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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:14:12 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri r./ fur trade
Dear -b, aka Billy Corgan, aka Chris Riddle, aka drownyoursorrows:
Who the hell are you anyway???
It seems you have determined that "man" is not part of the natural order:
hence, by your reasoning, it must be true; men are from Mars and women are
from Venus. Or are we all from Uranus?
Nothing you've said so far suggests an open mind.
Your broad statements of "fact" are unsupported by evidence.
You probably get good grades in school.
A know-it-all-already university student without a real email address or
name doesn't warrant answers, courtesy or consideration.
John...
At 02:13 PM 10/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I was not trying to put forth the idea that I have a negativ view of the
>situation going into the paper which I am writing. It is a fact though
>that no matter what, ever time man has populated a region and exploited
>its resources, something environmentally negative has happened. Man
>naturally throws off the cycle of life due to overhunting, building dams,
>pollution from cities/trade posts, and wastes from man made
>technologies. It is impossible to say that man had no adverse effect on
>the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers as a result of the fur trade, and
>other factors, which caused a large increase in population in that
>area. I hope to discuss as well the positive effects of man, but it is
>hard to see how building up cities is in any way positive to nature. The
>fur trade may not be at fault for the cities, but the fur trade was a
>major part of industry, was it not?
>I am still in the planning stages of this paper, and am trying to
>determine what angle I would be best to take. So far I have not made up
>my mind and have a lot of research to do, obviously. Once I have done my
>general research I plan to formulate my angle of approach and attack the
>situation from there.
>Thank you to those who helped me out with finding information, you have
>helped enlighten me about the realities of the fur trade and when I get to
>reading all the material in full I will hopefully have my ideas straight.
>Thanks again.
>-b
"Never ascribe to malice that which is
adequately explained by incompetence."
Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:31:46 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: missouri r./ fur trade
Who the hell are you anyway???
Pull your war club back John. Stand steady. Give the kid a chance to
clarify himself. If you have not scared him away already Where are them
boys who went off to ft union. Why are they so quiet?
Walt out of his badgerhole
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:00:34 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
On Wed, 04 October 2000, CTOAKES@aol.com wrote:
>
> I make sure I always make my knives secure. The same goes
> for my hawk, one of the only early casualties in Sullivans campaign against
> the Senecas was a soldier that fell back on the hawk blade he had stuck in
> his belt. He did not have a sheath. And there is on record an incident
> where Rogers Rangers got chewed out for not using their sheaths on their
> hawks for safety during travel, so I always use one.
>
> Y.H.O.S.
>
> C.T. Oakes
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If your a student of the Rogers Rangers period you'll find he required sheathes on any edged tool and secured when traveling, time was important and being held up for an injury as discribed earlier was not needed.
In the footsteps of others,
D. L. "Concho" Smith
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Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:08:36 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sash knifes and hats
On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Terrance Luff" wrote:
>
> there are many differant way to slip sheath into a sash. the metis have long
> .made sheaths for sashs. most of the have drops of beads or quill work for
> the bottom and space then top, this is to help the balance of sheath also
> some of the old sheaths withe sash drops also have a loop in back . felt
> hats with strings to help hold on. the old nick name choke strings has a
> reason. make sure that the string are brake able if they get caught in
> trees. there are some drawings (?) of trappers with hate strings.but is this
> a new comer to our western big winds? how many photo,s of old timers with
> choke strings on.? iv been around felt all live time and choke strings are
> for new hats just screw the hat down harder, But then you"ll look like me no
