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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #658 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 658 In this issue: -áááááá Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: trekking -áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Cooking buffalo steak -áááááá RE: MtMan-List:Pendleton -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking -áááááá MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye -áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: trekking -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá MtMan-List: bossloper requirements -áááááá MtMan-List: Building Fort Hall -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:28:57 -0500 From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: trekking This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C03CDC.0D06E040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O.K. you persuasive Devil. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel L. Smith=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: trekking Pablo, I say old man, let's take a "jaunt" and move on. Concho. - ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C03CDC.0D06E040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META=20 content=3D"commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web = based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, = advertising banners, e-mail, free software"=20 name=3Dkeywords> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>O.K. you persuasive = Devil.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From:=20 <A href=3D"mailto:dlsmith@about.com" title=3Ddlsmith@about.com>Daniel = L. Smith</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20 title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 = 9:32=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: Re: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 trekking</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV align=3Dleft> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Pablo, I say old man, let's take a "jaunt" = and move=20 = on. Concho. </TT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCK= QUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C03CDC.0D06E040-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:41:37 -0600 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Cooking buffalo steak <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT>C.(clark)Kent, "Sorry - Mike started it", just wanted to add that what Mr. Moore has stated is on the money, have done all the wrong stuff, as well as the right after years of eating burned and raw meat. Have never met Mike or if so would have been at the Rocky Mountain Colleges. Buck tells me that Mike is an excellent cook, as well as very talented at writing, an AMM member that really tries to do things per the period. Whether you know it on not, Buck has spoken very highly of your efforts Mike, he figures you at the top of the new breed in the AMM. Concho. - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:05:41 -0600 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cooking buffalo steak - -C Kent, I guess you need to decide if the hunk of meat you have is tough or maybe even tender. If tough, boil it. And keep the water you boil it in for soups, gravys and just to drink. It will have good flavor and be a good source of liquids later on. If it is any where close to regular meat in toughness, cook it like others have said. Most like their buffalo one shade different when cooked than regular beef. Buffalo tends to dry out when cooked too long, so if you like your beef medium rare (like myself), try alittle less on this. Buffalo can be hard and dry on the outside, under done and bloody on the inside if cut too thick. But, with alittle experience, it can be a great meal all by it's self. mike. p.s. Is your first name Clark? (Sorry, just humor on a dark, drizzly monday) HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > Hey camp, > > I was lucky enuf this past weekend to come across a coon with a hank of > buffler meat. I got me a true enuf buffler steak. Not bad for the eastern > woodland. I wanna know if there is a great way of cooking up this steak as > it will be a special treat. My desire is to build me a fire out on the trail > beside the chattooga river and cook it up and chaw the fat with some other > coons around the fire. Any hints on cooking up this buffler without ruirning > this special treat. I wnat this feed to be a ture shinin' time. > > Preciate it!! > -C. Kent - ---- End Original Message ---- </TT> <TT> Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit the HRD at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ ______________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:54:41 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List:Pendleton It has been said that them old time mountain men could tell tribal/cultures by their moccasins tracks. >> I do believe sir, you are the victim of too many 'B' movies. Pendleton Top of the morning to you: Maybe you could tell me which ones have been getting to me....gasp!!! VBG. Ponyrider is right about the Metis in Montana. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:48:34 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking , & journey; it's more the style of the language of the period. Besides: Transmountaine Pereginations sounds way cooler than a walk around the mountain. We can be Great Historical Peregrinators, most folks will giggle and think we're talking dirty. John... John, It has a certain panache and I like it but will it catch on? <G> Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences I wonder about propective members' experiences and costs in attaining full membership in the AMM Society. I've met two buckskinners who says they shied away because, in their cases, traveling expenses were family budget busters. If they HAD the money to spare, they would dedicate themselves to attaining full membership. Are they just blowing smoke up their cuzunkuses? Can traveling expenses be the biggest item next to gathering authentic and authenicated gear? Other wannabes do cite the costs, monetary and physical (labor intensive), as just a little too much. I'm not set for life and neither am I beholden to anyone nowadays but my biggest obstacle remains participation in juried camps and rendezvous of which traveling is the biggest expenses in time and/or money. Would appreciate any insights or feedback (bitching acceptable) from the AMM members. Thanks. Turns out I know three AMM members in Kansas and did not realize it. ===== deafstones As I was walking up the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd stay away. Hughes Mearns __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:57:50 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye > Have you done any indigo dyeing? Nope; I don't fancy saving enough urine to make an indigo vat! > The reason I ask is that my efforts (although most assuredly > ameteurish) resulted in shades which were substantially lighter > than any reasonable definition of "navy" in spite of repeated > soakings in freshened solutions. I have several modern Japanese items that were indigo-dyed, and they are a very deep blue color, almost navy. However, I don't know for certain if they were dyed using natural indigo. If you want the real scoop, there are ladies on the 18cWoman list who are experienced indigo dyers, and I'd be happy to ask them exactly what color they get. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:31 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: trekking John is right.....here are consecutive entries in Noah Webster's 1828 = dictionary. =20 Lanney PER'EGRINATE, v.i. [L.peregrinor, from peregrinus, a traveler or = stranger; peragro, to wander; per and ager.] To travel from place to place or from one country to another; to live in = a foreign country. PEREGRINA'TION, n. A traveling from one country to another; a = wandering; abode in foreign countries. PER'EGRINATOR, n. A traveler into foreign countries. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking D Youbetcha! Watch out for Simba. I would suggest: PEREGRINATE per=B7e=B7gri=B7nate [](per=C6i gr=C3 n!t=C5), v., -nat=B7ed, = - -nat=B7ing. -v.i. 1. to travel or journey, esp. to walk on foot. - -v.t. 2. to travel or walk over; traverse. [1585-95; < L peregr#n!tus, ptp. of peregr#n!r# to travel abroad. See=20 PEREGRINE, -ATE1] - -per=C6e=B7gri=B7na=C5tor, n. It is terminology correct to the period as is jaunt, tour, roam, rove,=20 excursion, & journey; it's more the style of the language of the period. Besides: Transmountaine Pereginations sounds way cooler than a walk = around=20 the mountain. We can be Great Historical Peregrinators, most folks will giggle and = think=20 we're talking dirty. John... At 06:53 PM 10/22/00 -0400, you wrote: >John, > So this means that if we are on a "trek", we are more likely to run = into a >cape buffalo and Masai tribesmen than bull elk & Shawnee = warriors???.<G> >D > >"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 > > "Knowing how is just the beginning" > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html John T. Kramer, maker of:=20 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:07:32 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye Gwen (my Wife) has a skirt that was dyed indigo by a dyer at the Faire a few seasons ago... Started almost navy and now is a "washed blue/purple" It was a fairly complicated process of mordanting they put it thru, if I remember right. But the results were/are nice. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:40:33 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences Mr. Jones, Depending on where they live, travel expenses might add up, but that should only be if they travel to the nationals or the territorials. Most states have parties which conduct camps every year in or near where they are. Now, I may want to do a canoe trip or horse ride which might last 5 - 10 days in another part of the country, but most AMM camps are not that expensive to go to. Different people have different reasons for belonging to or not joining the AMM. Guess I never heard of money being one of them. Members as they do go through the ranks are required to stay at Nationals for a full week, some time in their life, but you can choose when to do that. mike. S Jones wrote: > I wonder about propective members' experiences > and costs in attaining full membership in the AMM > Society. I've met two buckskinners who says they > shied away because, in their cases, traveling > expenses were family budget busters. If they HAD > the money to spare, they would dedicate > themselves to attaining full membership. Are they > just blowing smoke up their cuzunkuses? Can > traveling expenses be the biggest item next to > gathering authentic and authenicated gear? Other > wannabes do cite the costs, monetary and physical > (labor intensive), as just a little too much. I'm > not set for life and neither am I beholden to > anyone nowadays but my biggest obstacle remains > participation in juried camps and rendezvous of > which traveling is the biggest expenses in time > and/or money. > > Would appreciate any insights or feedback > (bitching acceptable) from the AMM members. > Thanks. Turns out I know three AMM members in > Kansas and did not realize it. > > ===== > deafstones > As I was walking up the stair > I met a man who wasn't there. > He wasn't there again today. > I wish, I wish he'd stay away. > Hughes Mearns > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:09:06 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences S Jones, I wouldn't give too much credence to what someone who isn't a member has=20 too say. Excuses are easy to come by. You still have some deep misconceptions about what AMM is. I explained i= t=20 as best I could last July. Who is it you think you know in Kansas? ANSWER off LIST to preserve thei= r=20 privacy. John... At 10:55 AM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: >I wonder about propective members' experiences >and costs in attaining full membership in the AMM >Society. I've met two buckskinners who says they >shied away because, in their cases, traveling >expenses were family budget busters. If they HAD >the money to spare, they would dedicate >themselves to attaining full membership. Are they >just blowing smoke up their cuzunkuses? Can >traveling expenses be the biggest item next to >gathering authentic and authenicated gear? Other >wannabes do cite the costs, monetary and physical >(labor intensive), as just a little too much. I'm >not set for life and neither am I beholden to >anyone nowadays but my biggest obstacle remains >participation in juried camps and rendezvous of >which traveling is the biggest expenses in time >and/or money. > >Would appreciate any insights or feedback >(bitching acceptable) from the AMM members. >Thanks. Turns out I know three AMM members in >Kansas and did not realize it. > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >deafstones >As I was walking up the stair >I met a man who wasn't there. >He wasn't there again today. >I wish, I wish he'd stay away. >Hughes Mearns > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:21:44 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences - ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Jones" <deafstones@yahoo.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences > I wonder about prospective members' experiences > and costs in attaining full membership in the AMM > Society. I've met two buckskinners who says they > shied away because, in their cases, traveling > expenses were family budget busters. If they HAD > the money to spare, they would dedicate > themselves to attaining full membership. I think they are blowing smoke. I see no reason why it has to be expensive. Fellas travel all over the place to go to shoots and other rendezvous. They spend lots of money on chrome tan and etc. trying to look like a "mountain man" and beyond a gun and other things that are hard to make from scratch materials you find in the woods, there is no great expense. Sounds like they are making excuses for not wanting to do something they perceive as "hard". But then again, nothing worth doing is ever usually easy. <G> Are they > just blowing smoke up their cuzunkuses? Can > traveling expenses be the biggest item next to > gathering authentic and authenticated gear? What traveling expenses? Driving out of town and walking off into the woods for a few days with some jerk and parched corn? Or without? And just living off the land? Sounds like a smoke screen to me. <G> Other > wannabes do cite the costs, monetary and physical > (labor intensive), as just a little too much. I guess if it sounds too hard perhaps the listener isn't cut out for it to start with. I'm > not set for life and neither am I beholden to > anyone nowadays but my biggest obstacle remains > participation in juried camps and rendezvous of > which traveling is the biggest expenses in time > and/or money. What is so expensive about doing it right the first time? That's why many of us advocate certain things to new folks right off the bat and why I don't understand why we get called on it for being "elitists". Perhaps that's why AMM, and other such groups, is not for everyone. Bring up too many perceived obstacles and maybe it's not for you. <G> If you want some more information contact me off list. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:10:44 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets, bending topic towards dye Real scoop would be appreciated, although the thought of accumulating a vat of urine is unappealing. If you can reference any experts (or their list) I'll be grateful. I'm working with small bricks of pressed natural indigo. Thanks! Tom Angela Gottfred wrote: > > Have you done any indigo dyeing? > Nope; I don't fancy saving enough urine to make an indigo vat! > > > The reason I ask is that my efforts (although most assuredly > > ameteurish) resulted in shades which were substantially lighter > > than any reasonable definition of "navy" in spite of repeated > > soakings in freshened solutions. > > I have several modern Japanese items that were indigo-dyed, and > they are a very deep blue color, almost navy. However, I don't > know for certain if they were dyed using natural indigo. > > If you want the real scoop, there are ladies on the 18cWoman > list who are experienced indigo dyers, and I'd be happy to > ask them exactly what color they get. > > Your humble & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences - --- Roger Lahti <rtlahti@email.msn.com> wrote: > What is so expensive about doing it right the > first time? That's why many of > us advocate certain things to new folks right > off the bat and why I don't > understand why we get called on it for being > "elitists". Perhaps that's why > AMM, and other such groups, is not for > everyone. Bring up too many perceived > obstacles and maybe it's not for you. <G> > > If you want some more information contact me > off list. I remain.... > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' Hello again, Captain Lahti, I was under the impression that attendance at the Nationals was mandatory and Lanny Ratcliff has written about 4100 mile roundtrip pilgrimages. Now I stand corrected that it's NOT mandatory but you sure wouldn't want to miss it anyway on account of the beautiful country. I live in central Kansas, just an hour's drive from where Keven and Debbie Hiebert live. Since they now have a baby, I might catch them at home once in a while. I may never become a Bossloper but it's still a great trail to follow! It's hard distilling the truth out of all this sour mash I been "hearing" but not to worry, I will find the trail. Thanks. PS Who's the clearinghouse for the Woods Walk Blanket prizes? I'm sure you got it figured out, right, maybe? heh-heh. ===== deafstones As I was walking up the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd stay away. Hughes Mearns __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:28:12 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences Mike wrote: Members as they do go through the ranks are required to stay at = Nationals for a full week, some time in their life,=20 This isn't quite right. Requirement no. 4 is to stay one full week at = the National RDV or the Eastern RDV or at a Territoritial RDV (which = might be much closer to home than the Rocky Mountains where the National = RDV is always held). The requirement is one of fifteen from which a = member must complete ten for advancement beyond Pilgrim status, but no = weeklong stay is required at all unless one wishes to attain the highest = rank. I hope this helps clear up the matter Lanney Ratcliff AMM #1585 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:45:41 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences > Hello again, Captain Lahti, > > I was under the impression that attendance at the > Nationals was mandatory and Lanny Ratcliff has > written about 4100 mile roundtrip pilgrimages. > Now I stand corrected that it's NOT mandatory but > you sure wouldn't want to miss it anyway on > account of the beautiful country. deafstones, Well, you didn't exactly ask me but I'll tell you anyway. A prospective member only comes in via a personal invitation to join. Associate membership is not a path to anything but the magazine. Others have made that mistake. If you get invited, you have two years and no less than one to complete 10 of the first 15 "challenges" (to become a Bossloper) of the full 20 challenges that must be completed for the final degree of membership "Hivarano". That takes a full three years as Bossloper first. The list of challenges you choose from are not hard if you get out on the ground and do a few primitive skills. But to start off your required to have a complete kit made by your hand (excluding the things one would normally have bought or traded for such as your gun, saddle, blankets, etc. But if you can make it by hand such as your clothing and etc. your expected to show you are at least that self reliant. The other challenges include simple skills such as being able to start a fire with only materials found in nature, staying out 3 days, two nights under primitive conditions in each season of the year, cooking meat using nothing but your knife, etc. And on and on. Some you need help with, some you can do by yourself. You are expected to keep a journal to document when and where and with whom and how you did various things. Going to Nationals or Territorials is an option to choose from but not required for Bossloper. You can do all of this by your self in your woods behind the house if you do not live near other members. But that is unusual. > PS Who's the clearinghouse for the Woods Walk > Blanket prizes? I'm sure you got it figured out, > right, maybe? heh-heh. Harddog and TOF got the controls. I'm just another shooter waiting for everyone to finish. We'll find out at the end of the month who gets what. <G> Anything else I can help you will, let me know. Capt. Lahti - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:49:47 -0700 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: bossloper requirements I was just recently made a pilgrim in the AMM. I do admit filling those requirements looks pretty ominous and I hope to fill all of them. Yes they are hard, and yes acquiring authentic equipment requires time [if you make it your self] and/or money if you have someone else do it. I have spent a lot of money on gas as well. In my humble opinion filling those requirements in or outside the AMM is the difference between looking like a mountain man and being a mountain man. and besides it can be a hell of a lot of fun, and isn't that the point. Thanks; Poision river party pilgrim, Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:04:38 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Building Fort Hall Hello the List, Some facts on Fort Hall. From Journal of a Trapper by Osborne Russell, who was there and helped build the Fort. I left the spelling and punctuation as Russell wrote it. Pg. 1. "Our party consisted of forty men engaged in the service accompanied by Mess Nutall and Townsend botanists and Ornithologists with two attendants; likewise Rev's Jason and Daniel Lee Methodist Missionaries with four attendants on their way to establish a Mission in Oregon: which brot. our numbers (including six independent Trappers) to fifty Eight men." Pg. 5. "On the 4th of August the Fort was completed." "The next day Mr Wyeth departed for the mouth of the Columbia River will all the party excepting twelve men (myself included) who were stationed at the Fort. I now began to experience the difficulties attending a mountaineer we being all raw hands excepting the man who had charge of the Fort and a Mullattoe:..." Pg. 157, Notes: "The eleven men left with Russell to garrison Fort Hall were Robert Evans who was in charge: William Richmonds, Robert Cairnes, John Hynds, John Maxwell, Charles Schriver, John Timmer, Samuel Nott, John Ward, Thomas Callagan, and Peter Rost." Sooooo, out of the 40 employees of Wyeth we have 12 established. I'll attempt to find Wyeths journal to determine who the other 18 are. Note that the entire party was assembled in St. Louis and neither added, not lost men on the trip out. For those that are interested.... Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:03:17 -0700 From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences Hello Mr Jones, I note that several have answered your question. I will add my opinion. Most 'Pilgrims' headed West from the settlements, in their settlement clothes. Fabric clothing is perfectly acceptable authentic clothing, and is affordable. As for the rest of one's outfit, minimal is the key. A tarp, blanket, tin pot to cook in, tin cup, strike a lite, and maybe a few 'luxuries' and you have your camp, again affordable. Wool blankets can be bought relatively cheaply on Ebay, thrift stores, estate auctions, etc.... If you choose to use leather (leggings, etc.....), raw hides can be obtained at local taxidermists cheaply or for free. My first brain tan experiences were done with free 'capes' from a taxidermist. These pieces were about as big as a bath towel, plenty for leggings. Cow brains purchased at the local market, cheaply. I assume if you play this game already, you have a shooter?.. doesn't have to be fancy... in fact, the 'plainer' that you and your gear are, the more authentic you will be (for most scenarios). As far as travel, if you are patient- and plan ahead, you won't have to wait more than a few years to find a 'National' event to do your 7 days at a National event (this could be an Eastern, a Western, or THE National). I have never driven to a National event alone. I always buddy up with someone, sharing the driving and expenses. I find that my vacations are cheapest if I go to a Doin's. No hotel, restaurant food, etc..... If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list. I would be happy to offer advise on how to outfit yourself in an affordable fashion. Nothing is free, but no sense in spending your retirement money if you don't have too. When I entered the AMM I was on about as tight a budget as one could be on. Thankfully years of frugal living have allowed me to buy a few more expensive toys, but these are by no means required. Yours in the spirit of brotherhood, hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:41:25 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper experiences >I may never become a Bossloper but it's still a >great trail to follow! It's hard distilling the >truth out of all this sour mash I been "hearing" >but not to worry, I will find the trail. Thanks. So true. MOST of us believe it's best to read the journals, determine what they did, and follow it as closely as possible. Learn by doing with what the original mountain men used. Keep at it and you will indeed find the trail! You'll find many of us still on that trail. YMOS, Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #658 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.