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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #668 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, November 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 668 In this issue: -áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: woodswalk learning experience -áááááá Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers -áááááá Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers -áááááá Re: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Shaker stoves -áááááá MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -áááááá MtMan-List: woodswalk learning experience -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -áááááá MtMan-List: Woodswalk -áááááá MtMan-List: Seeking info.... -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -áááááá MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Seeking info.... -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote -áááááá MtMan-List: Traps for Sale -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Trapping ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:38:50 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: woodswalk learning experience <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT> - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> Several years ago at the Nov. Ft. deChartre "woodswalk",.......... At the last position he shot the first target (having no knife or hawk, as they where used on other targets), he ran full bore ....... Jack Gardner of TVM was in our group and was so impressed with the older man's move to finish the coarse, Jack later made him a real deal on a TVM flinter,.... Barry "Buck" Conner - ---- End Original Message ---- You left out the best part, Jack took the broken gun in trade, Freddie Harris restocked it and they gave it away as a prize the next year at Bridger. Jack and Freddie never let anything go to waste, they would have been real good at their trade a 150 years ago in St. Louis. </TT> <TT> Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit the HRD at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ ______________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:43:19 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> - ---- End Original Message ---- Roger, The five of us where sick for several days, and real lucky I woke up or we may not have had a second chance....... Take care, Barry "Buck" Conner - ---- End Original Message ---- Boy, was I glad Buck got sick and woke up, I was one of the five friends, Amend. Like that old bumper sticker "Stuff Happens". Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit the HRD at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ ______________________________________________ Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:13:46 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers You guys mind if I cut and paste these posts and send them out to mlml as a warning to a larger audience? Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers > > ---- Begin Original Message ---- > From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> > ---- End Original Message ---- > Roger, > The five of us where sick for several days, and > real lucky I woke up or we may not have had a > second chance....... > > Take care, > Barry "Buck" Conner > ---- End Original Message ---- > > Boy, was I glad Buck got sick and woke up, I was > one of the five friends, Amend. Like that old > bumper sticker "Stuff Happens". > > > > > > Later, > > Daniel L. "Concho" Smith > Research & Documentation for: > ______________________________________________ > HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT > "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". > ________________________________________HRD__ > > Visit the HRD at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ > ______________________________________________ > Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 05:36:42 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers <html><head><meta Name=3D'keywords' Content=3D'commtouch, pronto, mail, = free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communicatio= ns, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></he= ad><body ><div align=3D'left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT><BR= > - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:13:46 -0800 To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers You guys mind if I cut and paste these posts and send them out to mlml as a warning to a larger audience? Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Braziers > > ---- Begin Original Message ---- > =A0From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> > ---- End Original Message ---- > Roger, > The five of us where sick for several =A0days, and > real lucky I woke up or we may not have had a > second chance....... > > Take care, > Barry "Buck" Conner > ---- End Original Message ---- > > Boy, was I glad Buck got sick and woke up, I was > one of the five friends, Amen. Like that old > bumper sticker "Stuff Happens". > > Later, > > Daniel L. "Concho" Smith - ---- End Original Message ---- That's fine Capt. </TT> <TT>Take care, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ _____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ _____________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.co= m </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:56:25 -0600 From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Shaker stoves That's true, CC, and others. My tent (a Panther) doesn't seem to have that problem. When the flap is in it's rolled position (I might add that it must be rolled tight and well secured with good knots, it clears the stovepipe hole with plenty of room to allow for the slant of the tent. Likewise, I wouldn't want a stove that sits too high for fear of coming in contact with the tent fabric, especially on windy days when the tent canvas tends to move a bit. The stove should also be size-proportional to the space of the tent. Get one too big and you'll have an oven, not a shelter, not to mention loss of valuable space. That was a good point. As for braziers, let's use common sense. Unvented fires are always a bad idea. If the smoke doesn't get you, the CO will. HBC >Henry I just want to warn you about putting a stove in a pyramid tent. They >have one fire hazard built in to them. It is the flap that is sewn on to the >tent to cover the hole for the stove pipe. When in use with a stove this flap >is rolled and tied up out of the way but on some if not most of these tents >this roll is very close to the stove pipe. You want to check and make sure >this is not the case with yours. I burned a big hole in the side of a 10 >footer once because of this and have seen a couple others burn down over the >years because of it. If this is the case with yours there are two ways you >can fix it. If you will always be using a stove in it just cut the flap off >or take it to a tent smith and have them move the flap so it comes from the >bottom and have a short flap on top that it can slip under and tie in place >this will give you the water shed you need but when using the stove the flap >will be hanging down below the pipe not rolled up above the stove pipe. > Crazy Cyot > ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:50:25 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Just received this from Buck, possible threat to a neat site, read on. - -------------------------------------------- Denver News Wednesday,Nov.8,2000 Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. by Jim Robbins ________________________________ The New York Times. POMPEY'S PILLAR, Mont. - On the side of a sandstone bluff here, the explorer William Clark carved his first initial and last name and July 25,1806, the only place along the journey of several thousand miles where physical evidence of the Lewis & Clark expedition remains. Now as the West prepares for an influx of tourists who will trace the travels of Lewis & Clark during the bicentennial, a grain-exporting company is building a high-speed grain-loading plant in the shadow of the National Historic Landmark. The construction has raised the ire of historians, nationally and locally, who say the looming presence of four 150-foot concrete cylinders will ruin the ambiance of the isolated site. "It would be a shame if those silos go through," said Dayton Duncan, writer of Out West, a 1987 book on the Lewis & Clark and, with Ken Burns, writer and co-producer of the PBS documentary on the two men. The pillar, Duncan said, contains more than the marks left by Clark. "Not only did Clark sign it, but some of Custer's men had a skirmish with Sitting Bull, and their names are there, and there are Indian names." The plant is one of seven high-speed grain-loading plants being built in Montana by United Harvest of Portland, Ore. Construction began in August, but it was stopped in September after it was discovered that the company has never received an air quality permit from the state. The Pompey's Pillar Historical Association, a Montana non-profit group, appealed the permit in October, and state officials say construction will not resume until hearings have been held. The pillar is on the banks of the Yellowstone River, on 473 acres owned by the Bureau of Land Management, about 30 miles east of Billings, Montana's largest city, and is surrounded by farmland and pastures. Opponents of the grain elevator say the landscape has changed little since the 19th century. "It doesn't take much imagination with those vistas to imagine yourself as William Clark or Custer" Duncan said. "We spent a lot of time evaluating sites and after several months this is the only one that presented itself," said Chris Davis, business development manager for United Harvest. "We don't feel a facility like this would be out of place." Davis pointed out that the elevators would be just 100 yards from Interstate 90. Dan Krum of Worden, Mont., chairman of the Pompey's Pillar Historical Association, said the fight has sparked interest from Lewis & Clark aficionados around the country and some have sent donations as large as $500.00, anticipating a long battle. "They say they want to be good neighbors," Krum said of United Harvest. "But what they've done so far doesn't point to that." ____________________________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ _____________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:41:36 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com> Subject: MtMan-List: woodswalk learning experience This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C049B3.863A1160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Fusco wrote: =20 Randy Your description of your experience with woodswalk challenges was = very interesting. I have never competed in a survival walk of that type, = however I am printing out and keeping your post and will refer to it in the = event I ever do. =20 How did I miss the original post? I can't find it in archive either. = If it was actually off another list will someone post it here for the = rest of us. Thank You WY - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C049B3.863A1160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Frank Fusco wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Randy Your = description of=20 your experience with woodswalk challenges was very interesting. I = have never=20 competed in a survival walk of that type, however I am printing out = and=20 keeping your post and will refer to it in the event I ever=20 do. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How did I miss the original post? = I can't find it in archive either. If it was actually off = another=20 list will someone post it here for the rest of us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank You</DIV> <DIV>WY</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C049B3.863A1160-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:39:34 -0700 From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@wyoming.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C049B3.3D624D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us "Lewis and Clark" types--Jim Ronda, Steve Ambrose, Dayton = Duncan, Gary Moulton, and myself--have called, e-mailed, written hard = copy letters to both United Harvest and the Montana Department of = Environment. We've also, as indicated by the article from the Denver = paper, talked to newspaper reporters. So far the only response I've = received was from the president of the company who said, in effect, "we = don't think this will harm the site and we're determined to go ahead = with it because we've made promises to our customers." Too bad that a = wonderful historical site will be marred by such a development when = there are so many other places along the mainline of the railroad that = would work just as well. Montana's a big state! If any of you have = connections with either United Harvest or state government in Montana: = WRITE or CALL to register your protest. John Allen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel L. Smith=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. Just received this from Buck, possible threat to a neat site, read on. -------------------------------------------- Denver News Wednesday,Nov.8,2000=20 Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened.=20 by Jim Robbins=20 ________________________________=20 The New York Times.=20 POMPEY'S PILLAR, Mont. - On the side of a sandstone bluff here, the=20 explorer William Clark carved his first initial and last name and July 25,1806,=20 the only place along the journey of several thousand miles where physical=20 evidence of the Lewis & Clark expedition remains.=20 Now as the West prepares for an influx of tourists who will trace the travels=20 of Lewis & Clark during the bicentennial, a grain-exporting company is building=20 a high-speed grain-loading plant in the shadow of the National Historic Landmark.=20 The construction has raised the ire of historians, nationally and locally, who=20 say the looming presence of four 150-foot concrete cylinders will ruin the=20 ambiance of the isolated site.=20 "It would be a shame if those silos go through," said Dayton Duncan, writer of=20 Out West, a 1987 book on the Lewis & Clark and, with Ken Burns, writer and=20 co-producer of the PBS documentary on the two men. The pillar, Duncan said,=20 contains more than the marks left by Clark.=20 "Not only did Clark sign it, but some of Custer's men had a skirmish with=20 Sitting Bull, and their names are there, and there are Indian names."=20 The plant is one of seven high-speed grain-loading plants being built in Montana=20 by United Harvest of Portland, Ore. Construction began in August, but it was=20 stopped in September after it was discovered that the company has never received=20 an air quality permit from the state. The Pompey's Pillar Historical Association,=20 a Montana non-profit group, appealed the permit in October, and state officials=20 say construction will not resume until hearings have been held.=20 The pillar is on the banks of the Yellowstone River, on 473 acres owned by the=20 Bureau of Land Management, about 30 miles east of Billings, Montana's largest city,=20 and is surrounded by farmland and pastures. Opponents of the grain elevator say=20 the landscape has changed little since the 19th century. "It doesn't take much=20 imagination with those vistas to imagine yourself as William Clark or Custer"=20 Duncan said.=20 "We spent a lot of time evaluating sites and after several months this is the=20 only one that presented itself," said Chris Davis, business development manager=20 for United Harvest. "We don't feel a facility like this would be out of place."=20 Davis pointed out that the elevators would be just 100 yards from Interstate 90.=20 Dan Krum of Worden, Mont., chairman of the Pompey's Pillar Historical Association,=20 said the fight has sparked interest from Lewis & Clark aficionados around the=20 country and some have sent donations as large as $500.00, anticipating a long battle.=20 "They say they want to be good neighbors," Krum said of United Harvest. "But=20 what they've done so far doesn't point to that."=20 ____________________________________________________________=20 Later,=20 Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for:=20 _____________________________________________=20 HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT =20 ________________________________________HRD__=20 Visit these period camp sites at:=20 http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ _____________________________________________=20 Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com=20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C049B3.3D624D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META=20 content=3D"commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web = based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, = advertising banners, e-mail, free software"=20 name=3Dkeywords> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Several of us "Lewis and Clark" types--Jim Ronda, = Steve=20 Ambrose, Dayton Duncan, Gary Moulton, and myself--have called, e-mailed, = written=20 hard copy letters to both United Harvest and the Montana Department of=20 Environment. We've also, as indicated by the article from the Denver = paper,=20 talked to newspaper reporters. So far the only response I've received = was from=20 the president of the company who said, in effect, "we don't think this = will harm=20 the site and we're determined to go ahead with it because we've made = promises to=20 our customers." Too bad that a wonderful historical site will be marred = by such=20 a development when there are so many other places along the mainline of = the=20 railroad that would work just as well. Montana's a big state! If any of = you have=20 connections with either United Harvest or state government in Montana: = WRITE or=20 CALL to register your protest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>John Allen</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From:=20 <A title=3Ddlsmith@about.com href=3D"mailto:dlsmith@about.com">Daniel = L. Smith</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, November 08, = 2000 10:50=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis = & Clark=20 Memento Threatened.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV align=3Dleft> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Just received this from Buck, possible threat = to a neat=20 site, read=20 on. -------------------------------------------- Denver = News=20 Wednesday,Nov.8,2000 Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. = by Jim Robbins ________________________________ = The New=20 York Times. POMPEY'S PILLAR, Mont. - On the side of=20 a sandstone bluff here, the explorer William Clark carved = his first=20 initial and last name and July 25,1806, the only place = along the=20 journey of several thousand miles where physical evidence = of the=20 Lewis & Clark expedition remains. Now as the West = prepares=20 for an influx of tourists who will trace the travels of = Lewis &=20 Clark during the bicentennial, a grain-exporting company is = building=20 a high-speed grain-loading plant in the shadow of the = National=20 Historic Landmark. The construction has raised the ire=20 of historians, nationally and locally, who say the looming = presence=20 of four 150-foot concrete cylinders will ruin the ambiance = of the=20 isolated site. "It would be a shame if those silos=20 go through," said Dayton Duncan, writer of Out West, a 1987 = book on=20 the Lewis & Clark and, with Ken Burns, writer and = co-producer=20 of the PBS documentary on the two men. The pillar, Duncan said, = contains more than the marks left by Clark. "Not = only did=20 Clark sign it, but some of Custer's men had a skirmish with = Sitting=20 Bull, and their names are there, and there are Indian names."=20 The plant is one of seven high-speed grain-loading = plants=20 being built in Montana by United Harvest of Portland, Ore.=20 Construction began in August, but it was stopped in = September after=20 it was discovered that the company has never received an = air=20 quality permit from the state. The Pompey's Pillar Historical=20 Association, a Montana non-profit group, appealed the = permit in=20 October, and state officials say construction will not resume = until=20 hearings have been held. The pillar is on the banks = of the=20 Yellowstone River, on 473 acres owned by the Bureau of Land = Management, about 30 miles east of Billings, Montana's largest = city,=20 and is surrounded by farmland and pastures. Opponents of = the grain=20 elevator say the landscape has changed little since the=20 19th century. "It doesn't take much imagination with those = vistas=20 to imagine yourself as William Clark or Custer" Duncan = said.=20 "We spent a lot of time evaluating sites and after = several=20 months this is the only one that presented itself," said=20 Chris Davis, business development manager for United = Harvest. "We=20 don't feel a facility like this would be out of place." = Davis=20 pointed out that the elevators would be just 100 yards from = Interstate=20 90. Dan Krum of Worden, Mont., chairman of = the Pompey's=20 Pillar Historical Association, said the fight has sparked = interest=20 from Lewis & Clark aficionados around the country and = some have=20 sent donations as large as $500.00, anticipating a long battle. = "They say they want to be good neighbors," Krum said = of=20 United Harvest. "But what they've done so far doesn't point to = that."=20 ____________________________________________________________=20 </TT> <TT>Later, Daniel L. "Concho" = Smith Research &=20 Documentation for: = _____________________________________________=20 HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT=20 ________________________________________HRD__ Visit = these=20 period camp sites at:=20 = http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/<BR= >http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ __________________________________= ___________=20 </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at = http://About.com=20 = </TT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>----------------------=20 hist_text list info:=20 http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE></B= ODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C049B3.3D624D40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:15:40 -0600 From: "harddog" <harddog@mediaone.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Woodswalk Wy, Contact me off-list and I will send you a copy of the message I wrote to another list that Frank responded to on this list. It is rather long. Randy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:32:18 -0800 From: "atthesea" <atthesea@gte.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Seeking info.... Hello the List: I have asked this question of others, so here goes ... For several reasons, I am limited to using a caplock...and no darned apologies from me...am currently shooting a "indianized" read that a really modified CVA Mountain Rifle. Am interested in getting another BP rig for my monthly blanket shoot. For hunting, I will use the CVA .54, but for just shooting am interested if anyone on the list has experience with a Pedersoli Kentucky or a Pedersoli Pennsylvania Rifle, caplock in .45 or a Euroarms 1841 Mississippi in .54? Any thoughts or experience with any of the 3 possible choices listed? Thanks....will get to the point one of these days soon where I will buy something and am interested in your opinions. Out here on the Oregon Coast, not too many places close by to go pick one up, handle it, etc., so am needing some words for maybe someone with experience. Regards from rainy, windy and cool Coos Bay. Ghostrider - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:01:33 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. In a message dated 11/8/0 06:45:42 PM, jlallen@wyoming.com writes: << "we don't think this will harm the site and we're determined to go ahead with it because we've made promises to our customers.">> Made promises to their customers, my foot! Made promises to their investors, their creditors and their bank accounts is how it floats. Must have gone to Slick Willie's Evasive Dialogue School. R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote Can anyone elaborate further or give historical background on these? how often do they occur? they sort of sound like basic training (1800-1840 style) combined with wilderness survival. Very interesting posts [i.e., 199? November Fort DeChartre]. Also good information to know on Braziers. It's always painful to hear about a son losing his father - especially that way. Thank God you and your hunting buddies are still with us Buck. [OT] John: where can one find the source for that nifty quote in your sign-off? It reminds me of a quote in one of my 2 Scripture Books: "yea ... I will arm my women and my children" [63 B.C. Central America - similar to our modern-day Second Amendment Sisters and NRA Youth]. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 01:16:04 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Seeking info.... In a message dated 11/8/0 09:35:15 PM, atthesea@gte.net writes: <<Pedersoli Kentucky or a Pedersoli Pennsylvania Rifle, caplock in .45 or a Euroarms 1841 Mississippi in .54? Any thoughts or experience with any of the 3 possible choices listed?>> . . . Rider. My opinion: Pedersoli puts out some really nice pieces with an eye to historic correctness -- IF you allow these are production guns. Euroarms, on the other hand, is at the other end of the spectrum. That is: their quality control people either drink a lot or take frequent vacations. You CAN get a fair piece from them from time to time, though but you must check them out one at a time. As for CVA . . . They have potentially a nice-looking little gun in their Mountain Rifle (only), EXCEPT - it doesn't have enough drop. For economy reasons, they used stock-blank materials about 2" too narrow. As a result, the average shooter has to kind his head over and snuggle into the stock real tight to see the sights. Just opinions -- but based on experience. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:05:29 -0600 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote > >[OT] >John: where can one find the source for that nifty quote in your >sign-off? It reminds me of a quote in one of my 2 Scripture Books: "yea >... I will arm my women and my children" [63 B.C. Central America - >similar to our modern-day Second Amendment Sisters and NRA Youth]. I picked it up from page 22 of the November 2000 Tomahawk & Long Rifle, the journal of The American Mountain Men. John... ____________________________________________________________ "The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure." -- Albert Einstein - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:39:44 -0600 From: K&LL <lmlawyer@disd.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Traps for Sale I have numerous traps for sale in several sizes and types. If anyone is interested please contact me at...... lmlawyer@disd.net Keith - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:26:21 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Trapping Well, out here in good ole Washington state the animal rights folks got out the vote Tuesday. Traps have been outlawed. Critters, including moles, must now be sweet talked politely to enter a kinder-gentler cage -- and their entry must be entirely their own idea. These animals must be old enough to be accountable for their choices. Wonder what Ashley would have said about that? Laura Jean - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #668 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.