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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #680 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 680 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Dogs & 'Vous -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & 'Vous -áááááá MtMan-List: Sign Language -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: dogs -áááááá MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs -áááááá MtMan-List: Dogs - Cows -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sign Language -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs -áááááá MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons -áááááá MtMan-List: Louis and Clark expedition -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark expedition -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons -áááááá MtMan-List: Pulse?? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:35:35 -0600 From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca> Subject: MtMan-List: Dogs & 'Vous I have had a lot of dogs in my 51 years. A few times, I have had to put a dog down for "unacceptable behaviour" and it broke my heat every time. I love them little critters! I have also kept stock, horses, and had to defend my stock from feral dogs. I didn't shed any tears for shotgunning dogs that had been after my stock and I hunted them with all the gusto of a she bear defending her cubs. I had an old Bloodhound a few years back and, when I moved to my present place, she escaped a couple of times. She was terrible shy of people and wouldn't have gone to a stranger, but she was friendly with other animals so I went and talked to the cattle and horse people in the area. She was old, hard of hearing, and her eyes weren't too good. One feller up the road had cattle and said that if he saw my dog near his cattle, he'd kill her. I said he shouldn't do that, that she wouldn't hurt any animal - he said he didn't care, that he'd shoot her anyway - I said that if he shot my old friend, he'd better make sure his cattle never got out and that his dog never left his property! Some people got more stupids than common sense!!! Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:23:16 -0800 From: "Gary A. Bell" <microptics@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & 'Vous "Best, Dianne" wrote: > ....any animal - he said he didn't care, that he'd shoot her anyway - I said > that if he shot my old friend, he'd better make sure his cattle never got > out and that his dog never left his property! > > Some people got more stupids than common sense!!! Common sense, perhaps the best oxymoron. Nothing at all common 'bout good sense. Downright rare. Heron - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:44:00 -0800 From: "Gary A. Bell" <microptics@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Sign Language - --------------77F280B01D287018C8DA3ED7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Orr <Htorr@aol.com> wrote I like that term Army Sign Language. Maybe it could be called ASL for short. I am not sure if that term has been used before. Tom Orr Hi Tom, sorry, American Sign Language is the big sign talk for the historically challenged majority. In addition to the 'dog' sign (pun slipped in there -- huh!) there appears to be no known sign for fur or pelt. I think it is interesting that of all the books we've seen and all the discussion and personal experiences throughout our little coven of plains native sign language affictionados, with a collective experience of hundreds of years between us this Army filter on what we have available is amazing. Most popular theory is that the few writers that preserved any of this in the late 1800's only recorded the sign they used in their Army work. They were passing the tool to future Army officers and not recording already largely vanished cultures for later anthropologists to ponder. Anybody out there with information or thoughts we haven't covered? Heron - --------------77F280B01D287018C8DA3ED7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Tom Orr <Htorr@aol.com> wrote I like that term Army Sign Language. Maybe it could be called ASL for short. I am not sure if that term has been used before. Tom Orr Hi Tom, sorry, American Sign Language is the big sign talk for the historically challenged majority. In addition to the 'dog' sign (pun slipped in there -- huh!) there appears to be no known sign for fur or pelt. I think it is interesting that of all the books we've seen and all the discussion and personal experiences throughout our little coven of plains native sign language affictionados, with a collective experience of hundreds of years between us this Army filter on what we have available is amazing. Most popular theory is that the few writers that preserved any of this in the late 1800's only recorded the sign they used in their Army work. They were passing the tool to future Army officers and not recording already largely vanished cultures for later anthropologists to ponder. Anybody out there with information or thoughts we haven't covered? Heron</html> - --------------77F280B01D287018C8DA3ED7-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:06:16 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dogs No, I would not like to see a dog take down a cow....but you missed the humour or impossibility of the fact that I said a particular breed of dog, a Yorkie. The statement was said with tongue and cheek. Geezzzz, are we all a little up tight because there is no newly elected president or something??? Are your "chads" all over the floor or do you feel "dimpled"? Take it easy Frank :=) and have a nice holiday. Linda Holley Frank Fusco wrote: > Linda Holley wrote, > > <would love to see a little Yorkie take down a cow> > > First, Linda, I find it very sick that you would "love" to see a dog > maim or kill a cow. > One the incidents in which I lost cattle involved a medium sized dog > that attacked a cow and calf while in the birth process. The calf was > halfway out and the dog started chewing on its face. The terrified cow began > running with the hapless calf hanging out. I arrived only to see the cow > running, calf hanging out and the dog hanging onto the still alive but > mortally wounded calf. > It was days before I could corral the cow with the calf still not > delivered but dead inside the mother who was now seriously infected. I lost > a valuable purebred registered cow and a calf with potential as a champion > bull. Aside from the senseless loss of the animals and their suffering, it > cost me thousands of dollars. > I have treated sick and wounded animals and people but have never seen a > sight so disgusting before in my life as that cow running with her half-born > calf hanging out and the dog trying to eat the calf on the run. > I bet you would have "loved" to be there to see that. > I eventually shot the dog and would have done unspeakable things to the > owner if the law allowed. > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:14:33 -0800 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05610.1ACA39A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05610.1ACA39A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#b8b8b8> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05610.1ACA39A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:47:48 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs In a message dated 11/23/0 08:08:31 PM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: <<Just curious...how might one rate a modern Crow as "irresponsible" by our standards? Not so much HOW...but in what vein of thought? I have a curiosity about tribal cultures and their differing ways of approaching life. (Started when I had to deal with an asian in-law and led from there to Native American tribal cultures). Thanks for the info.>> A person has to be really careful about everything they say these days, don't they? or they will be picked up by some Democratic lawyer somewhere as being "Politically Incorrect" -- except me and I have been at this too many years to care or do anything but call it as it is. O.K. "irresponsible by our standards" as applied to some particular Indians I know. Not necessarily negative - akin to right-brained (like one of my sons) - - given more to the aesthetic than concern for time and financial security as we see it in the predominate society of the day and throughout centuries. Sort of the grasshopper in the grasshopper and the ant annalogy. This isn't much of an answer, but that wasn't much of a question, was it? Next?? R.James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:47:55 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs so - what's your message?? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:41:50 -0600 From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs I recognize that the code used in the "Re: section is archacic and possibly difficult for some to translate, but simply stated, he seems to be saying---- "Enough, already, about Dogs and Rendezvous." - ----- Original Message ----- From: <SWzypher@aol.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:47 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: help!dieingfromanoverdoseofrendezvousanddogs > so - what's your message?? > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Dogs - Cows Hey Frank, We raise and sell Boston Terriers (almost a period, American Breed).(1860's) They usually make more than a calf sells for, and they go at 6 - 8 weeks ! I think , I would shoot any cow that was dragging one of my dogs around all over the place !!!( we do keep them in a kennel and that remark was "tongue- in - cheek") I have lost a cow from dogs and know how you feel! Had the sheriff out to kill them, as they had been abandoned.He told me not to bother him again "Do it myself" grn ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:53:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Susan Gilbert" <sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:52:47 -0500, Addison Miller wrote: Hey... I ate dog when I was overseas... (Nam)... if fixed right... not too bad... *grins* Puppy best... Ad Miller Alderson, WV Our best friend was served dog at a banquet in China just 5 years ago. Mark says it's ok served as a hot roast, but he liked it better served cold and sliced for sandwiches the day after. It's still a very common dish in Aisa. Susan Gilbert 6 Beaver Camp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:59:48 EST From: Htorr@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sign Language - --part1_54.c53b6bf.27505af4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/2000 9:43:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, microptics@earthlink.net writes: > Subj: MtMan-List: Sign Language > Date: 11/24/2000 9:43:09 AM Pacific Standard Time > From: microptics@earthlink.net (Gary A. Bell) > Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Reply-to: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Hi! I was being facitious in my reference of ASL as Army Sign Language. I am also fluent in American Sign Language as well as Indian Sign. Tomkins book on Indian Sign Language was written about 1890 and, as far as I know, did not go through the "filter" of J.D. Clark's book designed for the military. Tom Orr > > Tom Orr <Htorr@aol.com> wrote I like that term Army Sign Language. > Maybe it could be called ASL for > short. I am not sure if that term has been used before. Tom Orr Hi Tom, sorry, American Sign Language is the big sign talk for the > historically challenged majority. In addition to the 'dog' sign (pun slipped > in there -- huh!) there appears to be no known sign for fur or pelt. I > think it is interesting that of all the books we've seen and all the > discussion and personal experiences throughout our little coven of plains > native sign language affictionados, with a collective experience of > hundreds of years between us this Army filter on what we have available is > amazing. Most popular theory is that the few writers that preserved any > of this in the late 1800's only recorded the sign they used in their Army > work. They were passing the tool to future Army officers and not recording > already largely vanished cultures for later anthropologists to ponder. > Anybody out there with information or thoughts we haven't covered? Heron > > - --part1_54.c53b6bf.27505af4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/24/2000 9:43:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, microptics@earthlink.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj: MtMan-List: Sign Language Date: 11/24/2000 9:43:09 AM Pacific Standard Time From: microptics@earthlink.net (Gary A. Bell) Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Reply-to: hist_text@lists.xmission.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Hi!</BLOCKQUOTE> I was being facitious in my reference of ASL as Army Sign Language. I am also fluent in American Sign Language as well as Indian Sign. Tomkins book on Indian Sign Language was written about 1890 and, as far as I know, did not go through the "filter" of J.D. Clark's book designed for the military. Tom Orr <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Tom Orr <Htorr@aol.com> wrote I like that term Army Sign Language. Maybe it could be called ASL for short. I am not sure if that term has been used before. </BLOCKQUOTE> Tom Orr Hi Tom, sorry, American Sign Language is the big sign talk for the <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">historically challenged majority. In addition to the 'dog' sign (pun slipped in there -- huh!) there appears to be no known sign for fur or pelt. I think it is interesting that of all the books we've seen and all the discussion and personal experiences throughout our little coven of plains native sign language affictionados, with a collective experience of hundreds of years between us this Army filter on what we have available is amazing. Most popular theory is that the few writers that preserved any of this in the late 1800's only recorded the sign they used in their Army work. ! They were passing the tool to future Army officers and not recording already largely vanished cultures for later anthropologists to ponder. Anybody out there with information or thoughts we haven't covered? Heron </XMP> </HTML> - --part1_54.c53b6bf.27505af4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:44:42 -0800 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs OK...now that we are in the "dog eat dog" mind set.... I ate dog in Yugoslavia one night. It was the only thing the Russian guards would let us have in the way of food after being detained at a boarder crossing...long story there. But it was very good. Would do it again any day, but not with my own dog. Lets' face it, it is still a specialty dish on a few reservations. Ever see some of the "old" pictures on how they prepared dog??? Like with octopus, I would rather eat it, than see it killed or cooked. Linda Holley Susan Gilbert wrote: > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:52:47 -0500, Addison Miller wrote: > > Hey... I ate dog when I was overseas... (Nam)... if fixed right... not too > bad... *grins* Puppy best... > > Ad Miller > Alderson, WV > > Our best friend was served dog at a banquet in China just 5 years ago. Mark > says it's ok served as a hot roast, but he liked it better served cold and > sliced for sandwiches the day after. It's still a very common dish in Aisa. > > Susan Gilbert > 6 Beaver Camp > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:27:47 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs R. James, Have to agree with you on that one! <VBG> The grasshopper analogy actually puts it in a good frame of reference... each tribal culture is that ...a culture of it's own and has to be taken that way. I do think that it is more a huge mistake (than it is insulting) to try and group folks into the category of "Indians" or Native Americans. One just loses too much info that way. And is just incorrect (much like a co-worker who asked if I could translate for an asian client who came into our office and, when asked his cultural background and nationality, looked at me stuppidly and said,"Asian...just asian". Did not give me much to go on when I went to speak to him - not offending politically to me, just didn't tell me what language he spoke!!) - -C.Kent PS>By the way, I share your view @ the concerns of the politically correct...I am not too old but maybe THEIR POLITICALLY CORRECT ways offend me..so let them practice what they preach and change so they do not offend me!!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:04:42 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs In a message dated 11/24/0 09:29:21 PM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: <<The grasshopper analogy actually puts it in a good frame of reference... each tribal culture is that ...a culture of it's own and has to be taken that way. I do think that it is more a huge mistake (than it is insulting) to try and group folks into the category of "Indians" or Native Americans. One just loses too much info that way. And is just incorrect>> I really don't know what you are working on - I just told you my impression of some Crow Indians whose friendship I really treasure. Sounds like we a leading to something like the obscure quote that says, "ALL Indians ALWAYS walk single file . . . . and I KNOW because the one I saw was walking that way". Best wishes and good night Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:57:54 From: "Robert Thomson" <hunter1828@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons Ho the List! Greetings all, I am wondering if anyone knows if anyone makes reproductions of Orange Coat Buttons. These buttons are listed in the 1835 Steamboat Diana inventories, the 1837 Rocky Mountain Outfit inventories, and the 1851 Fort Union inventories (among others). However, I can't even find an image of one. Any help on locating repros or images of originals would be appreciated. Thanks, Robert "Thanks to kind Providence, here I am again at good old Fort Union" Charles Larpenteur, 1838 - ---- Robert Thomson AMF Co Fort Union _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:06:51 -0000 From: "Ethan Sudman" <ethan_sudman@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Louis and Clark expedition Does anyone know of any good books on the Louis and Clark expidition? Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:19:01 From: "Robert Thomson" <hunter1828@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark expedition The best book on the Lewis & Clark expedition, in my humble opinion, is "Way to the Western Sea" by David Lavender. This book is out of print, but some bookstores probaly still have some in stock. A good narative and easy read (though lacking in some technical aspects) is "Undaunted Courage" by Stephen Ambrose. "Only One Man Died" by E.G. Chuinard details the medical aspects of the expedition and "Lewis and Clark among the Indians" by James Ronda deals specifically with the expeditions interactions with the Trans-Mississippi tribes. Hope that helps! Robert "Thanks to kind Providence, here I am again at good old Fort Union" Charles Larpenteur, 1838 - ---- Robert Thomson AMF Co Fort Union - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ethan Sudman" <ethan_sudman@hotmail.com> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Louis and Clark expedition Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:06:51 -0000 Does anyone know of any good books on the Louis and Clark expidition? Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:20:10 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons Robert, http://www.relicman.com/fedbutna.htm Click on this site. There are excellent photos of many buttons, = including one described as a navy cuff button from the 1830's which is = impressed on the back "warranted rich orange". =20 YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:24:25 From: "Robert Thomson" <hunter1828@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons Lanney, Thanks much! That was extremely helpful, now maybe we can find someone to reproduce something similar to this. I'm trying to find sources for the last few remaining trade goods to restock Fort Union's trade shop and these buttons have proved to be one of the more difficult items to track down. Watch yer topknot! Robert "Thanks to kind Providence, here I am again at good old Fort Union" Charles Larpenteur, 1838 - ---- Robert Thomson AMF Co Fort Union - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan List: Orange Coat Buttons Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:20:10 -0600 Robert, http://www.relicman.com/fedbutna.htm Click on this site. There are excellent photos of many buttons, including one described as a navy cuff button from the 1830's which is impressed on the back "warranted rich orange". YMOS Lanney Ratcliff _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:11:17 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Pulse?? Ho the List I am currently reading Astoria by Washington Irving and in it I came = across a curious reference that sent me to the Noah Webster 1828 = dictionary. The book describes the overland journey of Wilson Price = Hunt.......which was written by Irving, not from having been on the = trip, but from having free access to John Jacob Astor's records. Thus, = none of the observations were personal but are those of people who = actually were with Hunt. That said, there is a reference to crops being = raised by a particular group of Indians that included, corn, pumpkins = and "pulse". I had not encountered "pulse" in reference to a crop and = looked it up in the dictionary. It's beans....see the various mentions = from the dictionary below. So, if a journal or diary you are reading someday refers to "pulse" you = will know it refers to beans or other lugumes. This information and about $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at = Starbucks. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff PULSE, n. [L. pulsus, beaten out, as seeds; Heb. a bean, to separate.] = Leguminous plants or their seeds; the plants whose pericarp is a legume = or pod, as beans, peas, &c. POUSSE, corrupted from pulse, peas. LEGU'MEN, n. [L. legumen, lego to collect, and signifying that which = collects, or holds, or a collection.] 1. In botany, a pericarp or seed-vessel, of two valves, in which the = seeds are fixed to one suture only. In the latter circumstance it = differs from a siliqua, in which the seeds are attached to both sutures. = In popular use, a legume is called a pod, or a cod; as a pea-pod, or = peas-cod. 2. In the plural, pulse, peas, beans, &c. LEGU'MINOUS, a. Pertaining to pulse; consisting of pulse. Leguminous = plants are such as have a legume for a pericarp, as peas and beans. BEAN, n. A name given to several kinds of pulse, or leguminous seeds, = and the plants producing them. They belong to several genera, = particularly Vicia, Phaseolus and Dolichos. The varieties most usually = cultivated are, the horse bean, the mazagan, the kidney bean, the = cranberry bean, the lima bean, the frost bean, &c. The stalk is erect = or climbing, and the fruit generally roundish, oval or flat,and of = various colors. =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:26:13 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous and Dogs On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:53:36 -0600 (CST) "Susan Gilbert" <sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes: > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:52:47 -0500, Addison Miller wrote: > > Hey... I ate dog when I was overseas... (Nam)... if fixed right... > not too > bad... *grins* Puppy best... > > Ad Miller > Alderson, WV AD thats like the rabbit thery serve that makes a meouing sound--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #680 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.