I believe Randy is from Ft. Union area, Buck is from Green Mountain Colo. - should have gotten home last night from a long deserved vacation, first one his wife said that they had together in 10 years. I'm surprised he still able to walk being the case, she's a good shot and swings a mean frying pan.
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Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:20:53 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths
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Wynn,
I guess I tie (pardon the pun) tthe two together. In days past, when
I had
a knife and the sheath fall out, most of the time the knife came out
too. Tension between the body and sash or belt with the shealth is
supposed
to hold it in place. But bending over, getting on horses and innumerable
other situations helps work the shealth free. That is why I use a small
tie on sheath, it helps with both problems. A tie is a small detail when
it came
to water colors and pencil drawings, which I think was just left out or
covered
up.
I guess the assumption that Indians used to keep knives in place
without wangs might need more looking into. George Caltin ( "Letters
and Notes on the Manners, Customs and Conditions of North American
Indians" volume one, figure 99) shows a page of detailed drawings of
knives,
hawks and clubs. One of the few that you will find. He draws two knives
at
the top of the page and one of them has leather shealth (with the hair
still on) and a
small tie to the side.
My comments were only to be a help with a problem we all face at
some time.
As far as hats staying on: it has taken me over two years to get my
felt, wide brim
hat to stay on. And I still haven't figured out if the hat molded to my
head or my
head to the hat. But I still use a leather wang on that too. Tall horses
or sloping
hill sides always gets the best of me when it comes to hats and other
misc. things.
mike.
Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
> Maybe I should leave this alone but Mike if you agree that the knife
> should stay in the belt but you put a thong on it to hold it under the
> belt you have not agreed with Walt. I keep hearing how you can tuck
> it under and it will not fall out, but it does not stay for me without
> being tied on in some way. To clarify, the knife does not fall out of
> the sheath but the sheath does not stay under a leather belt without a
> thong or tie worth beans. As to the Indians I believe they used neck
> sheaths as much as putting them in a belt. As to the hat I can agree
> that the fit can make a lot of difference but my money still goes that
> anybody who kept their hat long did it with a stampede strap, whether
> Miller shows them or not. Call it experimental history. RegardsWY
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Wynn,
<br> I guess I tie (pardon the pun) tthe two together.
In days past, when I had
<br>a knife and the sheath fall out, most of the time the knife came out
<br>too. Tension between the body and sash or belt with the shealth is
supposed
<br>to hold it in place. But bending over, getting on horses and innumerable
<br>other situations helps work the shealth free. That is why I use a small
<br>tie on sheath, it helps with both problems. A tie is a small detail
when it came
<br>to water colors and pencil drawings, which I think was just left out
or covered
<br>up.
<br> I guess the assumption that Indians used to keep
knives in place
<br>without wangs might need more looking into. George Caltin ( "Letters
<br>and Notes on the Manners, Customs and Conditions of North American
<br>Indians" volume one, figure 99) shows a page of detailed drawings of
knives,
<br>hawks and clubs. One of the few that you will find. He draws two knives
at
<br>the top of the page and one of them has leather shealth (with the hair
still on) and a
<br>small tie to the side.
<br> My comments were only to be a help with a problem
we all face at some time.
<br>As far as hats staying on: it has taken me over two years to get my
felt, wide brim
<br>hat to stay on. And I still haven't figured out if the hat molded to
my head or my
<br>head to the hat. But I still use a leather wang on that too. Tall horses
or sloping
<br>hill sides always gets the best of me when it comes to hats and other
misc. things.
<br>
mike.
<p>Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
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<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Maybe
I should leave this alone but Mike if you agree that the knife should stay
in the belt but you put a thong on it to hold it under the belt you have
not agreed with Walt. I keep hearing how you can tuck it under and
it will not fall out, but it does not stay for me without being tied on
in some way.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>To clarify,
the knife does not fall out of the sheath but the sheath does not stay
under a leather belt without a thong or tie worth beans. As
to the Indians I believe they used neck sheaths as much as putting them
in a belt.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>As to the
hat I can agree that the fit can make a lot of difference but my money
still goes that anybody who kept their hat long did it with a stampede
strap, whether Miller shows them or not. Call it experimental history.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Regards</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>WY</font></font></blockquote>
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