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Date: 9 Oct 2000 17:38:04 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] A Few Carry The Load To Much.
On Sun, 08 October 2000, ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
> Buck and Concho,
> Unfortunately, the group went down the tubes. I told them in January of 99
> that I couldn't do all the work anymore and needed help. They all agreed,
> but no one came forward. A couple of months later, we did the same thing.
> Everyone agreed, but no one came forward. Then I told them that I was
> resigning and someone needed to take over. No one came forward...........
>
> Dave Kanger
>
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Sorry to hear that Dave, it sure was good when we saw you back there.
Buck Conner, Trapper Tom, and several others did the same thing for the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Assoc., worked their butts off for 12 or so years and couldn't get any help. A week before a major event some good old boys from Daniel Texas would always show up and work day and night on helping to setup whatever was needed.
Butcher York was still a Major with the Colo. Nat. Guard and would furnish all the hospital tents needed for scoring, reg., etc. A funny thing happened with those Texas boys, they where hauling tents in a Nat.Guard 6X6 past the Commander of the post, the Commander about dropped his teeth when he saw the 6X6 was Colordao National Guard with Texas flags flying on the front fenders. They where the good old days, thanks to those Texas boys by the name of Furlows.
Never see that kind of effort anymore or if you do it's still a few carrying the load, pretty sad.
In the footsteps of others,
D. L. "Concho" Smith
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:00:15 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
>Just my guess, but I believe I have been running in,
>among, around and over the mountains as long as you have and maybe a little
>longer.
>Walt
>Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
>Clark Bottom Rendezvous
>
Walt,
There's a difference between a man in the mountains, and a mountain man.
Allen in Fort Hall country
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:48:16 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: stampede strings
I lost my hat out on a trip once I had to go bare headed a couple of days
the sun burned me up something awful suffered fever and chills all night.
You won't catch me without a stampede string on my, "very necessary for
comfort and survival" hat.
just some thoughts; Tom
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:16:19 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC?
I have a 54 cal Lyman Trade Gun which I have used for about
8 years, if I can help- let me know.
mike.
HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote:
> Hey all you coons out there!
>
> Would this here coon be getting a good rifle-gun with that Lyman .50 cal fer
> as the PC of the rifle is concerned?
>
> -C.Kent
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:06:27 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
Walt,
There's a difference between a man in the mountains, and a mountain man.
Allen in Fort Hall country
Yep, Allen: There sure is.
The Metis built Fort Hall as well as Fort Union.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:06:30 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: stampede strings
I lost my hat out on a trip once I had to go bare headed a couple of days
the sun burned me up something awful suffered fever and chills all night.
You won't catch me without a stampede string on my, "very necessary for
comfort and survival" hat.
just some thoughts; Tom
Hi Tom,
I stayed out of that desert country. I never did like the heat. Didn't you
have a rag of something you could shade your head with?
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:08:13 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Fort Union September 2000
Robert Thomson
AMF Co
Fort Union
Hi Robert, I spoke with Ron Tewalt from Sidney today he gave a glowing
reports. I know Michael Terry. I have been seeing Bad Hand on the little
horn every year for quite a while. He is an event all by himself.
Everything is going to keep on growing with the Lewis and Clark Bicentennial
starting up. You have a great place there.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:08:15 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
There's a difference between a man in the mountains, and a mountain man.
Allen in Fort Hall country
Boy you got that right. Might surprise you that the Metis build Fort Hall
as well as Fort Union.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:51:13 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
At 09:06 PM 10/09/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>The Metis built Fort Hall as well as Fort Union.
>
>Walt
>Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
How interesting. Did they come out with Nat Wyeth? I'd love to hear your
documentation on that. Wyeth didn't seem to mention it......
Hey, I got a question. Is Al Gore Metis?
Allen
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:30:15 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stampede strings
hey Walt,
I did have a bandanna I tied it around my head pirate style. it helped a
little but was'nt enough.
Tom
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From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: stampede strings
> I lost my hat out on a trip once I had to go bare headed a couple of days
> the sun burned me up something awful suffered fever and chills all night.
> You won't catch me without a stampede string on my, "very necessary for
> comfort and survival" hat.
> just some thoughts; Tom
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I stayed out of that desert country. I never did like the heat. Didn't
you
> have a rag of something you could shade your head with?
>
> Walt
> Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
> Clark Bottom Rendezvous
> Yellowstone Canoe Camp
> On the Lewis & Clark Trail
> Park City, Montana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:13:55 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Metis
Hey, I got a question. Is Al Gore Metis?
Allen
Hi Allen,
Beats me. You might be in a better position to answer that than I am. We
mostly vote Republican around here.
I do know that there were several Metis with Lewis and Clark.
Do you have a list of the names of the crew that built Fort Hall Trading
Post?
I have a question for you. What does the word Metis mean?
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:27:22 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Metis
Walt,
At 11:13 PM 10/09/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Do you have a list of the names of the crew that built Fort Hall Trading
>Post?
Good try. You made the statement that Metis built Fort Hall. I'm still
interested in your documentation.
>
>I have a question for you. What does the word Metis mean?
>
Another good try. You tell the list. Maybe our difficulty here is a
definition of terms.
Allen
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:37:11 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
Jon,
I know book of Mormon Scripture prety well, but I don't remember that. could
you give me scripture and verse.
YMOS
Ole #718
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>From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
>To: hist_text@xmission.com
>Subject: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
>Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 9:47 PM
>
>Mammoths-mastadons-elephants became extinct on the American continent as
>a result of the Civil Wars that caused the total destruction (except for
>1 man who survived for 9 months) of the Jaredite people ~ 585 B.C.
>[non-American Indian civilization].
>
>Horses became extinct on the American continent as a result of the
>Nephite-Lamanite Civil Wars that caused the total destruction of the
>Nephite people only ~ 421 A.D. [American Indian ancestor civilization =
>Lamanite].
>
>Only ~ 10% of the archaeological sites of Central and South America have
>been uncovered. Much is still hidden, but what will come forth will be
>mind-boggling (an understatement to say the least).
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>from Michigan
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:12:56 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: mississnewa-AMM LONG
Those of you who missed Mississnewa, missed a great time. Once again the AMM
camps shined. Most of the AMM bros. gave talks or lectures to the public as
they came by and looked and asked questions about their camps, clothing,
accouterments, foods and many others things.
The reenacted battles were said to be very good and thrilled the crowds. (I
didn`t see them).
The military surgeon done several demonstrations on medical operations. I
got to see two of these demos. The victim was your all time favorite Dennis
Miles wife (Gwen). The first he shot her in the arm as she tried to run
away. The Dr. was removing the ball from her arm. The Dr. with the forceps
pitched the ball into the crowd, had fake blood on it. Everyone jumped when
he threw it, hit a 10-12 yr boy in the arm. You had to see the boys face to
enjoy the surprise on it. As the Dr. removed the ball some conversation
between the Doc and Dennis took place. After Dennis told his side a little
old lady was heard to say as she looked Dennis straight in the eye, "you
bastard". Needless to say ole Dennis wasn`t her favorite. Gwen was a great
patience and actress. Her moans and screams came at the exact correct times.
One little boy got to keep the ball. I believe he will remember Mississnewa
1812 for years to come. I do believe some of the public at first thought a
real accident had happened.
The star of the AMM camp was none other than Parker (ramrod) Moore and his
famous horse Blackie. Parker gave many lectures on the horse and equipage.
Told about every aspect of his chacter portrayal. He had lots of furs, trade
items and a camp that reflected his chacter. He participated in the battles.
In one battle a horse wreck occurred by accident. Thank the good Lord no one
got hurt. The other guy had broken tack. Both riders were sore and a little
stiff the next day. Parker and Blackie were undamaged. When Parker spoke the
public were 15-20 people deep trying to see and listen.
The local newspaper done a full page article about Parker and Blackie. I`m
not going to tell about the newspaper article as I feel Parker should have
the bragging rites to this. Your damn rite he deserves to Brag.
There were several states represented in the AMM camp. I will probably miss
a state or
two, forgive me if I miss your state. There was Ohio, Ind., Mich., New
Joisey, Ky. Thats all I remember.
For the second year in a row your AMM brothers were asked to tend the bar at
the dance. Honestly they were !!! Can you imagine a fox being thrown into
the hen house GGGGG. We were all gentle men and conducted ourselves as such.
I seen it with me own eyes. The next time you Bros. camp with your eastern
Bros. ask about the wench with the large chest and her pewter serving tray
and goblets.
Their was also many, many fine suttlers in attendance with many period
correct items. The food purveyors had many correct delicious foods. Hard to
decide what to eat. Was many fine foods prepared in the AMM camp too. Some
friends of Parkers also from Joisey prepared a brunswick stew that they
shared with us. I HAVE NEVER EATEN A STEW THAT TASTE THAT GOOD. Sorry I
don`t remember their name.
From overhearing others conversations, I think there was several ranking
officers of the AMM in attendance. Won`t try to name them as I only know one
or two of them.
If their would of been a competion for camps, I know the AMM would of taken
all prizes. Though Mississnewa is a jurried event, the AMM camps were
jurried much stricter. All camps were neat and orderly and correct as we
could of gotten them.
Your bro. Ron (don`t know last name) had some beautiful powder horns out
for sale and trade. He gave many talks on them to the public. Told how they
were made from the cow head and buff head to the finished product on his
blanket.
Though I am not an AMM member, my friend Mad Mike and yours truly Big John
have been guests in many AMM camps. We were accepted as one of your own, and
treated great. We have made many AMM friends.
It is very easy to see first hand why the AMM is called a brotherhood. Be
polite, and treat them as you want to be treated and you have no problems.
Come in with the know-it-all attitude, and they will grease your ass and
slide you on down the trail. we have learned many things in the camps, given
demonstrations on how to do skills. Will teach you till you get it correct.
Though I have only mentioned a few names there were many others who added to
this event. Time and space and memory have run out.
nuff sed, out of words.
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
longhunter
mountainman
Southwest, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:15:39 GMT
From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Metis and Ft. Hall.
Seems to me that Osborne Russel was left behind with a handful of other men
to build Ft. Hall, I know Russel wasn't Metis, and I'm quite sure the rest
were'nt either. Walt, I must wonder if you could be wrong about this??
