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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #644 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, October 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 644 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - "NO MORE" on mammoths-mastadons -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD(Keep the Faith) -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD -áááááá MtMan-List: missouri river -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: missouri river -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: missouri river -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: missouri river -áááááá MtMan-List: horses and mules -áááááá MtMan-List: buckskinning sub society -áááááá MtMan-List: OT............NRA..........tonight on ABC -áááááá MtMan-List: misur trade,no name -áááááá MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: missouri river -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:59:13 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES Walt, Actually both Mammoths and Matodons are the critters that modern elephants were descended from. The difference between them is the Mastodons had complete tuberculate teeth. Of course both the Mammoths and Mastodons were covered with a coat of shaggy hair. How would you like to braintan a hide that big ? Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Walt Foster <Wfoster@cw2.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES Hi Laura, Do you and Pendleton know the difference between the Mammoth and Mastodon? Were either you or Pendleton at fort union? Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Wind1838@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:43 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES You know I bet mammoths would have been excellent eating if cooked properly in a Dutch oven <BG>. Laura Glise (I couldn't help myself. Pendleton dared me to do it.) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:49:08 -0700 From: "DRB Hays" <bestrong@cmc.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - "NO MORE" on mammoths-mastadons yes It is neat to know. I have fond memories of the Big Timber Rendezvous. The Buckskin Report inspired a few of us Northern Ca boys to start our own handwritten magazine called The Voice of The Mountains. We started having our Rendezvous In the mountains and used the flatland Rendezvous as a resupply source. Pre 1840 became a historical goal, and the "doing" was more important than winning a pretty tipi contest. Each to his own though and the only time I really got upset was when the fellow showed up with his blaze orange mountain tent, the dog soldier was polite and didn't ask him to leave--- but put him far enough away from camp that we could disclaim knowing him. Ten years later that feller was making the beaver come and was doing some fine brain tan. YMOS, Doc --- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: OT - "NO MORE" on mammoths-mastadons > "We study the history of the Fur Trade and experiment with the equipage used > in that time (reproduction and original) as well as making our camps, > sampling the foods, etc. in trying to experience the life styles of our > forefathers". Buck Conner 1971. From an article written for the "BuckSkin > Report" thirty years ago and he as well as many others, (thousands) are > still working at that experience, so let's work as we have in the past as a > team in discovering what these great men of the fur trade found and how they > lived from day to day through good documentation. > > Hey Concho, > > Wow! How big this movement has grown within my life time. Some of you > fellars might ought to try to stop and camp on some of this historic ground > particularly to understand what it takes to winter through. > > Neat to know Buck Conner was writing back in 71 for the Buckskin Report > about experience the life styles of our forefathers. > > Walt > Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 > Yellowstone Canoe Camp > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > Park City, Montana > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:18:32 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD > Haven't talked to you for sometime, last time I saw you was at your doin's at > the river near Lisle, Ill., is that group still in operation - very impressive and well organized. Buck and Concho, Unfortunately, the group went down the tubes. I told them in January of 99 that I couldn't do all the work anymore and needed help. They all agreed, but no one came forward. A couple of months later, we did the same thing. Everyone agreed, but no one came forward. Then I told them that I was resigning and someone needed to take over. No one came forward. They decided to hold a meeting after the event, which they did. I didn't attend, but the group folded because no one was willing to take over. It's now defunct.........people get out of an organization what they put into it. I guess I must have been the one putting everything into it and it was only a social gathering for the rest. The Rendezvous is now held with the help of recruited volunteers. The whole steering committee has changed. I heard that they paid professional actors this year to portray various characters who would have been around the Canal during its heyday. The event will continue, but I think its focus is away from a period correct enactment and more toward a period correct carnival. Too much politics for me. > We all need more like you and yours, thanks. Thanks for the kind words, but I think the days of new folks stepping in and taking over with the zeal and dedication to work that we had are falling by the wayside. We were really the bridge between the generations......old enough to remember "the good old days" and young enough to still become enthused about them. Most of us still had living relatives who participated on the tail end of the Fur Trade. Today's generation doesn't seem to have the connection that we did. Period correct items today are things that yuppies buy off Ebay and hang in their living rooms. They don't seem to care much what they are, only that they are old. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:35:29 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses > You should have never asked "Concho" a question, he hasn't stopped e-mailing > for an hour, probably made the paper kid mad and didn't get the Sunday News, > or the girl friend is out of town. So far he's patted you on the back, made > Pablo mad, and put everyone on the list to sleep, who knows what's next. Buck, That is why he so uniquely suited for his new job. He forgets everything he learns..........therefore he is always learning more new things. <G> I think they call it CRS. > As far as the statement Concho mentioned about your reenactment group in or > near Lisle, ILL - how is it doing and do you still hold your rendezvous ? Read the sorry details in my posting to him. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:09:08 -0700 From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD(Keep the Faith) Dave, Hi..... I'm hardtack. I just wanted to say...keep the faith. There are still some of us 'youngsters' out here carrying on. I'm 41 years young, with 19 years since my first rdvs.. My children grew up attending rdvs.. I spend the majority of my precious vacation time trekking, attending rdvs., etc... I am close to the 1,000 mile mark via primitive canoe trekking.(can't afford a horse, although I did one 5 day horse trek , great experience). I volunteer to help out with many related activities and doin's. I am not alone! I have many companeros who are my equal, or better. I'm sorry that none of them are aquainted with you , and your doin's. I have a great reverence for my oldsters, and their experiences. I have seen your many postings here, and hope to share a fire with you someday. We all need to be more involved in order for this way of life to survive. Heed the call, work hard to keep the old ways alive. We owe it to the following generations. I'm glad that men like you have cleared the trail for my generation. It's up to us, fellows, to keep the trail cleared. Volunteer.... Keep this way of life alive.... My hat is off to you Dave. Your friend and brother, hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:09:22 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats Howdy Walt We ran that Charlie Russell and that out fit he road for out of Henry Idaho. I heard it was for dressin fun That's when they moved to Montana. I heard they fit right in there. Really old Charlie is a little bit late to even have any thing to do with the fur trade and what was worn. I did not know that they came up with the word Dude about the time you started riding horses. I hope it was not because of any thing you were doing. Fifty years in the saddle, pack up to seven horses at a time and you don't tie nothing down and you have never lost a hat to the wind or a knife or nothing. Man you have got to be the luckiest man on earth. Or is it just getting a mite more windy in Montana? I believe in walking the walk if your going to talk the talk. I always thought Drug Store Cowboys was them fellers that dress the part and talk the talk but don't even know how to walk. When ya learn to run Walt I'll see ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 06:15:58 -0600 From: Buck Conner <conner1@uswest.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD - --------------EBF6757419477E5A1096363C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: > Buck and Concho, > Unfortunately, the group went down the tubes. I told them in January of 99 > that I couldn't do all the work anymore and needed help. They all agreed, > but no one came forward. A couple of months later, we did the same thing. > Everyone agreed, but no one came forward. Then I told them that I was > resigning and someone needed to take over. No one came forward. They > decided to hold a meeting after the event, which they did. I didn't attend, > but the group folded because no one was willing to take over. It's now > defunct.........people get out of an organization what they put into it. I > guess I must have been the one putting everything into it and it was only a > social gathering for the rest. Been there done that, then returned and did it a few more times when our State Muzzle Loading Assn., it's rendezvous' went on it's butt. It took a dozen years for someone to wake up and learn if they want to play they have to pay (work the program). Sorry to see all your effort was lost, but you have to admit you had fun while involved, now looking back. > We were really the bridge between the generations......old enough to remember > "the good old days" and young enough to still become enthused about them. Most > of us still had living relatives who participated on the tail end of the Fur > Trade. Today's generation doesn't seem to have the connection that we did. > > Dave Kanger Isn't that the truth, we talk about Baird, Long Step, Crazy Bear, Brass Turtle and the Buckskin Report or Charley Hanson, Curly G. or some that showed us the way and many just think we're just old and know nothing. Not realizing that they missed some of the great historians that we have had the chance to know and love, God bless them all. I don't think I ever looked at the Hanson's, Baird, Turner or Clymer as being old, we where interested in history of the fur trade and they had the answers, they where our hero's. Later, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit my camp at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________ - --------------EBF6757419477E5A1096363C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Buck and Concho, Unfortunately, the group went down the tubes. I told them in January of 99 that I couldn't do all the work anymore and needed help. They all agreed, but no one came forward. A couple of months later, we did the same thing. Everyone agreed, but no one came forward. Then I told them that I was resigning and someone needed to take over. No one came forward. They decided to hold a meeting after the event, which they did. I didn't attend, but the group folded because no one was willing to take over. It's now defunct.........people get out of an organization what they put into it. I guess I must have been the one putting everything into it and it was only a social gathering for the rest.</blockquote> Been there done that, then returned and did it a few more times when our State Muzzle Loading Assn., it's rendezvous' went on it's butt. It took a dozen years for someone to wake up and learn if they want to play they have to pay (work the program). Sorry to see all your effort was lost, but you have to admit you had fun while involved, now looking back. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>We were really the bridge between the generations......old enough to remember "the good old days" and young enough to still become enthused about them. Most of us still had living relatives who participated on the tail end of the Fur Trade. Today's generation doesn't seem to have the connection that we did. Dave Kanger</blockquote> Isn't that the truth, we talk about Baird, Long Step, Crazy Bear, Brass Turtle and the Buckskin Report or Charley Hanson, Curly G. or some that showed us the way and many just think we're just old and know nothing. Not realizing that they missed some of the great historians that we have had the chance to know and love, God bless them all. I don't think I ever looked at the Hanson's, Baird, Turner or Clymer as being old, we where interested in history of the fur trade and they had the answers, they where our hero's. Later, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit my camp at: <A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A> Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________ </html> - --------------EBF6757419477E5A1096363C-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:16:53 EDT From: "Billy Corgan" <drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: missouri river To those whom i have upset, or not: My name is chris riddle. i am a junior in college in ohio. i have other names on my email because i get alot of junk and solicitation via that address, and if they dont know my real name/address/phone number, then i am harder to contact. my email address is drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com i am currently reconfiguring my topic on my paper to: Did the fur trade of the upper missouri river have an impact on the culture of the native americans in that region? from that which i have so read so far, i would say yes. now my goal is to see if i am correct in my first opinion and if what the impacts were. as for my past emails. it is somtimes necessary to drum up some argument to get answers. maybe i was a little ignorant in some of my dealings, and for those i apologize. i am trying to gather a large amount of information, and anything i can get my hands on i plan to. i felt this list would have many great minds on it with many resources at their disposal, so far i have not been disappointed. my statement about man messing up nature i still stand by. no creature in the history of earth has had such an impact on the face of this planet as has man. the building of cities, towns, roads, and many other structures is just the beginning. it is impossible to get away from man on earth. our effects on our planet will be our own demise, and that is just a matter of time. hopefully this email spoke more of my true beliefs and was a bit more mature in its content and nature. again, i thank those of you who have helped me, and any further information would be appreciated. - -chris riddle junior environmental policy and analysis major drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:41:20 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats Howdy Walt We ran that Charlie Russell and that out fit he road for out of Henry Idaho. I heard it was for dressin fun That's when they moved to Montana. I heard they fit right in there. Really old Charlie is a little bit late to even have any thing to do with the fur trade and what was worn. I did not know that they came up with the word Dude about the time you started riding horses. I hope it was not because of any thing you were doing. Fifty years in the saddle, pack up to seven horses at a time and you don't tie nothing down and you have never lost a hat to the wind or a knife or nothing. Man you have got to be the luckiest man on earth. Or is it just getting a mite more windy in Montana? I believe in walking the walk if your going to talk the talk. I always thought Drug Store Cowboys was them fellers that dress the part and talk the talk but don't even know how to walk. When ya learn to run Walt I'll see ya on the trail Crazy Cyot Why, Crazy Cyot: Thanks for uplifting my spirits on this very fine day here in the heart of the American Mountain Man country where I was born and raised. As for Charlie Russell: He came into Montana as a young lad. Rode with the Metis out of Utica. What do you mean "We ran that Charlie Russell..." Better double check your history. Charlie road with some of the last of the mixed bloods who had direct connections to the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade. They were called Dude ranches by 1900, here in Montana. I'll will get back to my horse time after I take my wife to the doctors. Actually it is a nice hunting day in south central Montana without much wind. The wind seems to blow in over Montana. Some of it might be coming from your direction VBG Thanks for lifting my cast iron kettle lid before sun up this morning. Have a good day sport. Walt out of his badgerhole Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:44:24 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: missouri river To those whom i have upset, or not: My name is chris riddle. Good come back, Stick to your subject of interest. Don't let the emotional asides side track you. Your interest is worth. Question where the replies are stemming from. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1904 23:32:56 -0700 From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri river Chris, Ecology along with mother nature has a way of healing itself if given enough time. Some Wildlife species for example rebounded in overwhelming numbers. Whitetail deer were almost depleted in areas of the east at the beginning of the 20th century as well as turkey. In fact, even before that, the buffalo was used to supply the meat market back east due to low numbers of game animal available. The pronghorn of Wyoming was low in numbers in the early years. Yet due to good game mgt and game laws, many of these species have returned to unnatual numbers given the available habitat. I like to qoute "Years ago we had islands of civilzation in the wilderness, now we have just the opposite. The defining criterial is winter habitat in the west. This is what we are losing. Some species will adapt easily to encroachment of man, such as raccoons, coyotes, some birds, etc and of coarse cockroaches. Other are more sensitive such as frogs and toads and others of their kind. I do not believe that Fur Trappers imposed a long term effect on the ecology of the east or west that Manifest Destiny in not do over the long run. Nature takes a long time to heal when damaged through man's efforts or Nature itself, (fire, floods, earthquakes) We just do have the privilage of being around long enough to record it. Read Aldo Leopolds book. I'm sure it is still required reading in wildlife classes Joe Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:45:44 GMT From: "Robert Thomson" <hunter1828@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri river Ho the List! I am coming into this discussion late. I have been behind on my e-mail and had to delete a bunch of old postings to the list before I had a chance to read them, just sticking to the new ones. So, I have a question for Chris: What have you read in the form of primary and secondary sources so far? If you want to keep our discussion off the list, feel free to e-mail me directly at hunter1828@hotmail.com. I am a ranger with the US National Park Service, and an historian, at Fort Union Trading Post NHS and would like to share some possible source material with you that you may not have looked at. Thanks, Robert W. Thomson "Thanks to kind Providence, here I am again at good old Fort Union" Charles Larpenteur, 1838 - ---- Robert Thomson AMF Co Fort Union - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Billy Corgan" <drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: missouri river Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:16:53 EDT <snip> i am currently reconfiguring my topic on my paper to: Did the fur trade of the upper missouri river have an impact on the culture of the native americans in that region? from that which i have so read so far, i would say yes. now my goal is to see if i am correct in my first opinion and if what the impacts were. <snip> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:55:18 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: horses and mules HO CAMP! crazy cyot'' sorry about getting into this horses thing so late, but my email handler went lame. now walt i'm only 29, just look a little older because iv lead a shamefull life. joking aside, i have been in all sides of the horse buss. bu i have allways tried to relive the fur trade even if it was horse back or trapping. just to see if it could be done like the books. i have scars to show the good and bad. to back up my horse side of life.i hold a world champenship in western performance class, i guided and packed in the bob marshall full time for 3 years.part time and trail road in most of montana wilderness. when i started the griz was just another bear to the fish and game. i know how many mules you can pull and be save and i know how many a good hand can pack and get the goods to camp. i allso have pick up stuff off trails. I do not loss stuff off the pack. have left stuff at camp and from horse recks on the trail. but to fall off,not after first year. i have not need a choke string for my hat in the deep mountains. but then i grew up wearing hats. On the big open country i have used a hat jerk string whele working cows. but hid it in the hat befor i went to town. the pride thing you know. knifes, cannot say i ever lost one out of belt,usless i was in a horse ,mule reck,the i usly lost my pride and alot of hide with my knife. i have left knife at kill sits. the little people of the crow people must have a hell of collection. i try and check my steak cutter. this is enough on this for now. oh,yea, i have that trophy at hiverant metis location if you want to check on me. but come ready to do alittle horse tradeing and a full billfold. my limp is the only trophy i got for guiding and packing. i try and stay away from this past thing(makes me feel old). but SON if you want storys on griz bears,horses,mules and black powder i got the real thing for you, all you have to do is keep the fire going and feed me(and son you haven,t seen me eat). older than 21 ponyrider but more than fifty years of wet saddle blankets than harness leather and buckles make all kinds of neat things but alot of brain tain was around ready to use for what ever _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:34:54 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: buckskinning sub society walt , concho and camp. i was at a rondie and ran into a couple greeners. they were a goup of profs from some collage( leaving out names for a reason) studing as many mt man type fuctions they xcound. said there were different unv. woundering if buckskinner cound be sub society. also the fact that with a armed camped there seemed to be no confrountation serious jury type. just woundering if ether of you ran into that. damit walt old my ass , you and i will still be shanking our spirs in the ears of broncs and shooting our 1803 ,s yelling get out of my way, here i come. when the time comes. look in the shadow,s behind you i,m there ponyrider _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:56:34 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net> Subject: MtMan-List: OT............NRA..........tonight on ABC Friends, As some of you may know, tonight on ABC, Peter Jennings will moderate what "appears" to be a expose' ,of sorts, on the NRA. It will involve its dealings within the Congress, Charlton Heston and other topics you might imagine. The previews appear rather interesting. John Funk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:01:11 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: misur trade,no name people or griz bears disrup the blance of nature just by living. i have read thiss. papers on differen things of the indian and fur trading time,s. make sure you look at whole picture not just your own or from your group of study. you are dealing in the whole scope of things of nature. man is only a weak two legged. becarefull of high ups, native american class that never been in sweats or studiet that never been on the land for all seasons are teaching a class room short a lesson. even with my spelling and mis keys i put my name on the page. a person that fails to use their name doesn>t have the sand to stand in back of what they say. allso if you don,t want anyone to know your name how can we believe your work or want you have to say. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:00:07 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? Hey all you coons out there! Would this here coon be getting a good rifle-gun with that Lyman .50 cal fer as the PC of the rifle is concerned? - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:11:07 -0400 From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? I think it is pc for periods 1835 and later. My persona is the 1835 Longhunter and it fits me. It is also a great shooting rifle. I think it is modeled after the original Hawken. I can not wait to hear from all the experts on this one. FVR - ----- Original Message ----- From: <HikingOnThru@cs.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? > Hey all you coons out there! > > Would this here coon be getting a good rifle-gun with that Lyman .50 cal fer > as the PC of the rifle is concerned? > > -C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:13:41 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: missouri river I am a ranger with the US National Park Service, and an historian, at Fort Union Trading Post NHS and would like to share some possible source material with you that you may not have looked at. Thanks, Robert W. Thomson "Thanks to kind Providence, here I am again at good old Fort Union" Charles Larpenteur, 1838 - ---- Robert Thomson AMF Co Fort Union Hello Robert, How did the Fort Union Trading Post gathering go. I have seen little posted about the event. Might consider sharing sources with the list also. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:13:44 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats Howdy Walt Fifty years in the saddle, pack up to seven horses at a time and you don't tie nothing down and you have never lost a hat to the wind or a knife or nothing. Man you have got to be the luckiest man on earth. Or is it just getting a mite more windy in Montana? I believe in walking the walk if your going to talk the talk. I always thought Drug Store Cowboys was them fellers that dress the part and talk the talk but don't even know how to walk. When ya learn to run Walt I'll see ya on the trail Crazy Cyot Actually it was 54 years ago that I have one of my best memories on my way to becoming a horseman. 1946 was the summer I got my first job up on horse back. I was paid to capitalize on my shooting skills. Admittedly I was a small timer at this time but it was a grand and glorious job for me and I made good hard honest money from my shooting. I had 5 horses at this time. I am talking about Phillipsburg, Montana. Along side Flint Creek about 4 miles below town. The fact is that at that time I could not get up on my horse without help. I learned to coax my horse over to the fence. And get him to stand there. I put my air gun on the fence and climbed the fence. Grab a bit of mane and slide over on the horse. Got my gun. Talked and urged the horse into motion. His movement did not disturb the gophers which were my target. I would shoot one and then guide my horse over to the fence. Reverse the process to get down. Go get the gopher before I lost track of it. And then make the walk to get someone to pump up my Benjamin Air Rifle. Go to my horse and start all over again. Some days I got 5 a shift. Oh ya, I got my second paying job that fall after school. It was sweeping out the sawdust from my father's meat market. I made a dime. Less than I did on horse back. And I felt I was already establishing my self as a hunter nor a broom pusher. Moving on a few years. Shortly after returning from the Army I received word via my Grandfather that his friend Larry Folger was looking for a hand to replace the one let go in Chisana, Alaska. The northern end of the Rocky Mountain chain. I left Dillon, Montana right after the Alaskan earth quake for Larry's outfit. My job was to wrangle 54 head of horses he used in his guiding service there. One of my first assignments was to doctor a horse named Blue. He had suffered a bad cut behind his right hoof from a mispacked camp stove. My first main focus was to learn the expanse of the country he hunted and to learn to know the horses he wanted me to catch. I had to walk 6 to 8 miles in the dark to catch the horses. The one I would ride and lead 5,6 or 7 more. I only had one problem and that was a bear scare. I was expected to be back in camp with them before sunup. Sometimes on the way back I would see the tracks of very big bears over the top of my before light tracks. Larry's hunting trips were 21 days of hunting for 2,500 at the time. The person I replaced could not pack or cook. I will admit that in one way or another I am a lucky man. And I have never lost my knife while on horse back and I have never lost my hat either. I grew up learning the ropes. And as far as horses are concerned I have played my cards right. Just my guess, but I believe I have been running in, among, around and over the mountains as long as you have and maybe a little longer. As you were saying? Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Is the Lyman Trade Rifle PC? - --- HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > Hey all you coons out there! Would this here coon be getting a good rifle-gun with that Lyman .50 cal fer as the PC of the rifle is concerned? > -C.Kent Yes, it's an excellent gun to begin with. My Lyman GPR (Great Plains Rifle) kit just came in and this time I'm going to flatten the buttplate's curve a little bit and remove the corresponding wood for a easier mounting and prone shooting as well as off-hand. Don't know about the other two models they offer. ===== defstones Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped. Sam Levenson (1911-1980) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #644 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.