Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
On Sat, 07 October 2000, "Paul W. Jones" wrote:
> Jon:
>
> As you were polite enough to note in the subject listing, this material is
> off topic. Further, it broaches matters religious, which I, for one, do not
> care to debate in this forum. I would hope that you will restrict further
> postings to this list to matters relating to the Mountain Man era and
> genuinely related topics.
WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP AT THIS POINT !!!!
> However, Mammoths and Mastodons are a subject near and dear to me as I had
> the opportunity many years ago to work with several groups of
> paleontologists from assorted Ivy League and other schools who were
> excavating various fossil remains from my family's ranch in North Texas, and
> I would therefore like to comment about your assertions as it relates solely
> to the animal species. My understanding then, and now (from every
> recognized paleontology textbook I have been able .................
WHY CONTINUE THE SUBJECT !!!!
> The challenge of this well documented and dated evidence comes only from
> matters religious, which brings me back to the fundamental reason it is
> better to debate such issues either privately or on another list.
STOP PAUL .................
> Paul W. Jones
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Marinetti <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:47 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
WEATHER FORECAST: WINDY IN THE WEST - ONLY KIDDING PABLO.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:08:04 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
> ______________________________________________
> HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT
>"Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers,
> before production".
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Concho,
How about you or Buck let us ignorant pilgrims know what this outfit is all
about.
Dave Kanger
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 09:31:37 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - "NO MORE" on mammoths-mastadons
Jon,
The members of this list would be more interested in material that fit's this hist_list; "fur trade 1800-1840's". But one subject that seems to be of great interest is the discovery of the "Icemen" found in Europe and Canada, not our period - but the interest lies in; these where survivors by what they carried. Much like the mountainmen, the exployers and the adventures that moved around in the fur trade in N. America, survivors with similar tools of the trade.
Example: fire making kits, herbs for medicine, weapons, clothing to protect themselves - items that compare; some items of great interest that several on this list are working with now. I am very interested in the European "Iceman's" fire kit, char, etc., has he found something that we the modern mountainmen need to know about ? A friend of Buck's is working with a grass coat that he wore, much like one's worn by early natives in this country. The "Primitive Society" and "An Earlier Time" magazines have great interest in both these men as well as, "early man through the fur trade" in North and South America according to William Eaton and James Rubinfine's artilces a few years ago.
We've had several good talks about tinder, char, and steels for fire kits, excellent e-mails on clothing, etc., lets keep the idea of what was used and how it would help or hinder in the daily life of surviving in the "Stoney Mountains" as referred to by the natives and called the "Rockies" by the Europeans.
"We study the history of the Fur Trade and experiment with the equipage used in that time (reproduction and original) as well as making our camps, sampling the foods, etc. in trying to experience the life styles of our forefathers". Buck Conner 1971. From an article written for the "BuckSkin Report" thirty years ago and he as well as many others, (thousands) are still working at that experience, so let's work as we have in the past as a team in discovering what these great men of the fur trade found and how they lived from day to day through good documentation.
Sorry to be so long winded, right Pablo.
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 10:04:13 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
On Sun, 08 October 2000, ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
Haven't talked to you for sometime, last time I saw you was at your doin's at the river near Lisle, Ill., is that group still in operation - very impressive and well organized. Buck said he was invited to one of your meeting while in Lisle, and was very impressed with them and you, and what your group has got done in saving a piece of history. We all need more like you and yours, thanks.
As for the HRD; "HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT", like their statement says "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production" is just that. After good documentation with research on a given item has been completed, a sample may be made and worked with (field trialed) to see if that item is worthy of being reproduced and made available to the public, then a study is made to see how marketable that item is (will it sell). HRD would produce working models, schematics (blue prints) and documentation of the item to those that produce such things with like quality and offered to a marketing group to wholesale that item.
Sounds like a lot of work for making something period correct, but that is how this sport has grown with the deciated reenacter, historian and history buff - those that want correct equipage to experience the choosen time frame that they have grown to love and study.
We have some good folks involved in the HRD; Betty Morris of the "Historical Society" in St. Louis, James Rubinfine of "An Earlier Time" magazine (retired editor) - New England states, William Eaton of "The Colonial Society" magazine out of Williamburg, Buck Conner of Clark & Sons Merc. (retired) and of this list - Colorado, myself from Pennsylvaina and several others that I have not had the pleasure of meeting yet.
We are all experienced in a number of different areas of living history, museums, etc., we are given a subject to investage, research, document and then report our findings to HRD, for now the time doesn't warrent the pay - more of a love of doing research and just learning about our forefather's and what life was like living then.
Hope that helps Dave.
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 10:14:54 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD
On Sun, 08 October 2000, ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
Haven't talked to you for sometime, last time I saw you was at your doin's at the river near Lisle, Ill., is
that group still in operation - very impressive and well organized. Buck said he was invited to one of your meeting while in Lisle, and was very impressed with them and you, and what your group has got done in saving a piece of history. We all need more like you and yours, thanks.
As for the HRD; "HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT", like their statement says "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production" is just that. After good documentation with research on a given item has been completed, a sample may be made and worked with (field trialed) to see if that item is worthy of being reproduced and made available to the public, then a study is made to see how marketable that item is (will it sell). HRD would produce working models, schematics (blue prints) and documentation of the item to those that produce such things with like quality and offered to a marketing group to wholesale that item.
Sounds like a lot of work for making something period correct, but that is how this sport has grown with
the deciated reenacter, historian and history buff - those that want correct equipage to experience the
choosen time frame that they have grown to love and study.
We have some good folks involved in the HRD; Betty Morris of the "Historical Society" in St. Louis,
James Rubinfine of "An Earlier Time" magazine (retired editor) - New England states, William Eaton of
"The Colonial Society" magazine out of Williamburg, Buck Conner of Clark & Sons Merc. (retired) and
of this list - Colorado, myself from Pennsylvaina and several others that I have not had the pleasure of
meeting yet.
We are all experienced in a number of different areas of living history, museums, etc., we are given a
subject to investage, research, document and then report our findings to HRD, for now the time doesn't
warrent the pay - more of a love of doing research and just learning about our forefather's and what life
was like living then.
Hope that helps with your question Dave.
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 10:24:11 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD
Sorry folks,
Changed the subject line and sent, didn't realize the message had already been sent, have a good Sunday.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:05:40 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List:The Ice man.
The members of this list would be more interested in material that fit's
this hist_list; "fur trade 1800-1840's". But one subject that seems to be of
great interest is the discovery of the "Icemen" found in Europe and Canada,
not our period - but the interest lies in; these where survivors by what
they carried. Much like the mountainmen, the exployers and the adventures
that moved around in the fur trade in N. America, survivors with similar
tools of the trade.
Example: fire making kits, herbs for medicine, weapons, clothing to protect
themselves - items that compare; some items of great interest that several
on this list are working with now. I am very interested in the European
"Iceman's" fire kit, char, etc., has he found something that we the modern
mountainmen need to know about ? A friend of Buck's is working with a grass
coat that he wore, much like one's worn by early natives in this country.
The "Primitive Society" and "An Earlier Time" magazines have great interest
in both these men as well as, "early man through the fur trade" in North and
South America according to William Eaton and James Rubinfine's artilces a
few years ago.
Hey Concho,
I have been waiting for a conversation to start up from those who went to
Fort Union. Lot of hullabaloo before the event and silent after it.
However the above is well within interest to remark about it.
It is a singular ice man we are talking about. And as background. I was
stationed with NATO forces in Vicenza, Italy. Very close to where the ice
man and the equipment he was carrying was found. The reason that I am
saying this is the fact that there is a remarkable similarity of appearance
between the Alps where the ice man was found and the Beartooth Mountains
that are on the north east edge of Yellowstone Park as seen from Billings,
Montana. Looking at the Alps from Vicenza is an almost identical view from
Billings, Montana to the Beartooth Mountains. The same distance. The same
direction. A similar river [the Po] to the Yellowstone. A rimrock right
next to the river as it does in Billings. The Alps are about the same
height. Valleys go in the same way. Tops appear similar. I carried my
long straight bow with me when I went to Italy. I carried my bow and arrows
as I look around the country. Several times up along the border Austria
where the ice man was found.
When I first saw the news report I got one of those VBG on my face as I
realized I could visualize the place being reported about. I grew concerned
when I miss understand in the conjecturing that was being published. I
would like to see this conversation around the camp fire keep going. Makes
a good subject for long term understanding of mountain men from some place
else.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:05:42 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: OT - "NO MORE" on mammoths-mastadons
"We study the history of the Fur Trade and experiment with the equipage used
in that time (reproduction and original) as well as making our camps,
sampling the foods, etc. in trying to experience the life styles of our
forefathers". Buck Conner 1971. From an article written for the "BuckSkin
Report" thirty years ago and he as well as many others, (thousands) are
still working at that experience, so let's work as we have in the past as a
team in discovering what these great men of the fur trade found and how they
lived from day to day through good documentation.
Hey Concho,
Wow! How big this movement has grown within my life time. Some of you
fellars might ought to try to stop and camp on some of this historic ground
particularly to understand what it takes to winter through.
Neat to know Buck Conner was writing back in 71 for the Buckskin Report
about experience the life styles of our forefathers.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 12:06:15 -0700
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
On Sun, 08 October 2000, ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
> >"Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers,
> > before production".
> > ________________________________________HRD__
>
>
> Concho,
> How about you or Buck let us ignorant pilgrims know what this outfit is all
> about.
>
> Dave Kanger
>
> ---------------------
Dave,
You should have never asked "Concho" a question, he hasn't stopped e-mailing for an hour, probably made the paper kid mad and didn't get the Sunday News, or the girl friend is out of town. So far he's patted you on the back, made Pablo mad, and put everyone on the list to sleep, who knows what's next.
As far as the statement Concho mentioned about your reenactment group in or near Lisle, ILL - how is it doing and do you still hold your rendezvous ?
Later,
Barry "Buck" Conner
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:23:18 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List:TOF HRD and Concho
As for the HRD; "HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT", like their statement
says "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before
production" is just that. After good documentation with research on a given
item has been completed, a sample may be made and worked with (field
trialed) to see if that item is worthy of being reproduced and made
available to the public, then a study is made to see how marketable that
item is (will it sell). HRD would produce working models, schematics (blue
prints) and documentation of the item to those that produce such things with
like quality and offered to a marketing group to wholesale that item.
Sounds like an opportunity to further capitalize on the history of this
place with the marketing effort you are talking about Concho. We been doing
the same thing over the years but there is only a handful of us here along
the Yellowstone where a huge rush of tourists are expected to start. We
have already been seeing them. We may be interested in some finished
product/s but more likely supplies.
Push on it ain't that far to the top of the ridge. Good post Concho and
thanks for asking TOF.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:56 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD
- -----Original Message-----
Sounds like a lot of work for making something period correct, but that is
how this sport has grown with
the deciated reenacter, historian and history buff - those that want correct
equipage to experience the
choosen time frame that they have grown to love and study.
D. L. "Concho" Smith
Historical Advisor for:
______________________________________________
HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT
"Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers,
before production".
Concho,
Interesting that you would call this a sport. That was my eldest son who
passed in 97 nick name. I consider this a life style. A desirable way to
live. In around and among the mountains everyday. Wouldn't have it any
other way. Except I am over the hill and looking off toward the other side
camp. VBG
Keep up the interesting posts. It has been dead on this history list.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:58:47 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES
I know this is OT, but I wonder if Mamoths were good eatin ? Hmmmm ?
On another topic, was it common for old cross-cut saws to be recycled into
knives, in the fur trade era ? I have a old skinnin knife that appears to
have been home made from a very old saw blade. Anyone have any thoughts ?
Pendleton
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 13:19:00 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD
On Sun, 08 October 2000, "Walt Foster" wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> Sounds like a lot of work for making something period correct, but that is
> how this sport has grown with.................
> Concho.
> ---------------------------
> Concho,
>
> Interesting that you would call this a sport. That was my eldest son who
> passed in 97 nick name. I consider this a life style. A desirable way to
> live. In around and among the mountains everyday. Wouldn't have it any
> other way. Except I am over the hill and looking off toward the other side
> camp. VBG
>
> Keep up the interesting posts. It has been dead on this history list.
>
> Walt
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Walt,
I guess this way of life is still considered a sport as long as there are folks making maney on it selling their wares and there are folks looking at it as an activity to be involved in after their daily work. But I have to agree in what you said about a good way of life for those so lucky.
As for "HRD": To date we have researched building sites, camp/encampment sites, and portage areas; one of interest to those involved in the Fur Trade was the David ThompsonÆs house and trading post, the "Kulleyspell House" at Sand Point - Idaho.
Another Fur Trade project that turned out to be fun was the research of Marino Medina and some of his clothing found at Masonville - Colorado. This discovery changed the fur trade reenactment groups and the AMM [American Mountain Men] thinking on breeches being used this late in the century.
The reenacter, historian or history buff of the Rev. War would be interested that at Valley Forge -
Pennsylvania, at a site of a mounded trench, remains of an early copper boiler and it's half eaten iron bail proved to the reenactment and history buffÆs that such items made of copper where being used and available to the common soldier. Up to this point everyone, the ALHA [American Long Hunter Association] and several other groups assumed only tin or iron pots where used by armed forces in this time frame.
For the American Civil War student in the woods at Gettsyburg we found spent musket balls, parts or forks, knives, belt buckles from both sides, small hand tools, etc.
A remote camp site near present day Jefferson - New York yielded French & Indian and Rev. War
campware items, all interesting for each period and it lets your imagination run wild with what could of happened at one of these locations.
Some items found, researched, with a reproduction model made, are then field tested for their original intended use in an attempt to see if it was an effective item for it's purpose. With permission from the: organization, association or owner, a study is made to determine if production of the article and marketing is a worthwhile venture.
Many times the item would have limited success, only interest being a few museums or private collectors from the area the article was found, thus not worth the investment needed in making it available to the wholesale/retail trade.
Many of the items recovered are parts or pieces of a larger object, thus making an interesting research project that can lead you in several different directions before discovering what your dealing with.
There are so many neat items being unearthed at this time in our countries history it's hard to be
involved in everyone, but we make an honest effort to investigate as many as time allows.
Thank you for visiting with us, please do come back again.
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 13:28:43 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT slightly Mammoths-Horses
> > Concho,
> > How about you or Buck let us ignorant pilgrims know what this outfit is all
> > about.
> >
> > Dave Kanger
> >
> > ---------------------
>
> Dave,
>
> You should have never asked "Concho" a question, he hasn't stopped e-mailing for an hour, probably made the paper kid mad and didn't get the Sunday News, or the girl friend is out of town. So far he's patted you on the back, made Pablo mad, and put everyone on the list to sleep, who knows what's next.
>
> As far as the statement Concho mentioned about your reenactment group in or near Lisle, ILL - how is it doing and do you still hold your rendezvous ?
>
> Later,
>
> Barry "Buck" Conner
- ---------------------------
Thanks brother,
I just used your information on "HRD" to answer Walt, now your probably going to give me hell about that, only kidding Buck. And I screwed up on one post giving credit to you for that comment from "Buckskin Report" 1971, that was made by "Wound'd Bear" now known as you, Buck changes names when the girls start to compare notes, HA HA. We are even now HA HA <G>.
Dave let us know how the group is doing in ILL, we sure had some good times at your rendezvous.
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Date: 8 Oct 2000 13:40:30 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List:The Ice man.
On Sun, 08 October 2000, "Walt Foster" wrote:
>
>
> The members of this list would be more interested in material that fit's
> this hist_list; "fur trade 1800-1840's". But one subject that seems to be of
> great interest is the discovery of the "Icemen" found in Europe and Canada,
> not our period - but the interest lies in; these where survivors by what
> they carried. Much like the mountainmen, the exployers and the adventures
> that moved around in the fur trade in N. America, survivors with similar
> tools of the trade.
>
> Example: fire making kits, herbs for medicine, weapons, clothing to protect
> themselves - items that compare; some items of great interest that several
> on this list are working with now. I am very interested in the European
> "Iceman's" fire kit, char, etc., has he found something that we the modern
> mountainmen need to know about ? A friend of Buck's is working with a grass
> coat that he wore, much like one's worn by early natives in this country.
> The "Primitive Society" and "An Earlier Time" magazines have great interest
> in both these men as well as, "early man through the fur trade" in North and
> South America according to William Eaton and James Rubinfine's artilces a
> few years ago.
>
>
>
> Hey Concho,
>
> I have been waiting for a conversation to start up from those who went to
> Fort Union. Lot of hullabaloo before the event and silent after it.
> However the above is well within interest to remark about it.
>
> It is a singular ice man we are talking about. And as background. I was
> stationed with NATO forces in Vicenza, Italy. Very close to where the ice
> man and the equipment he was carrying was found. The reason that I am
> saying this is the fact that there is a remarkable similarity of appearance
> between the Alps where the ice man was found and the Beartooth Mountains
> that are on the north east edge of Yellowstone Park as seen from Billings,
> Montana. Looking at the Alps from Vicenza is an almost identical view from
> Billings, Montana to the Beartooth Mountains. The same distance. The same
> direction. A similar river [the Po] to the Yellowstone. A rimrock right
> next to the river as it does in Billings. The Alps are about the same
> height. Valleys go in the same way. Tops appear similar. I carried my
> long straight bow with me when I went to Italy. I carried my bow and arrows
> as I look around the country. Several times up along the border Austria
> where the ice man was found.
>
> When I first saw the news report I got one of those VBG on my face as I
> realized I could visualize the place being reported about. I grew concerned
> when I miss understand in the conjecturing that was being published. I
> would like to see this conversation around the camp fire keep going. Makes
> a good subject for long term understanding of mountain men from some place
> else.
>
> Walt
- -----------------------
Walt,
I'm looking for my notes on his fire kit, medicine, etc. this mountainman (Ice Man) of the past was well heeled with much the same as we carry in "living history" camps. Buck's friend Jerry LaVelle, a student of 30 years of wild edibles of the Rockies has really gotten into this find the Ice Man, has duplicated some of the items, does the "Primitive Society" camps like "Winter Count" and "Rabbit Stick" every year just because of the interest of the "Ice Man". We the members of the hist_list and the "Ice Man" are very similar in how we survive will in camp and on the trail, its amazing how close in equipage as you say.
I'll be back as that big dumby says.
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D. L. "Concho" Smith
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______________________________________________
HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:07 EDT
From: Wind1838@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES
You know I bet mammoths would have been excellent eating if cooked properly
in a Dutch oven <BG>.
Laura Glise
(I couldn't help myself. Pendleton dared me to do it.)
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:32:50 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES
Hi Laura,
Do you and Pendleton know the difference between the Mammoth and Mastodon?
Were either you or Pendleton at fort union?
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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You know I bet mammoths would have been excellent eating if cooked properly
in a Dutch oven <BG>.
Laura Glise
(I couldn't help myself. Pendleton dared me to do it.)
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:32:52 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: [OT] HRD
I guess this way of life is still considered a sport as long as there are
folks making maney on it selling their wares and there are folks looking at
it as an activity to be involved in after their daily work. But I have to
agree in what you said about a good way of life for those so lucky.
Concho, I always thought that was trading not sport. I don't call it luck,
but I guess your right.
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:36:24 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MAMOTHS AND SKINNIN KNIVES
Mastodon?
>> Hell Walt I can't even spell such a thing without a computer. No I
wasn't at Fort Union. Maybe I outta have been though.
Pendleton
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:55:08 -0600
From: Buck Conner <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:The Ice man.
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Concho wrote:
> On Sun, 08 October 2000, "Walt Foster" wrote:
> > The members of this list would be more interested in material that fit's
> > this hist_list; "fur trade 1800-1840's". But one subject that seems to be of
> > great interest is the discovery of the "Icemen" found in Europe and Canada,
> > not our period - but the interest lies in; these where survivors by what
> > they carried. Much like the mountainmen, the exployers and the adventures
> > that moved around in the fur trade in N. America, survivors with similar
> > tools of the trade.
> >
> > Example: fire making kits, herbs for medicine, weapons, clothing to protect
> > themselves - items that compare; some items of great interest that several
> > on this list are working with now. I am very interested in the European
> > "Iceman's" fire kit, char, etc., has he found something that we the modern
> > mountainmen need to know about ? A friend of Buck's is working with a grass
> > coat that he wore, much like one's worn by early natives in this country.
> > The "Primitive Society" and "An Earlier Time" magazines have great interest
> > in both these men as well as, "early man through the fur trade" in North and
> > South America according to William Eaton and James Rubinfine's artilces a
> > few years ago.
> > Hey Concho,
> >
> > I have been waiting for a conversation to start up from those who went to
> > Fort Union. Lot of hullabaloo before the event and silent after it.
> > However the above is well within interest to remark about it. It is a singular ice man we are talking about. And as background. I was stationed with NATO forces in Vicenza, Italy. Very close to where the ice........................
> > When I first saw the news report I got one of those VBG on my face as I
> > realized I could visualize the place being reported about. I grew concerned
> > when I miss understand in the conjecturing that was being published. I
> > would like to see this conversation around the camp fire keep going. Makes
> > a good subject for long term understanding of mountain men from some place
> > else.
> >
> > Walt
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>
> Walt,
>
> I'm looking for my notes on his fire kit, medicine, etc. this mountainman (Ice Man) of the past was well heeled with much the same as we carry in "living history" camps.................
>
> I'll be back as that big dumby says.
>
> In the footsteps of others,
>
> D. L. "Concho" Smith
We know who the "big dummy" is don't we Concho !
Don't tell him I've change my e-mail address to:
conner1@uswest.net
please make a change on your address book, thanks.
Later,
Barry "Buck" Conner
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Concho wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Sun, 08 October 2000, "Walt Foster" wrote:
<br>> The members of this list would be more interested in material that
fit's
<br>> this hist_list; "fur trade 1800-1840's". But one subject that seems
to be of
<br>> great interest is the discovery of the "Icemen" found in Europe and
Canada,
<br>> not our period - but the interest lies in; these where survivors
by what
<br>> they carried. Much like the mountainmen, the exployers and the adventures
<br>> that moved around in the fur trade in N. America, survivors with
similar
<br>> tools of the trade.
<br>>
<br>> Example: fire making kits, herbs for medicine, weapons, clothing
to protect
<br>> themselves - items that compare; some items of great interest that
several
<br>> on this list are working with now. I am very interested in the European
<br>> "Iceman's" fire kit, char, etc., has he found something that we the
modern
<br>> mountainmen need to know about ? A friend of Buck's is working with
a grass
<br>> coat that he wore, much like one's worn by early natives in this
country.
<br>> The "Primitive Society" and "An Earlier Time" magazines have great
interest
<br>> in both these men as well as, "early man through the fur trade" in
North and
<br>> South America according to William Eaton and James Rubinfine's artilces
a
<br>> few years ago.</blockquote>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Hey Concho,
<br>>
<br>> I have been waiting for a conversation to start up from those who
went to
<br>> Fort Union. Lot of hullabaloo before the event and silent after
it.
<br>> However the above is well within interest to remark about it.
It is a singular ice man we are talking about. And as background.
I was stationed with NATO forces in Vicenza, Italy. Very close to
where the ice........................</blockquote>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> When I first saw the news report I got one of those
VBG on my face as I
<br>> realized I could visualize the place being reported about.
I grew concerned
<br>> when I miss understand in the conjecturing that was being published.
I
<br>> would like to see this conversation around the camp fire keep going.
Makes
<br>> a good subject for long term understanding of mountain men from some
place
<br>> else.
<br>>
<br>> Walt
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<p>Walt,
<p>I'm looking for my notes on his fire kit, medicine, etc. this mountainman
(Ice Man) of the past was well heeled with much the same as we carry in
"living history" camps.................
<p>I'll be back as that big dumby says.
<p>In the footsteps of others,
<p>D. L. "Concho" Smith</blockquote>
We know who the "big dummy" is don't we Concho !
<p>Don't tell him I've change my e-mail address to:
<p>conner1@uswest.net
<p>please make a change on your address book, thanks.
