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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #639 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, October 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 639 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths -áááááá MtMan-List: whose list? -áááááá MtMan-List: Unsubscribe MtMan List -áááááá MtMan-List: TENT FOR SALE -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá MtMan-List: a contact for John Luzader? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whose list? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whose list? -áááááá MtMan-List: Re:Query: Women and guns -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Query: women and guns, part 2 -áááááá MtMan-List: Bitterroot Valley Fire pic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths Need to clarify my earlier post. The belt or sash goes through a slit in the rawhide sheath and OVER the sheathed knife. The slit holds the sheath and the belt/sash maintains tension/pressure over the blade. Twarn't a minor detail I left out; sorry. - --- Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> wrote: > Wynn, > I guess I tie (pardon the pun) tthe two > together. In days past, when > I had > a knife and the sheath fall out, most of the time > the knife came out > too. Tension between the body and sash or belt with > the shealth is > supposed > to hold it in place. But bending over, getting on > horses and innumerable > > other situations helps work the shealth free. That > is why I use a small > tie on sheath, it helps with both problems. A tie is > a small detail when > it came > to water colors and pencil drawings, which I think > was just left out or > covered > up. > I guess the assumption that Indians used to keep > knives in place > without wangs might need more looking into. George > Caltin ( "Letters > and Notes on the Manners, Customs and Conditions of > North American > Indians" volume one, figure 99) shows a page of > detailed drawings of > knives, > hawks and clubs. One of the few that you will find. > He draws two knives > at > the top of the page and one of them has leather > shealth (with the hair > still on) and a > small tie to the side. > My comments were only to be a help with a > problem we all face at > some time. > As far as hats staying on: it has taken me over two > years to get my > felt, wide brim > hat to stay on. And I still haven't figured out if > the hat molded to my > head or my > head to the hat. But I still use a leather wang on > that too. Tall horses > or sloping > hill sides always gets the best of me when it comes > to hats and other > misc. things. > > mike. > > Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote: > > > Maybe I should leave this alone but Mike if you > agree that the knife > > should stay in the belt but you put a thong on it > to hold it under the > > belt you have not agreed with Walt. I keep > hearing how you can tuck > > it under and it will not fall out, but it does not > stay for me without > > being tied on in some way. To clarify, the knife > does not fall out of > > the sheath but the sheath does not stay under a > leather belt without a > > thong or tie worth beans. As to the Indians I > believe they used neck > > sheaths as much as putting them in a belt. As to > the hat I can agree > > that the fit can make a lot of difference but my > money still goes that > > anybody who kept their hat long did it with a > stampede strap, whether > > Miller shows them or not. Call it experimental > history. RegardsWY > ===== defstones "Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the future." - -Native American Proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:16:15 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C02BF5.37124520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe I should leave this alone but Mike if you agree that the knife should stay in the belt but you put a thong on it to hold it under the belt you have not agreed with Walt. I keep hearing how you can tuck it under and it will not fall out, but it does not stay for me without being tied on in some way. To clarify, the knife does not fall out of the sheath but the sheath does not stay under a leather belt without a thong or tie worth beans. As to the Indians I believe they used neck sheaths as much as putting them in a belt. As to the hat I can agree that the fit can make a lot of difference but my money still goes that anybody who kept their hat long did it with a stampede strap, whether Miller shows them or not. Call it experimental history. Regards WY No reason to leave this alone. IÆm not up to arguing. I have learned over time what it takes to keep my belt knife where I want it. And on a regular everyday basis the knife stays put in raw hide covered with brain tan moose. In wearing a sash over the last ten years or so has given me the time to figure out how to tuck the knife sheath through one of the two wraps around of the sash and twist the knife sheath over the other sash wrap and lock it under the other one. Try running with a neck sheath or up on horse back bouncing around. Could be hard on teeth. I think neck sheaths were tucked inside shirts. When worn on the out side it was parade rest. Rough movement would not swing it up to hit you in the face. Out here we call straps like that chokers. I have been around horsemen all my life and I have never know one to wear one. A good part of keeping your hat on beside a good fit is holding you head right. Mine feels like a helmet. I use it to protect my face. Of course I am talking Montana and Alaska here because I have never ridden in any other place. I donÆt doubt that they were never used. Just never did need one. Sometime a feller looses his hat. Most of the time he can go back and get it. Wind and all. Take care if you use one. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C02BF5.37124520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C02BF4.A9E75AA0">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=3DSection1> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></= p> Maybe I should = leave this alone but Mike if you agree that the knife should stay in the belt but = you put a thong on it to hold it under the belt you have not agreed with = Walt. I keep hearing how you can tuck it under and it will not fall out, but it = does not stay for me without being tied on in some = way. <o:p></o:p></= p> <o:p></o:p></= p> To clarify, the = knife does not fall out of the sheath but the sheath does not stay under a = leather belt without a thong or tie worth beans. As to the Indians I believe they used neck sheaths as much as putting them in a belt. = <o:p></o:p></= p> <o:p></o:p></= p> As to the hat I = can agree that the fit can make a lot of difference but my money still goes that = anybody who kept their hat long did it with a stampede strap, whether Miller = shows them or not. Call it experimental history. = <o:p></o:p> </fo= nt><o:p></o:p></= p> Regards</f= ont><o:p></o:p></= p> WY<= font color=3Dnavy><o:p></o:p></= p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> No= reason to leave this alone. = I’m not up to arguing. I have learned = over time what it takes to keep my belt knife where I want it. And on a regular everyday basis the knife stays put = in raw hide covered with brain tan moose. In wearing a sash over the last ten years or so has given me the = time to figure out how to tuck the knife sheath through one of the two wraps = around of the sash and twist the knife sheath over the other sash wrap and lock it = under the other one. = <o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Tr= y running with a neck sheath or up on horse back bouncing around. Could be hard on teeth. I think neck sheaths were = tucked inside shirts. When worn on the = out side it was parade rest. Rough = movement would not swing it up to hit you in the = face.<o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Ou= t here we call straps like that chokers. I have been around horsemen all my life and I have never know one = to wear one. A good part of = keeping your hat on beside a good fit is holding you head right. Mine feels like a helmet. I use it to protect my = face. Of course I am talking Montana = and Alaska here because I have never ridden in any other place. = <o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> I = don’t doubt that they were never used. Just never did need one. Sometime a feller looses his hat. Most of the time he can go back and get it. Wind and all.<o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Ta= ke care if you use one.<o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Wa= lt<o:p></o:p> Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837<o:p></o:p> Yellowsto= ne Canoe Camp<o:p></o:p= > On the = Lewis & Clark Trail<o:= p></o:p> Park = City, Montana <o:p></o:p= > <= span class=3DEmailStyle15><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p><= /p> </div> </body> </html> - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C02BF5.37124520-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:32:47 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: whose list? No problemo here. I had thought that this list belonged to the AMM. I was mistaken. First time in my life. My contributions will continue to be few, however, as when it comes to RMFT my knowledge is limited. I do enjoy reading the input and learning. The list has changed some of my opinions on various items. I won't use some of the "trigger" words because of fear of starting another avalanche. When the time comes to attend an r'vous that is strick AMM style juried, I guess I'll have to suffer a tired back without benefit of a chair. But where I won't get my hair lifted for doin' it, I guarantee I will have somethin' to set the old bones in. Regards to this e-campfire, Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:45:50 EDT From: HawkerAmm@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Unsubscribe MtMan List Dean, Please unsubscribe. Thank you. YF&B, Bob - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:46:18 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: MtMan-List: TENT FOR SALE I have a PANTHER PRIMITIVE 12'x14' wall tent (5' walls) for sale if anyone is interested. It's been used approximately 4 times. Made of SUNFORAGER MARINE CANVASS. In their latest catalog, it lists for $455, plus $38 for the sod cloth. I'm selling mine for $375 plus shipping (approx. 60#). Anyone interested, contact me off list or call me at 304-445.2932. Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:36:51 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease Why do you think this is off topic?? It's the kind of stuff we like to see. Oh well. OK, my answer is spit. Plain old mouth moisture. I carry a canteen of water with me on the firing line and on survival walks so that my mouth stays moist. The first thing I do is put a patch in my mouth between shots so that it's good and wet when I need it. It also helps to have a cleaning rod with oiled cleaning patch and swab the bore between shots. I use any machine oil (3 in 1, WD-40, or even 2 stroke motor oil.) The only other thing might be to take a bore brush to the bore after maybe 10 shots. Never had a problem. HBC ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:22:33 GMT From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: a contact for John Luzader? Gentlemen & Ladies, Does anyone out there know how to get ahold of Mr. John Luzader? I worked with him in the trade room at Bent's this summer and wanted to get some info from him...any help is appreciated- Sincerely, Scott McMahon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:10:23 -0500 From: "J. Fluhmann" <jfluhman@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease Hey Henry ol' friend, I've seen ya shoot and you suck at it.......<VBG> and I know for a fact that it ain't water in that gourd of yours... just kiddin' Henry, but I just couldn't resist....... BTW...sorry that I missed you Saturday at Fort Concho.... For what it's worth, I use bees wax and olive oil for a lube and don't swab any during a shoot of about 40 shots. "Butt Ugly" John Fluhmann - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease > Why do you think this is off topic?? It's the kind of stuff we like to > see. Oh well. > > OK, my answer is spit. Plain old mouth moisture. I carry a canteen of > water with me on the firing line and on survival walks so that my mouth > stays moist. The first thing I do is put a patch in my mouth between shots > so that it's good and wet when I need it. It also helps to have a cleaning > rod with oiled cleaning patch and swab the bore between shots. I use any > machine oil (3 in 1, WD-40, or even 2 stroke motor oil.) The only other > thing might be to take a bore brush to the bore after maybe 10 shots. > Never had a problem. > > HBC > > ********************************** > Henry B. Crawford > Curator of History > Museum of Texas Tech University > Box 43191 > Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu > 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 > Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum > *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 18:33:00 -0700 From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whose list? On Mon, 02 October 2000, "Frank Fusco" wrote: > No problemo here. > I had thought that this list belonged to the AMM. I was mistaken. First > time in my life. > My contributions will continue to be few, however, as when it comes to > RMFT my knowledge is limited. I do enjoy reading the input and learning. > The list has changed some of my opinions on various items. I won't use some > of the "trigger" words because of fear of starting another avalanche. > When the time comes to attend an r'vous that is strick AMM style juried, > I guess I'll have to suffer a tired back without benefit of a chair. But > where I won't get my hair lifted for doin' it, I guarantee I will have > somethin' to set the old bones in. > Regards to this e-campfire, Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas > ---------------------- Frank, There are several that have the AMM "membership_list" and the "Hist_list" mixed up so do not feel like you where singled out. Lanney was just explaining the two differences to help with the confussion. As far as knowledge, your replies are very interesting and help with adding to the conversations, so please don't feel you lack anything and keep us informed on areas that you feel your expertise excells in. Your reply and attitude is very much needed on this list, some would just come back with off the wall remark and hurt feelings, that usually end up in a pissing contest or some dropping off the list - then everyone suffers. Thanks again Frank, I mean this. Your welcome anytime at my camp, AMM, NRA, or not. Later, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit my camp at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 18:43:25 -0700 From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths On Sun, 01 October 2000, S Jones wrote: > Need to clarify my earlier post. The belt or sash goes > through a slit in the rawhide sheath and OVER the > sheathed knife. The slit holds the sheath and the > belt/sash maintains tension/pressure over the blade. > Twarn't a minor detail I left out; sorry. > > --- Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I guess the assumption that Indians used to keep > > knives in place > > without wangs might need more looking into. George > > Caltin ( "Letters > > and Notes on the Manners, Customs and Conditions of > > North American > > Indians" volume one, figure 99) shows a page of > > detailed drawings of > > knives, > > hawks and clubs. One of the few that you will find. > > He draws two knives > > at > > the top of the page and one of them has leather > > shealth (with the hair > > still on) and a > > small tie to the side....... > > > > Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote: > > > Maybe I should leave this alone but Mike if you > > agree that the knife > > > should stay in the belt but you put a thong on it > > to hold it under the > > > belt you have not agreed with Walt. I keep > > hearing how you can tuck > > > it under and it will not fall out, but it does not > > stay for me without > > > being tied on in some way.......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What Mike has written can be seen at the Museum of the Fur Trade in Chardon NE, and at the Western Museum in Durango CO, as well as in the book mentioned and in several other sources of which is the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. Have tried as suggested with the slot and finally tried and use a thong as suggested, thong works easier in removing sheath from sash when in camp or when mother nature calls. Later, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit my camp at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 19:29:07 -0700 From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whose list? On Mon, 02 October 2000, Buck Conner wrote: > > On Mon, 02 October 2000, "Frank Fusco" wrote: > > No problemo here. > > I had thought that this list belonged to the AMM. I was mistaken. First > > time in my life. > > My contributions will continue to be few, however, as when it comes to > > RMFT my knowledge is limited. I do enjoy reading the input and learning. > > The list has changed some of my opinions on various items. I won't use some > > of the "trigger" words because of fear of starting another avalanche. > > When the time comes to attend an r'vous that is strick AMM style juried, > > I guess I'll have to suffer a tired back without benefit of a chair. But > > where I won't get my hair lifted for doin' it, I guarantee I will have > > somethin' to set the old bones in. > > Regards to this e-campfire, Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas > > ---------------------- > > Frank, > > There are several that have the AMM "membership_list" and the "Hist_list" mixed up so do not feel like you where singled out. Lanney was just explaining the two differences to help with the confussion. > > As far as knowledge, your replies are very interesting and help with adding to the conversations, so please don't feel you lack anything and keep us informed on areas that you feel your expertise excells in. > > Your reply and attitude is very much needed on this list, some would just come back with off the wall remark and hurt feelings, that usually end up in a pissing contest or some dropping off the list - then everyone suffers. > > Thanks again Frank, I mean this. Your welcome anytime at my camp, AMM, NRA, or not. > > Later, > > Barry "Buck" Conner > - --------------- Well put Buck, I enjoy Frank and all the other's comments, interesting to get all the different opinions on the varied subjects. Wouldn't it be a bore if we all agreed. In the footsteps of others, D. L. "Concho" Smith Historical Advisor for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:12:01 -0700 From: gail jenner <gfiorini@sisqtel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Query: Women and guns I'm looking into article ideas (on speculation at this point) on Women and Guns. Am looking for first-hand details (modern day) about women and guns, eg: hunting, use of, attitudes about. I think it might be an important kind of input regarding the positive picture of guns and women. If you have any ideas or know of anyone willing to be interviewed or profiled (WOMEN!), please email me! I appreciate it!! Thanks, Gail Gail L. Fiorini-Jenner gfiorini@sisqtel.net ACROSS THE SWEET GRASS HILLS, to be released Winter 2000 ISBN#0-88739-302-0 "Dream lofty dreams -- and as you dream, so shall you become." - John Ruskin difiorini.com - coming soon! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:13:53 -0700 From: gail jenner <gfiorini@sisqtel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Query: women and guns, part 2 Hi again! Actually, I could look at women in the past as well as present day women and guns. Any favorite women in history, besides the obvious/popular ones always mentioned? Again, thanks!! Gail - -- Gail L. Fiorini-Jenner gfiorini@sisqtel.net ACROSS THE SWEET GRASS HILLS, to be released Winter 2000 ISBN#0-88739-302-0 "Dream lofty dreams -- and as you dream, so shall you become." - John Ruskin difiorini.com - coming soon! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:41:52 -0500 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Bitterroot Valley Fire pic To see an awesome pic of the Bitterroot Fire, go to: http://www.misoulian.com/bonus/elkfire.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:01:52 -0500 From: "jdearing" <jdearing@brick.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C02D5B.A090EC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I keep hearing how you can tuck it under and it will not fall out, but = it does not stay for me without being tied on in some way. =20 =20 To clarify, the knife does not fall out of the sheath but the sheath = does not stay under a leather belt without a thong or tie worth beans. = As to the Indians I believe they used neck sheaths as much as putting = them in a belt. =20 A knife in a braintanned buckskin sheath tucked in a sash will not = normally slip from the sash. I have not found a good proper period way to keep a heavy leather = sheath from falling out from=20 under a leather belt, other than tying it on with a whang.=20 J.D. - ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C02D5B.A090EC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I keep hearing how you can tuck it = under and it=20 will not fall out, but it does not stay for me without being tied on = in some=20 way. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To clarify, the knife does not fall = out of the=20 sheath but the sheath does not stay under a leather belt without a = thong =20 or tie worth beans. As to the Indians I believe they used neck = sheaths=20 as much as putting them in a belt. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A knife in a braintanned buckskin = sheath tucked=20 in a sash will not normally slip from the sash.</DIV> <DIV>I have not found a good proper period = way to keep=20 a heavy leather sheath from falling out from </DIV> <DIV>under a leather=20 belt, other than tying it on with a whang. </DIV> <DIV>J.D.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C02D5B.A090EC60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #639 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.