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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #636 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 636 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá MtMan-List: here too -áááááá MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Firelighting -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Firelighting -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trade Guns -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. OFF Topic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. OFF Topic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease -áááááá MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease How do the following compare in field tests as all-in-one patch lube, fouling softener, bore protector and seasoner? Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:50:13 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease > Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. I use it along with olive oil for lube in the lock and it will work for patch lube too. > > extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L I also use bear grease for patch lube and it works in Nov. elk hunting in Idaho (two elk, two years) > > buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). Don't have any buffalo grease but it will work too. How in the heck did they shoot mls all those hundreds of years with such success not having soap and water to clean with out on the prarie's and way out on the fringe of now where? How did they lube their patches without all the modern lubes you buy at Wally World and etc? How did they clean their guns and make them last hundreds of years without wire brushes fitting the ends of their aluminum ram rods? Nautral works just fine. Probably differing in each gun. Find something natural that works in your gun and when things get a bit sticky during a long shoot, wet a patch on your tongue and wipe the bore a bit and go back at it. Save your money for that really nice Jacky Brown or ? rather than all the madison avenue hype stuff off the shelf. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:54:35 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease Hear, hear, Capt. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lahti <rtlahti@email.msn.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease > > Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. > > I use it along with olive oil for lube in the lock and it will work for > patch lube too. > > > > > extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L > > I also use bear grease for patch lube and it works in Nov. elk hunting in > Idaho (two elk, two years) > > > > > buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). > > Don't have any buffalo grease but it will work too. > > How in the heck did they shoot mls all those hundreds of years with such > success not having soap and water to clean with out on the prarie's and way > out on the fringe of now where? How did they lube their patches without all > the modern lubes you buy at Wally World and etc? How did they clean their > guns and make them last hundreds of years without wire brushes fitting the > ends of their aluminum ram rods? > > Nautral works just fine. Probably differing in each gun. Find something > natural that works in your gun and when things get a bit sticky during a > long shoot, wet a patch on your tongue and wipe the bore a bit and go back > at it. Save your money for that really nice Jacky Brown or ? rather than all > the madison avenue hype stuff off the shelf. I remain..... > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:22:28 EDT From: Galac11@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease In a message dated 9/28/00 9:44:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: > > How in the heck did they shoot mls all those hundreds of years with such > success not having soap and water to clean with out on the prarie's and way > out on the fringe of now where? How did they lube their patches without all > the modern lubes you buy at Wally World and etc? How did they clean their > guns and make them last hundreds of years without wire brushes fitting the > ends of their aluminum ram rods? > Cleaning- with boiling water and a patch on the ramrod <G>; Patch lube was with any type of lard/fat or with plain old spit if nothing else was handy. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:37:58 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: here too Thanks, Hawk I have been on the amm list a long time but seldom place messages. The reason is that I am not expert on the subject of authenticity for the RMFT. And, believe it or not, do know when to keep my e-mouth shut. My persona has long been a Rev. Rifleman. Lot of what I have long believed to be acceptable practices for rendezvous re-enactement, I have found is just an easy way out of doing it right [i.e. artificial sinew]. I seldom get to r'vous anymore due to family responsibilities. But I still try to think and behave as a member of the 'brotherhood' might. My pack basket and flinter rifle are only a step away from the computer. On top of my monitor is a replica ink pot with a quill pen in it to remind me that we do not need computers to create and communicate. To paraphrase the great poet, Robert Service 'tis but three days from civilized man to savage'. I believe strongly that learning and maintaining outdoors survival skills is vital to understanding just how important freedom is and the struggles that brought us from the 1700s to now. Regards, Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:52:33 EDT From: "Billy Corgan" <drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade Hello, I am a junior Environmental Policy major at Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio. I am currently writing a paper for my Native American History class. My topic is the Ecological Impacts of the Fur Trade on the Missouri River. I am focusing on what the fur trade of the 19th century did to the river, mainly due to overhunting by the natives and the trading companies who were out to make a profit. Any information anyone can provide me with to help me would be greatly appreciated. I am looking for web sites, government documents, books, magazines, and any other media which could be of help. Thank you for your time, Chris Riddle Junior Environmental Policy and Analysis Bowling Green State University _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:01:08 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:21:58 -0400 (EDT) JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) writes: > >How do the following compare in field tests as all-in-one patch lube, >fouling softener, bore protector and seasoner? > >Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. > >extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L > >buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >from Michigan >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ guy---I have used all three of these lubes when testing several years ago and all are good hunting lubes and are very comparable in their slickness if you used and each shot with the same powder charge and patch material what you will find is not much of a variance in point of impact---you will need to clean between shots as i said these are primarily hunting lubes and not primary target lubes they will build a slight bit more hard residue in the bore than a target lube which keeps the fouling softer and easier to remove--- the jobola oil is close to sperm but not quite the same---sperm is a better oil and a bit slicker and finer lube in my estimation ----do the slide test (piece of glass and a 1.00 sq piece of steel---I use a gage block--- set glass at about 30 degree angle---apply the oil and compare the speed of the sliding of the block---as far as stacking the 3 in a order of preference i would go with them in this order: 1. Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. 2. buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). 3. extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L as for comparing accuracy they are about the same not enough difference to worry about in my estimation. and as a final note there isnt that much difference in any of them when comparing them all 3 are well tested and well used as lubes for hunting---again note i say hunting---you will have to clean if you shoot more than a couple of shot at a time with some guns to get them to shooth the same point of impact. # 2 will be a bit more of a sludge builder than 1 or 3 but it is still a good hunting lube also all these lubes will work better with a deep rifleing---they work good with shallow rifleing but you will see a different variation if you shoot more than 2 or 3 shots without cleaning---this is just from my experience so take it from there????(GBG) YMHOSANT =+= "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home Of the " Old Grizz " Product line TRADEMARK (C) 854 Glenfield Drive, Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 E-Mail: Hawknest4@juno.com Phone: 1- 727-771-1815 Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:23:52 -0500 From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Corgan" <drownyoursorrows@hotmail.com> To: <hist_text@xmission.com> Sent: September 29, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade >I am focusing on what the fur trade of the > 19th century did to the river, mainly due to overhunting by the natives and > the trading companies who were out to make a profit. Any information anyone > can provide me with to help me would be greatly appreciated. One book that I have in my library which deals with this subject is: KEEPERS OF THE GAME INDIAN-ANIMAL RELATIONSHIPS AND THE FUR TRADE by Calvin Martin University Of California, 1982. Hope this might be of some help... northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:36:55 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Firelighting Well, somebody sure knows how to spot unadulterated *baloney* when they see it. Long Lance was not a Blackfoot Indian, or a Cherokee Indian, but a fraud & imposter. I know because his story comes from my neck of the woods--Calgary, Alberta. For the whole story of "Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance", aka Sylvester Long, look at the Glenbow Museum's info about him at: http://www.glenbow.org/libhtm/mar19.htm#llance There's more info about Long Lance and historian Donald Smith's book on him here: http://www.wherecalgary.com/Features/BackPage/6-6980.html If Long Lance's book has been recently republished (it was originally printed in 1928), the publisher owes it to readers to put out the true facts about the author, since they've been well-known for over 50 years. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Firelighting Thank you for confirming my suspicions. It does sound like a tall tale. - --- Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> wrote: > Well, somebody sure knows how to spot unadulterated > *baloney* when they see > it. Long Lance was not a Blackfoot Indian, or a > Cherokee Indian, but a > fraud & imposter. I know because his story comes > from my neck of the > woods--Calgary, Alberta. > > For the whole story of "Chief Buffalo Child Long > Lance", aka Sylvester > Long, look at the Glenbow Museum's info about him > at: > http://www.glenbow.org/libhtm/mar19.htm#llance > > There's more info about Long Lance and historian > Donald Smith's book on him > here: > http://www.wherecalgary.com/Features/BackPage/6-6980.html > > If Long Lance's book has been recently republished > (it was originally > printed in 1928), the publisher owes it to readers > to put out the true > facts about the author, since they've been > well-known for over 50 years. > > Your humble & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ===== defstones "Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the future." - -Native American Proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade Shepard Krech, an American anthropologist, "The Ecological Indian: Myth and History", published by W.W. Norton This book examines the practices of various throught the continent. Some chapters may interest you. The chapter on the buffalo is especially enlightening to me. > >I am focusing on what the fur trade of the > > 19th century did to the river, mainly due to > overhunting by the natives > and > > the trading companies who were out to make a > profit. Any information > anyone > > can provide me with to help me would be greatly > appreciated. > > One book that I have in my library which deals with > this subject is: > KEEPERS OF THE GAME INDIAN-ANIMAL RELATIONSHIPS AND > THE FUR TRADE by Calvin > Martin University Of California, 1982. > Hope this might be of some help... > northwoods ===== defstones "Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the future." - -Native American Proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 09:45:15 -0700 From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Guns On Wed, 20 September 2000, "harddog" wrote: > > I hope you don't mind if I get in on this one. The fit and finish on trade > guns, especially Northwest Trade Guns, depends on the period of manufacture. > Because they were the cheapest guns made the early Northwest Trade Guns were > shipped in the white, without even any finish or stain on the stocks and no > finish on the barrel or lock. > > > YMOS, > Harddog - -------------------------------------------------------- For fast reference when the subject is tradeguns, go to: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/weapons.htm Will have to check on finishes on this page, Buck should be home late tonight or Sat. morn, went to Capt. John Abbott's museum in the Bahamas on research on period locks and sailing equipage. In the footsteps of others, D. L. "Concho" Smith Historical Advisor for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:47:17 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. In a message dated 9/28/00, louis.l.sickler@lmco.com writes: << How the HECK does this belong on this list! I, for one, don't care to see this garbage. I'd much rather share a camp with a PAGAN who cares about his environment than a CHRISTIAN who only worries about giving "lost" souls a chance to know the "lord". >> Well, Lou I must admit this probably isn't the forum for this sort of post. But I don't think it's really a matter of "Christians saving lost souls" as much as a matter of our 1st Amendment rights being slowly eroded away. I am by no means a devout Christian, but I am outraged that this sort of thing can be banned from our TV and then replaced with something just short of soft porn. Is the 1st Amendment to be modified to read "Freedom of Liberal Thought and Speech" Just something to think about! Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:58:07 -0600 From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. OFF Topic longshot, I was thinking more along the lines of replacing Sunday morning TV with Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild --- now that's religion! Lou Sickler Colorado Territory > -----Original Message----- > From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com [SMTP:LODGEPOLE@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 10:47 AM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. > > In a message dated 9/28/00, louis.l.sickler@lmco.com writes: > > << How the HECK does this belong on this list! I, for one, don't care to > see > this garbage. I'd much rather share a camp with a PAGAN who cares about > his > environment than a CHRISTIAN who only worries about giving "lost" souls a > chance to know the "lord". >> > > Well, Lou I must admit this probably isn't the forum for this sort of > post. > But I don't think it's really a matter of "Christians saving lost souls" > as > much as a matter of our 1st Amendment rights being slowly eroded away. I > am > by no means a devout Christian, but I am outraged that this sort of thing > can > be banned from our TV and then replaced with something just short of soft > porn. Is the 1st Amendment to be modified to read "Freedom of Liberal > Thought > and Speech" Just something to think about! > > Longshot > > "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" > http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:10:24 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this. OFF Topic In a message dated 9/29/00 9:59:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, louis.l.sickler@lmco.com writes: <> I concede! Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:59:47 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: missouri river/ fur trade Why do you begin with a negative premise? It sounds to me like you have an agenda to put forward based on preconceived notions. John... At 10:52 AM 9/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, I am a junior Environmental Policy major at Bowling Green State >University in Bowling Green, Ohio. I am currently writing a paper for my >Native American History class. My topic is the Ecological Impacts of the >Fur Trade on the Missouri River. I am focusing on what the fur trade of >the 19th century did to the river, mainly due to overhunting by the >natives and the trading companies who were out to make a profit. Any >information anyone can provide me with to help me would be greatly >appreciated. I am looking for web sites, government documents, books, >magazines, and any other media which could be of help. Thank you for your >time, >Chris Riddle >Junior >Environmental Policy and Analysis >Bowling Green State University >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Napoleon Bonaparte. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:25:28 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Muzzleloader Oil-Grease If you really want a period correct grease for a Rocky Mountain fur=20 trapper: render down some beaver tail. It's what they had the most of. If you need a period correct black powder solvent for cleaning read my=20 previous posts on the subject in the archive. Water also works. My patented "Genuine Two Ball Black Powder Solvent" is guaranteed to be the= =20 cheapest and most readily available anywhere. John... At 12:21 AM 9/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >How do the following compare in field tests as all-in-one patch lube, >fouling softener, bore protector and seasoner? > >Jojoba oil (since whale oil is very scarce-expensive) per John Kramer. > >extra virgin (100% pure) olive oil per Capt.L > >buffalo grease-tallow (20 years success per Buck). > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >from Michigan >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 02:42:44 -0600 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C029BE.F21102A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our friend PoorBoy wrote: One could further look at the fact that most knife sheaths were rawhide, = not finished leather, and designed to be thrust into the belt, not hung = from it.. . . . Having tried this with a rawhide knife sheath on one short horse ride = and caught my knife falling about a half dozen times, it makes me wonder = what great force those old timers had that I aint got. How they kept = that or a felt hat fer any length of time without tieing it on is beyond = me. Allen and Crazy can attest that I am experienced at picking my hat = up off a the ground from a tall animal. WY - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C029BE.F21102A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> Our friend PoorBoy wrote: One could further look at the fact that most knife sheaths were = rawhide, not=20 finished leather, and designed to be thrust into the belt, not hung from = it.. .=20 . . Having tried this with a rawhide knife sheath on one short horse ride = and=20 caught my knife falling about a half dozen times, it makes me wonder = what great=20 force those old timers had that I aint got. How they kept that or a felt = hat fer=20 any length of time without tieing it on is beyond me. Allen and Crazy = can attest=20 that I am experienced at picking my hat up off a the ground from a tall=20 animal. WY</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C029BE.F21102A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:04:05 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Was Sashes Now Knife Sheaths This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02A26.82999140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our friend PoorBoy wrote: One could further look at the fact that most knife sheaths were rawhide, not finished leather, and designed to be thrust into the belt, not hung from it.. . . . Having tried this with a rawhide knife sheath on one short horse ride and caught my knife falling about a half dozen times, it makes me wonder what great force those old timers had that I aint got. How they kept that or a felt hat fer any length of time without tieing it on is beyond me. Allen and Crazy can attest that I am experienced at picking my hat up off a the ground from a tall animal. WY If the rawhide knife sheath is made correctly for the knife it will not fall out. If your hat fits correctly the hat will stay on your head. Walt Orginal Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02A26.82999140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C02A26.240C8CE0">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=3DSection1> Our friend PoorBoy = wrote:<o:p></o:p></= p> One could further look at the fact = that most knife sheaths were rawhide, not finished leather, and designed to = be thrust into the belt, not hung from it.. . . .<o:p></o:p></= p> Having tried this with a rawhide = knife sheath on one short horse ride and caught my knife falling about a half = dozen times, it makes me wonder what great force those old timers had that I = aint got. How they kept that or a felt hat fer any length of time without = tieing it on is beyond me. Allen and Crazy can attest that I am experienced at = picking my hat up off a the ground from a tall animal.<o:p></o:p></= p> WY<o:p></o:p></= p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> If= the rawhide knife sheath is made correctly for the knife it will not fall = out. If your hat fits correctly the = hat will stay on your head.<o:p></o:p> <!= [if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Wa= lt<o:p></o:p> Orginal Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837<o:p></o:p> Yellowsto= ne Canoe Camp<o:p></o:p= > On the = Lewis & Clark Trail<o:= p></o:p> Park = City, Montana <o:p></o:p= > <= span class=3DEmailStyle16><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html> - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02A26.82999140-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #636 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.