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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #656
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hist_text-digest Sunday, October 22 2000 Volume 01 : Number 656
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antique Arms, Accutermants, etc History Fair this weekend
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fort Hall's Builder
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antique Arms, Accutermants, etc History Fair this weekend
-áááááá MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets
-áááááá MtMan-List: Rendezvous
-áááááá MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: metis
-áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Jean Baptiste Charbonneau
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: trekking
-áááááá MtMan-List: rmt fur trade:metis
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:33:02 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Arms, Accutermants, etc History Fair this weekend
> Just wondering if anyone from the list will be attending the Kalamazoo,
> MI History Fair this weekend.
Will be there on Saturday.
> If any of you are going to attend maybe we can get an palaver a bit.
> I'm 6'6" tall and weigh in at around 320. I'll be wearing a blue plaid
> great kilt with a maroon colored waistcoat and a blue tam with a white
> cocade and a pheasant feather.
So yer sayin' we should just keep an eye out for the Irish dandy. <G>
Dave Kanger
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:48:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Hall's Builder
" ... Fort Hall, the log post built by Nathaniel Wyeth on the Snake
River near the mouth of the Portneuf. The post had been finished in
August 1834 ..."
c.f. Trappers of the Far West [Hafen], p.246. also Encyclopedia of
Frontier Biography [Thrapp], Vol.3, p.1604.
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from Michigan
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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:17:30 -0400
From: Jim Lockmiller <manbear@netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Arms, Accutermants, etc History Fair this weekend
>
>
> > If any of you are going to attend maybe we can get an palaver a bit.
> > I'm 6'6" tall and weigh in at around 320. I'll be wearing a blue plaid
> > great kilt with a maroon colored waistcoat and a blue tam with a white
> > cocade and a pheasant feather.
>
> So yer sayin' we should just keep an eye out for the Irish dandy. <G>
>
> Dave Kanger
>
More of a Fancy Highlander I hope...G
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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:25:49 -0500
From: "Douglas Hepner" <dullhawk@texomaonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Navy Blue Blankets
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Does anyone on the list have any references for navy or dark blue =
blankets or trade wool? I can't seem to find any references myself. =
Thanks in advance.
"Watchum Possum"
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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:14:30 -0400
From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rendezvous
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Made it to the Shinin Times Rendezvous in North Georgia today, first =
time in a year. Now I know how those trappers felt seeing ol friends =
after a year of trapping. Sat around a few fires and talked and drank =
good coffee. Threw the knives and hawks and learned a little bit more =
about humility. Then shot the primitive archery course and seriously =
got my butt whoooped. Hmmm. Guess you just can not be in the top three =
all the time. Unfortunately I chose not to take the front loader as I =
would have not made it for the competition. Maybe next time.
I did learn a few things. First thing is I need to learn how to throw =
my knife with my left hand. Throw offs can sometimes be tricky. =
Learned that there is a difference between Rendezvouser's and Trekkers. =
Trekkers kinda keep to themselves set up all together out of the way =
where Rendezvouser's like to be in the middle of all the excitement. I =
spent a pleasurable time at both camps. Got alot of good info that I =
plan on using in the next few month.
Can't wait to the next rendezvous. Maybe one day I may just make it to =
Friendship.
FVR
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Made it to the Shinin Times Rendezvous =
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be in=20
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front=20
loader as I would have not made it for the competition. Maybe next =
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did learn a few things. First =
thing is I=20
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can=20
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month.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can't wait to the next =
rendezvous. Maybe one=20
day I may just make it to Friendship.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:47:37 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: trekking
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Attention Longhunters and other interested parties,
Can anyone tell me the origin of the word "trek"? As in "taking a =
trek", "Trekking", "keep on trekking" or "Star Trek"? Does it have any =
historical origin to our period or is it a "made up" word? I have heard =
it used in reference to the South African Boer War so it may be Dutch. =
Was it used before then in our country in reference to the trips taking =
by Longhunters and others in search of game, furs or just on a scout? I =
know that many in the Longhunter camp are very much into documentation =
and such so I can't see a non-period term used in context to what they =
do.
Just wonderin'.
Larry Huber
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Attention Longhunters and other =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Can anyone tell me =
the origin of=20
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trekking" or=20
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is it a=20
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African=20
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reference=20
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just on=20
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into=20
documentation and such so I can't see a non-period term used in context =
to what=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Just =
wonderin'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Huber</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:40:27 -0400
From: "Dennis Earp" <96mfg@hspower.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
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Larry,
Most now agree that it is not an 18th century term. It is believed to =
have originated in South Africa in the early
19th century. That's why you now hear the more politically correct =
refer to "going on a scout" instead
of a "trek" when en-acting an 18th century event.
Dennis
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most now agree that it is not an 18th =
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instead</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:54:19 -0600
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com>
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: metis
You answered the question Larry,
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From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:42:00 -0700
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: metis
The drawings of Alfred Miller yield a lot of
information about this culture.
Walt
>>Walt,
=A0Explain something to sir. =A0How do you figure
the drawings of Miller yeild
a lot of information about the culture of the
Metis ? =A0The men Miller
depicted in his drawings had been in the
mountains a year or more. =A0They had
been living with and trading with the Indians the
Indians the whole time.
Hell, they all looked the same except for the
'hands' who wrangled the pack
strings from St. Louis, and most of them didn't
look much different. =A0I'm
confused !
Pendleton
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Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:04:55 -0600
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com>
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Jean Baptiste Charbonneau
<TT>Jim,<BR>
<BR>
I just got that information together and went <BR>
back to e-mail it and low and behold you beat me <BR>
to it, Thanks.<BR>
<BR>
Concho.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Casapy123@aol.com<BR>
Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:28:11 EDT<BR>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com<BR>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jean Baptiste <BR>
Charbonneau<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 10/18/00 11:35:58 AM Pacific <BR>
Daylight Time, <BR>
Wfoster@cw2.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
> He =A0was not born in time to be a part of the <BR>
fur trade.<BR>
<BR>
I fail to understand how you can make such a <BR>
statement. =A0Here's my source:<BR>
<BR>
According to Ann Hafen, in a ten book series <BR>
titled "Mountain Men and the Fur <BR>
Trade of the Far West," Jean Baptiste Charbonneau <BR>
returned from Europe to <BR>
America and set out from St. Louis on 12-23-1829, <BR>
along with some men from <BR>
the American Fur Company, headed for the Upper <BR>
Missouri. =A0Hafen says "The <BR>
next fifteen years of Baptiste's life were lived <BR>
as a Mountain Man, threading <BR>
the streams of the western wilderness in search <BR>
of beaver skin." (Hafen, Vol. <BR>
1, page 212, "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of <BR>
the Far West" Authur H Clark <BR>
Co., Glendale, CA, 1965)<BR>
<BR>
Please provide a source to support your statemtn <BR>
that Charbonneau was born <BR>
too late to be a part of the fur trade. =A0It seems <BR>
that this and many of your <BR>
other responses to this list are made without <BR>
supporting documentation. =A0If <BR>
Ms. Hafen is wrong, I'd like to know why.<BR>
<BR>
Jim Hardee, AMM#1676<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Later, <BR>
<BR>
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith<BR>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:12:33 -0600
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
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<TT>Larry,<BR>
<BR>
If you go through the hist_list archives you'll <BR>
find that this was talked about in great length, <BR>
finally Buck wrote to Rick Edwards, being editor <BR>
of "On The Trail" and seemed to use the term <BR>
alot, as did Baker and Curry in their writings. <BR>
You'll find Rick's reply, that they (the three) <BR>
knew it was historically correct but was old and <BR>
used in text of British ventures in Africa. Hope <BR>
that helps, check the archives.<BR>
<BR>
Concho.<BR>
<BR>
</TT><br><br><br><br><br><br><font><p align=left><TT> <BR>
<BR>
Later, <BR>
<BR>
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith<BR>
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______________________________________________ <BR>
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"Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". <BR>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:28:02 -0500
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
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I am confused by this reply. Did you mean that it was historically =
correct or did you mistype the word correct intending to say incorrect? =
The earliest usage I can find of the word per the Oxford English =
Dictionary is from the mid-1800's as a Boer word. I have never, ever, =
seen it used in documents, letters, or primary documentation prior to =
that time frame. Without searching the archives, what was the substance =
of Rick's reply? Thanks. Paul
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
Larry,
If you go through the hist_list archives you'll=20
find that this was talked about in great length,=20
finally Buck wrote to Rick Edwards, being editor=20
of "On The Trail" and seemed to use the term=20
alot, as did Baker and Curry in their writings.=20
You'll find Rick's reply, that they (the three)=20
knew it was historically correct but was old and=20
used in text of British ventures in Africa. Hope=20
that helps, check the archives.
Concho.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I am confused by this reply. Did you =
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<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Larry,<BR><BR>If you go through the hist_list =
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you'll <BR>find that this was talked about in great length, =
<BR>finally Buck=20
wrote to Rick Edwards, being editor <BR>of "On The Trail" and seemed =
to use=20
the term <BR>alot, as did Baker and Curry in their writings. =
<BR>You'll find=20
Rick's reply, that they (the three) <BR>knew it was historically =
correct but=20
was old and <BR>used in text of British ventures in Africa. Hope =
<BR>that=20
helps, check the=20
archives.<BR><BR>Concho.<BR><BR></TT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT =
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:27:53 -0600
From: "Barry Conner" <conner1@about.com>
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
Pablo,
The business getting to you already "I am
confused", only kidding.
What Concho has stated was pretty much as I
remember what was said. We really didn't get a
time frame or period as to what British
documents, in fact Rick thought the word "jaunt'
would have been more correct for the colonies in
the New World. I'll try and get a chance to look
at Dean's archives, don't recall if there was
anything with dates.
Oh, change my e-mail address, lost address book,
etc. on other system.
Buck.
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I am confused by this reply. Did you mean that
it was historically correct or did you mistype
the word correct intending to say incorrect? The
earliest usage I can find of the word per the
Oxford English Dictionary is from the mid-1800's
as a Boer word. I have never, ever, seen it used
in documents, letters, or primary documentation
prior to that time frame.
Without searching the archives, what was the
substance of Rick's reply? Thanks. Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel L. Smith
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
Larry,
If you go through the hist_list archives
you'll find that this was talked about in great
length, finally Buck wrote to Rick Edwards, being
editor of "On The Trail" and seemed to use the
term alot, as did Baker and Curry in their
writings.
You'll find Rick's reply, that they (the
three) knew it was historically correct but was
old and used in text of British ventures in
Africa. Hope that helps, check the archives.
Concho.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Later,
Barry "Buck" Conner
Resource & Documentation for:
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"Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers".
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:57:07 -0400
From: Jim Lockmiller <manbear@netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
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The following comes from the American Heritage Dictionary:
trek (trk) intr.v. trekked, trekking, treks.
1. To make a slow or arduous journey.
2. To journey on foot, especially to hike through mountainous areas.
Manbear
Larry Huber wrote:
> Attention Longhunters and other interested parties, Can anyone tell
> me the origin of the word "trek"? As in "taking a trek", "Trekking",
> "keep on trekking" or "Star Trek"? Does it have any historical origin
> to our period or is it a "made up" word? I have heard it used in
> reference to the South African Boer War so it may be Dutch. Was it
> used before then in our country in reference to the trips taking by
> Longhunters and others in search of game, furs or just on a scout? I
> know that many in the Longhunter camp are very much into documentation
> and such so I can't see a non-period term used in context to what they
> do. Just wonderin'. Larry Huber
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The following comes from the American Heritage Dictionary:
<p>trek (trk) intr.v. trekked, trekking, treks.
<br>1. To make a slow or arduous journey.
<br>2. To journey on foot, especially to hike through mountainous areas.
<p>Manbear
<br>
<p>Larry Huber wrote:
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<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Attention
Longhunters and other interested parties,</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>
Can anyone tell me the origin of the word "trek"? As in "taking a
trek", "Trekking", "keep on trekking" or "Star Trek"? Does it have
any historical origin to our period or is it a "made up" word? I
have heard it used in reference to the South African Boer War so it may
be Dutch. Was it used before then in our country in reference to the trips
taking by Longhunters and others in search of game, furs or just on a scout?
I know that many in the Longhunter camp are very much into documentation
and such so I can't see a non-period term used in context to what they
do.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1> Just
wonderin'.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>
Larry Huber</font></font><span id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></span></blockquote>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:30:57 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
The following comes from my Random House Websters.
trek [](trek), v., trekked, trek=B7king, n.
=96v.i.
1. to travel or migrate, esp. slowly or with difficulty.
2. South Africa. to travel by ox wagon.
=96v.t.
3. South Africa. (of a draft animal) to draw (a vehicle or load).
=96n.
4. a journey or trip, esp. one involving difficulty or hardship.
5. South Africa. a migration or expedition, as by ox wagon.
6. South Africa. a stage of a journey, esp. by ox wagon, between one=20
stopping place and the next.
[1815=9625; < Afrik < D trek (n.), trekken (v.) to draw (a vehicle or load),=
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migrate]
At 05:57 PM 10/22/00 -0400, you wrote:
>The following comes from the American Heritage Dictionary:
>
>trek (trk) intr.v. trekked, trekking, treks.
>1. To make a slow or arduous journey.
>2. To journey on foot, especially to hike through mountainous areas.
>
>Manbear
>
>
>Larry Huber wrote:
>>Attention Longhunters and other interested parties, Can anyone tell me=
=20
>>the origin of the word "trek"? As in "taking a trek", "Trekking", "keep=
=20
>>on trekking" or "Star Trek"? Does it have any historical origin to our=20
>>period or is it a "made up" word? I have heard it used in reference to=20
>>the South African Boer War so it may be Dutch. Was it used before then in=
=20
>>our country in reference to the trips taking by Longhunters and others in=
=20
>>search of game, furs or just on a scout? I know that many in the=20
>>Longhunter camp are very much into documentation and such so I can't see=
=20
>>a non-period term used in context to what they do. Just=20
>>wonderin'. Larry Huber
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
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>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:53:08 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trekking
John,
So this means that if we are on a "trek", we are more likely to run into a
cape buffalo and Masai tribesmen than bull elk & Shawnee warriors???.<G>
D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:31:15 MDT
From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: rmt fur trade:metis
well well now!!
to say that the metis were not of rmf in montana is truely a lack of montana
history. to asume that because montana and north dakota are not in canada
history would not entwine.There are rows in history class and the back row
is hard of hearing but there are more books printed than what you have read
or own. From the north fur trade(border states to)we didn"t know how to
speak mex or about the mex influance in everyday life. there seems to be a
piece of the fur trade picture you refuse to acknowlage.i can not force you
to gain any new knowledge if you are not welling to search in new places. my
suggested ref. seem not to interest you or are not in your library scope. i
will then revert back to general speaking. to say not any of your authors
did not run accross metis. in the fur trade few knew how to write, with the
metis not wishing to be seen by white fur people, In the big country of
montana and north dakota the indian head whole villages for years(with more
domestic eye's to see ) indian and fur trappers did record cree,red river
metis and the carts witch i have given titles. i have all so listed North
Dakota and montana museums were you can see proof of metis.there plenty of
internet stuff you can see. there has been roughly thirty hiverrant metis
settlements found in Alberta,saskatchewan and MONTANA(NOT IN CANADA). there
are also alot of priest journals discribing travel with the metis cart
hunters. setting in the back row and busy making small time wise cracks, i
can see why you just hear what you want. bet that was not a montana history
class your were in, F- even if you were cute. oh well i have question for
the people with some fur trade know.
ponyrider
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