 2F works as well as any of the powders for
priming with the vent hole enlarged, like John has mentioned. I have been using
3F for loading and priming for several years (reduced charges from 2F load) on
the pistols, shotguns, fowlers and rifles - the reason is because of our
location here in the Stoney Mountains (Rockies) is seems easier to clean. Yet
when at Ft. DeChartre ILL for some reason, maybe the moisture 2F seems to clean
up easier, I know same charges, sight settings, etc. change from CO to ILL when
shooting at targets of the same distance - with same point of aim, same
distance, same target, my guns shoot low in ILL, from their CO setting.

Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:35 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: MtMan-List: Firearm Question]

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larry pendleton wrote:

> Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or shotgun? A friend asked and
> I told him I know some fellers that might help.
> Thanks
>
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover
> #1784
>
> Todd,
>   Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or shotgun.  Perhaps your buddy could
> provide a little more info ?
>
> Pendleton
>
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Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at gun shows, was told they where
like "Tryon" and a few others in later years that assembled parts made in mass
quantities for the hardware, general store chains like Sears, Wards, etc.

The one's I looked at where of average workmanship and parts, nothing fancy,
rolled engraving, etc. Probably available after the Civil War like so many of
the farm guns in America.

Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:22:03 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring

Ad
they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get
real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in
arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are
migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has
even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was
10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also
has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am
looking forward to hearing how he did----

while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was
another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy

believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett
greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his
equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded

HAWK

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
writes:
> My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as
> killed
> this past season in Virginia!  Seems they released several in the
> mountains
> to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't
> have an
> Elk season  there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless.
> Seems it had
> an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically
> that an
> Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but
> be sure
> to tag it...
>
> Will wonders never cease...
>
> Ad Miller
> Alderson WEST Virginia
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:46:55 -0700
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question

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- ---- Begin Original Message ----<BR>
> Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or <BR>
shotgun? A friend asked and I told him I know <BR>
some fellers that might help.<BR>
> Thanks<BR>
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover<BR>
> -----------------------<BR>
> Todd,<BR>
> =A0 Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or <BR>
shotgun. =A0Perhaps your buddy could provide a <BR>
little more info ?<BR>
> Pendleton<BR>
> ----------------------<BR>
Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at <BR>
gun shows, was told they where like "Tryon" and a <BR>
few others in later years that assembled parts <BR>
made in mass quantities for the hardware, general <BR>
store chains like Sears, Wards, etc.<BR>
<BR>
Buck Conner<BR>
- ---- End Original Message ----<BR>
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I too have seen a few of these guns, one a <BR>
double, the other a single shot; both percussion, <BR>
read somewhere that they made early cart. guns. <BR>
The ones I saw reminded me of the Western Field <BR>
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:56:43 -0800
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring

Over here in Georgia, we had about 6 or 7 of them get loose from a animal
farm and they were running around the woods in Cherokee county.  The first
year 5 of them were taken.  Since they were private property that got lose,
those that took them did not face any charges.  Last year there was a cow
and a young bull seen.
- ----- Original Message -----
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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step
toward restoring


> Ad
> they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get
> real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in
> arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are
> migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has
> even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was
> 10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also
> has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am
> looking forward to hearing how he did----
>
> while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was
> another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy
>
> believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett
> greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his
> equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded
>
> HAWK
>
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> > My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as
> > killed
> > this past season in Virginia!  Seems they released several in the
> > mountains
> > to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't
> > have an
> > Elk season  there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless.
> > Seems it had
> > an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically
> > that an
> > Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but
> > be sure
> > to tag it...
> >
> > Will wonders never cease...
> >
> > Ad Miller
> > Alderson WEST Virginia
> >
> >
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> 854 Glenfield Dr.
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:57:40 -0800
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring

Oops,

Seems the cow gave birth.  Do not know what happened to them, I think there
may be one or two still running around.


Frank V. Rago


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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step
toward restoring


> Ad
> they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get
> real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in
> arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are
> migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has
> even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was
> 10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also
> has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am
> looking forward to hearing how he did----
>
> while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was
> another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy
>
> believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett
> greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his
> equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded
>
> HAWK
>
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> > My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as
> > killed
> > this past season in Virginia!  Seems they released several in the
> > mountains
> > to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't
> > have an
> > Elk season  there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless.
> > Seems it had
> > an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically
> > that an
> > Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but
> > be sure
> > to tag it...
> >
> > Will wonders never cease...
> >
> > Ad Miller
> > Alderson WEST Virginia
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:04:55 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?

 >>I have an interesting book recounting the true story of an American
sailor who
came to be a slave to a Nootka chief on Vancouver Island for three years...<<

I just finished reading that one! Very interesting. The edition I read was
_White Slaves of Maquinna : John R. Jewitt's Narrative of Capture and
Confinement at Nootka_, John. R. Jewitt. Edited by Cara Patik. Heritage
House: Surrey, B.C., 2000. The bibliography cites a couple of other
editions also.

As for the Sandwich Islanders, I believe the first ones came to Astoria in
1811, just in time for David Thompson to pick one up (Coxe) for his return
back across the Rockies. They became an institution in the fur trade; Fort
Langley (near Vancouver, B.C.) interprets them, and their descendants still
live in the area--and practice the traditional Hawaiian religion; the
missionaries were too busy converting the Natives to bother with converting
the Kanakas. (I read about this in an article in _Equinox_ magazine several
years ago.)

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred



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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:07:53 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?

C. Kent,

Nathanial Wyeth also had some Kanakas working for him in 1835 according to
his journals.  They did some winter stuff, and decided that the islands were
warmer, and deserted poor Nat.  Guess you can't blame them.......

Allen

At 09:34 PM 12/20/2000 EST, you wrote:
>Ho List,
>
>I was reading a book the other day that was written for juveniles about the
>Fur trade era.  It seemed pretty historically accurate on most points.  When
>describing the backgrounds of trappers and folks one would find at a
>rendezvous it mentioned there were even some people from the Sandwich
>Islands.  Does this seem correct?  Has anyone out there heard of this?  If
>so, what was the route/means by which these people made it into the Rockies?
>
>"Keep your nose to the wind and your eyes on the skyline"
>
>=C.Kent
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:52:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands?

Anyone read the book "Kanaka - The Untold Story of Hawaiian Pioneers in
British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest," by Tom Koppel (Whitecap Books,
Vancouver/Toronto, 1995)  It has a lot of info regarding Sandwich Islanders
involvement in the fur trade.

Jim Hardee, AMM 1676

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:38:56
From: "jerry strobel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Loking for Bear Paw Trading Post.

I am looking for the address for Bear Paw Trading post in or around Newton,
Kansas. Run by Kevin Hiebert. Kevin is my stepmother Leann (Heinrichs)
Strobel's cousin. One of the fellas at Four Flags trading Post told me of
Bear Paw yesterday when I asked him if he knew Kevin. Please can anyone put
me on the right trail. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Y.M.O.S. Jerry
Strobel.
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:38:32 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory

Halloo

Just wanted to thank Dennis Miles for sending me a couple of pieces of
Ivory for use as a period pick for my dulcimer.  They are perfect for
what I wanted.  Thank you Good Sir!  I am in your debt.

Regards from the lands of Idaho

Lee Newbill
Pilgrim at Large


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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500
From: "Dennis Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory

Lee..
 My pleasure.. Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one
evening.. I will supply the adult beverages &  you supply the adult tunes...
Now all we need are some adults..
D



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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:18:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver &  ... [OT] Deer news items

USA Today, Fri. 12-22-2000, pp.17A-18A.
2 articles (1 by Tom Vanden Brook and other by John Ritter)

"Beavers thrived and became a threat to drinking water supplies in
Massachusetts after passage of a trapping ban in 1996.  The Legislature
had to reconstruct the law to allow some trapping."

"A 39-point buck: Mike Beatty shows buck he killed with a bow in
November in Greene County, Ohio [Ohio DNR photo via AP]."
jdm question: is it a new Boone & Crockett world record?

"Estimated white-tailed deer population
1. TEXAS - 4 million.
2. MICHIGAN - 1.8 million.
3. Mississippi, Wisconsin - 1.7 million each.
4. Alabama - 1.6 million.
5. Pennsylvania - 1.4 millon.
6. Georgia, Louisiana, New York, South Carolina, Virginia - 1 million
each.
(Ohio - 475,000) (New Mexico - 10,000).
(14 states not available)
Source: Insurance Information Institute; state wildlife agencies.

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from Michigan
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:43:56 -0800
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory

If you want adults, I fear you may be on the wrong list.

Larry Huber

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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory


> Lee..
>  My pleasure.. Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one
> evening.. I will supply the adult beverages &  you supply the adult
tunes...
> Now all we need are some adults..
> D
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:00:34 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory

Dennis Miles wrote:

> Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one
> evening..

Happily done... you'll have to find someone to sing though if it's melodious ye
want <G>

> Now all we need are some adults..

I'm sorry Dennis... I have it on the best authority from me Mum, me darling
Wife,, and me two mostly grown daughters, that I don't qualify on that count.

Merry Christmas!

Lee Newbill of Idaho


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Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:26:37 -0500
From: "Dennis Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory

 I'm sorry Dennis... I have it on the best authority from me Mum, me darling
 Wife,, and me two mostly grown daughters, that I don't qualify on that
count.


Well Lee... It seems we are in the same boat... My Good Wife laughed almost
hysterically at the prospect off me or  any of the Brothers she knows being
"adult"... Oh well, we will ha' more fun without 'em...<BG>
D



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Subject: MtMan-List: PF 2001

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