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hist_text-digest     Thursday, September 28 2000     Volume 01 : Number 634



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá MtMan-List: sash
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá MtMan-List: Industrial Revolution
-áááááá MtMan-List: Knife query
-áááááá MtMan-List: Industrial Revolution
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader
-áááááá MtMan-List: Charlie's email
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Charlie's email
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Charlie's email
-áááááá MtMan-List: contact for Bob Schmidt
-áááááá MtMan-List: Take a good look at this.

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:02:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

Hey y'all,

I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a
muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get
started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.

Can anyone walk me thru the steps and what materials to use (how to lube
bullets, prep patches, care for barrel, etc.) or point me in the right
direction to some good resources.  I want to avoid ruining a good barrel and
messing up the "seasoning" of the barrel.  I am totally GREEN at this and the
only real "blackpowder" shooters at this I know around here use pyrodex,
inline rifles and such.  Prior, my dad loaded a borrowed T/C Hawken .50 cal
for me to shoot (had to make that shot count)!  I am using a Lyman .50 cal
flintlock Trade Rifle.  Anyway, it seems the more info. I get the more
confused I get.  Is it just me or are shooting styles like Barbecue sauce
(everyone has their own recipe).

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:17:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

> I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a
>  muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get
>  started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/illinewek">New MLML homepage</A>

If you have a web enabled computer, then just click on the link above.
Then very carefully read ALL the FAQs you find there.
Then when you are done, ask specific questions.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:26:29 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

HOT,
I know Hiking on Through isn't your name.  Let me tell you from =
experience that unless you sign your name to your posts you will not get =
very much  of a response from the list.  First name only is fine =
(doesn't even have to be your own name), but sign some sort of name and =
watch you mail pick up.
Now to your question.  I will let better shooters than I give you the =
real nuts and bolts of shooting your Lyman but I will tell you the most =
important thing that you must always remember about shooting blackpowder =
arms..........use black powder or (ugh, pyrodex) ONLY.  The barrell of =
you gun is almost certainly marked blackpowder only and they absolutely =
mean it.  The pressure developed by blackpowder is nowhere close to the =
pressures developed by smokeless powders....nowhere close.  If you use =
any amount of any kind of smokeless powder in you blackpowder gun you =
run the very real risk of causing a detonation of you barrell, possibly =
with life threatening consequences.  Seriously.   Don't let you brother =
in law or you best friend from grade school or anybody else talk you =
into using anything but black powder or pyrodex in you Lyman.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff, Texian


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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader


> Hey y'all,
>=20
> I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a=20
> muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get =

> started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.
>=20
> Can anyone walk me thru the steps and what materials to use (how to =
lube=20
> bullets, prep patches, care for barrel, etc.) or point me in the right =

> direction to some good resources.  I want to avoid ruining a good =
barrel and=20
> messing up the "seasoning" of the barrel.  I am totally GREEN at this =
and the=20
> only real "blackpowder" shooters at this I know around here use =
pyrodex,=20
> inline rifles and such.  Prior, my dad loaded a borrowed T/C Hawken =
.50 cal=20
> for me to shoot (had to make that shot count)!  I am using a Lyman .50 =
cal=20
> flintlock Trade Rifle.  Anyway, it seems the more info. I get the more =

> confused I get.  Is it just me or are shooting styles like Barbecue =
sauce=20
> (everyone has their own recipe).
>=20
> Thanks
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:45:03 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

Well if your into surfing the net here is a link to a home page of the MLML,
or muzzle loaders mail list. It is the same page as Dave gave you but may be
easier for your pc to bring up.

http://members.aol.com/illinewek

That list is devoted to shooting and talking muzzle loaders. Many very
knowledgeable shooters have written some great articles on how to get the
most out of a muzzle loader. You can't go wrong reading what is available
there. Saves us from retyping it <G>. Most, if not all the fellas and gals
on this list are here to talk the history of the people who shot muzzle
loaders as a regular part of their lives and when we do shoot we tend to
keep it simple like the old timers did it. You can come back to that but the
little nuances of shooting muzzle loaders won't be found here easily. Got to
this page and read what they have to say. When you got particular questions
of the pros and cons come on back and some of us will fill in the spaces.
Good shooting. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader


> Hey y'all,
>
> I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a
> muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get
> started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.
>
> Can anyone walk me thru the steps and what materials to use (how to lube
> bullets, prep patches, care for barrel, etc.) or point me in the right
> direction to some good resources.  I want to avoid ruining a good barrel
and
> messing up the "seasoning" of the barrel.  I am totally GREEN at this and
the
> only real "blackpowder" shooters at this I know around here use pyrodex,
> inline rifles and such.  Prior, my dad loaded a borrowed T/C Hawken .50
cal
> for me to shoot (had to make that shot count)!  I am using a Lyman .50 cal
> flintlock Trade Rifle.  Anyway, it seems the more info. I get the more
> confused I get.  Is it just me or are shooting styles like Barbecue sauce
> (everyone has their own recipe).
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:31:58 -0400
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

Hey no name,

You have come to the right sight.  Some of these old timers will give you
more info than you could ever expect.  You may want to sign on with your
name or your nickname.

Being a Lyman 50 cal man myself, I can give you a little of what I know.
Take into consideration that I like making everything myself.

For patches I use pillow ticking that I get from walmart.  Since my old gun
is considerably old, I use the thickest pillow ticking I can find.  I also
only shoot round balls and always shoot blackpowder.  Since you are using a
flintlock I highly stress blackpowder only.

Now I have made up my own mix for lube but since walmart was having a sale
on 1000 plus bullet lube for 1.00 a large container, I am presently using
it.  So I smell like bengay.

Before I even shoot my gun for the season I usually give it a good cleaning
with luke warm water and a copper brush.  Scrub, scrub, scrub.  DO NOT USE A
PETROLEUM BASE CLEANER.  I did when I started out and well, the old timers
will tell you how I spent my day.  Darn thing would not fire, balls got
stuck half way down the barrel, gun fouled every other shot.  Oh by the way,
if your ball gets stuck half way down the barrel, do not shoot it out.
After I shot mine out and told old Leon, the old timer damn near kicked my
ars.  I did not know that the barrel could explode.  Lucky me.

The best advice I could give you is to befriend one of these old timers and
pick his brain.  Do not argue, just listen.  Old Leon luckily lives right
down there in Atlanta, he has been shooting muzzleloaders for over 50 years
and 20 of those years was in competition.  I figger he knows his stuff.
Time to listen.

I have done one thing that is considered bad here, I switched from the old
hickory ramrod to a brown wonder rod.  It's not period correct, but it is
brown and most do not notice.  But I would just hate to be in the outback
with a broken hickory stick.

I always wondered when does one stop being a greenhorn?  I have been
shooting for over 5 years.  When I am around Leon and the old gents I must
say that I do feel like a greenhorn when it comes to the guns.  But, when it
comes to knives, hawks, bows, and primitive skills these old timers have
nothing on me.  Well, most of the time.  Every now and then when I get too
cocky, they show me why they still come to the rendezvous.

Good Shooting,

Frank V. Rago





> I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a
> muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get
> started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.
>
> Can anyone walk me thru the steps and what materials to use (how to lube
> bullets, prep patches, care for barrel, etc.) or point me in the right
> direction to some good resources.  I want to avoid ruining a good barrel
and
> messing up the "seasoning" of the barrel.  I am totally GREEN at this and
the
> only real "blackpowder" shooters at this I know around here use pyrodex,
> inline rifles and such.  Prior, my dad loaded a borrowed T/C Hawken .50
cal
> for me to shoot (had to make that shot count)!  I am using a Lyman .50 cal
> flintlock Trade Rifle.  Anyway, it seems the more info. I get the more
> confused I get.  Is it just me or are shooting styles like Barbecue sauce
> (everyone has their own recipe).
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:29:07 MDT
From: "Terrance Luff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: sash

there are alot of uses of the sash(ceinture-flechee} michif for sash.thank
you angle and larry for uses. the sash was also used by the buffalo metis
hunters than cased buffalo in montana and north dakota.they also had use s
for the sash,one was, to hold down the shot pouch so it would not bouch
while casesing buf. 1820,s. with these cart brigades of hunters came the
metis freetrader. the freemen brought their goods from the hudson bay and
norwest companys and resold to indian tribes meet alonge the way. some of
the good bought by the freetraders were ENGLISH WOOL and SILK SCARFS ect.
HUDSON BAY ARCHIVE,S.also rember the metis trade was considerd elligal.some
time the metis war belts over the sash.even russell was painting metis
buffalo hunters with sash only.depends one the individuals likes and
dislikes.the sash was worn south of canada,s at lest in montana and
northdakota. montana hunting is tyed wih canada.so when you say fur trade in
the area most of the time canada will come into play some were. this was one
big open country with. you must remeber that metis are of three goups in fur
trade history the freetrader,the buffalo hunter and the will known
voyageurs. the metis have there own history in north western fur trade study
the hudson bay , which that montana of that time.              got to cut
shortnow.    ponyrider
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:04:29 GMT
From: "larry sherman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money

I was already made aware of this. That would also explain why when I looked
up this model of rifle for sale, all the models being sold where made around
1892.


>From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:39:21 -0500
>
>A model 92 made in 1884 would be very rare. Mostly because model 92s came
>out in 1892....
>
>northwoods
>
>
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>From: "larry sherman" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: September 24, 2000 1:35 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
>
>
> > I know this is a black powder only page, but I have to write this
>anyway.
>I
> > recieved an e-mail from a guy who wanted to know how much his winchester
> > model 92, that was made in 1884 was worth. I did the research and
>replied
> > with the answear $600-$7000. These are the prices I found, I bet that
>fellow
> > is very happy to own that gun. The moral of the story, if you don't know
> > something about the gun you own ask somebody who does, you might end up
> > being a happy fellow yourself.
> >
> > Larry J Sherman
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:58:09 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money

To find a model 92' that had been made in 1892 would be rare, only a small
number of them were made that year. They were made into the 1940s' with over
a million of them having been produced...

northwoods

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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: September 27, 2000 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money


> I was already made aware of this. That would also explain why when I
looked
> up this model of rifle for sale, all the models being sold where made
around
> 1892.
>
>
> >From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
> >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:39:21 -0500
> >
> >A model 92 made in 1884 would be very rare. Mostly because model 92s came
> >out in 1892....
> >
> >northwoods
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "larry sherman" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: September 24, 2000 1:35 AM
> >Subject: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
> >
> >
> > > I know this is a black powder only page, but I have to write this
> >anyway.
> >I
> > > recieved an e-mail from a guy who wanted to know how much his
winchester
> > > model 92, that was made in 1884 was worth. I did the research and
> >replied
> > > with the answear $600-$7000. These are the prices I found, I bet that
> >fellow
> > > is very happy to own that gun. The moral of the story, if you don't
know
> > > something about the gun you own ask somebody who does, you might end
up
> > > being a happy fellow yourself.
> > >
> > > Larry J Sherman
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:58:09 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money

To find a model 92' that had been made in 1892 would be rare, only a small
number of them were made that year. They were made into the 1940s' with over
a million of them having been produced...

northwoods

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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: September 27, 2000 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money


> I was already made aware of this. That would also explain why when I
looked
> up this model of rifle for sale, all the models being sold where made
around
> 1892.
>
>
> >From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
> >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:39:21 -0500
> >
> >A model 92 made in 1884 would be very rare. Mostly because model 92s came
> >out in 1892....
> >
> >northwoods
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "larry sherman" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: September 24, 2000 1:35 AM
> >Subject: MtMan-List: rifle made of money
> >
> >
> > > I know this is a black powder only page, but I have to write this
> >anyway.
> >I
> > > recieved an e-mail from a guy who wanted to know how much his
winchester
> > > model 92, that was made in 1884 was worth. I did the research and
> >replied
> > > with the answear $600-$7000. These are the prices I found, I bet that
> >fellow
> > > is very happy to own that gun. The moral of the story, if you don't
know
> > > something about the gun you own ask somebody who does, you might end
up
> > > being a happy fellow yourself.
> > >
> > > Larry J Sherman
> > >
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:53:28 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

No Name!
You have gotten some good info, Lyman is a good rifle to start with. you
will get tons of advice some good some bad. For the sake of somewhere to
start I will tell you how I do it.
I use "Black Powder only" and in a 50cal I would shoot a .490 round ball
with a .015 thicknes ox-yoke dry patch either pre cut or ticking is fine. I
use a wet lube called 10X which I don't think is made any more. The
petrolium based lubes and bear grease I have never had any luck with as they
fowl fast and you would have to swab after just a few shots, with a water
base lube I never have to do that and I have never had any problem with
rust. You must remember to clean the gun after each sesssion at the range.
To start finding the accurate load start with 50 grains of 2F black powder,
shoot 3 rounds from a bench rest position at 25 yards, then increase the
powder charge by 5 grains and shoot 3 more, continue to do this until you
get the tightest group. When you have gotten the tightest group move up to
50yards and re check the load. When you have gotten the load  that you want
then ajust the sights.
Now as for ramrods, I have never broken a kickory ramrod in 26 years so the
cynthetic ramrods don't impress me, if you are putting that much presure on
a ramrod then you are doing something wrong.
No Name, you can use this information or not it don't bother me one way or
the other.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>Date: Tue, Sep 26, 2000, 8:02 PM
>

>Hey y'all,
>
>I have read a lot and got a lot of different advice about shooting a
>muzzleloader.  I need some good basic advice on just WHAT to do to get
>started shooting and not ruin a good new gun.
>
>Can anyone walk me thru the steps and what materials to use (how to lube
>bullets, prep patches, care for barrel, etc.) or point me in the right
>direction to some good resources.  I want to avoid ruining a good barrel and
>messing up the "seasoning" of the barrel.  I am totally GREEN at this and the
>only real "blackpowder" shooters at this I know around here use pyrodex,
>inline rifles and such.  Prior, my dad loaded a borrowed T/C Hawken .50 cal
>for me to shoot (had to make that shot count)!  I am using a Lyman .50 cal
>flintlock Trade Rifle.  Anyway, it seems the more info. I get the more
>confused I get.  Is it just me or are shooting styles like Barbecue sauce
>(everyone has their own recipe).
>
>Thanks
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:51:39 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Industrial Revolution

>
>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
>From: S Jones <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sashes (short)
>
>Hate to bring the industrial revolution into this
>thread . . .

The Industrial Revolution has much to do with the fur trade era.  The
application of steam and water power (prerequisets for industrialization)
is already in full swing during the fur trade.  Furthermore, the major
characteristics which makes the Industrial Revolution happen is the
development of a market economy by the 1830s and the advent of the assembly
line and mass production, in turn made possible by introduction of
interchangeable parts by Eli Whitney and others as early as the 1810s.  The
Industrial Revolution is as much a part of fur trade history as plews and
point blankets, and it had already happened by the time of the Civil War
(which gave the North that strategic edge).  What happens in the 1870s was
not so much a revolution, but a post war economic and industrial expansion
of what had already taken hold two generations earlier, in much the same
way that we witnessed in the 1950s after WWII.

FYI
Cheers,
HBC

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Curator of History
Museum of Texas Tech University
Box 43191
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:24:45 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Knife query

Friends,
A student of mine showed me a photo of a knife with a antler handle.  The
blade has an interesting marking near the base.   There is a "V" and an "R"
with a crown in between, indicating that it was possibly made in the time
of Victoria.  The manufacturer's name, Thornhill(?), is also stamped into
the base of the blade.  The knife is about 15 inches in overall length.
Does anyone know of a English knife maker with a name similar to that, and
is anyone aware of reproductions being made of this maker's work?

Please reply.

Cheers,
HBC

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:21:21 -0500
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Industrial Revolution

Henry,

Just one thing I would like to correct in your post about the Industrial
Revolution. Eli Whitney did not introduce interchangeable parts, (This is a
fallacy that was taught in history classes and still believed by many
people.) He only talked about interchangeable parts as a sales promotion for
his gun manufacturing. He was not able to achieve this until long after many
others had already achieved interchangability. In order to get government
contracts for arms he boasted of complete parts interchangablility, but was
not able to fulfill these contracts.

YMOS,
Harddog


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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:42:40 -0500
From: Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Process of shooting a muzzleloader

> For patches I use pillow ticking that I get from walmart.  Since=20
> my old gun
> is considerably old, I use the thickest pillow ticking I can find.  I =
also
> only shoot round balls and always shoot blackpowder.  Since you=20
> are using a
> flintlock I highly stress blackpowder only.
>=20


Speaking from experience, flintolocks DO NOT like Pyrodex, and will =
rarely fire when loaded with it.   Pyrodex requires a higher temp to =
ignite.   I learned that the HARD way.


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:42:21 +0800
From: "Hian Leng PANG" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Charlie's email

Hi,
     Could anyone tell me the email address of Charlie Ritchie, the editor
of Backwoodsmen mag? Thanks.

Pang


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:26:10 -0700
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charlie's email

pang,  This is from an old issue (1992) of Backwoods Magazine:    po
Box627

                           Westcliffe. CO 81252
hope this helps,  hardtack

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:58:19 -0500
From: "Colleen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charlie's email

Here's the Backwoodsman's website:

http://www.purelight.com/bwmmag/home.htm

Colleen

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: contact for Bob Schmidt

Can any of the brothers out there tell me if Bob
Schmidt from Montana is still making saddles and such,
and if so how can I contact him.  Thanks in advance, DOG

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Subject: MtMan-List: Take a good look at this.

Subj:     Take a good look at this
Date:   00-09-17 00:15:40 EDT
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To: [e-mail] (John Alden), [e-mail] (Bubba),
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> >Subject: Take a good look at this
> >
> >
> > Read & Weep!
> >
> >
> >
> >CBS will be forced to discontinue "Touched by an Angel" for
> >using the word God in every program.
> >Madeline Murray O'Hare, an atheist, successfully managed
> >to eliminate the use of Bible reading from public schools a
> >few years ago. Now her organization has been granted a
> >Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal
> >Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington D.C. Their petition,
> >Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading
> >of the gospel of our Lord and Savior, on the airwaves of
> >America.  They got 287,000 signatures to back their stand!
   If this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship
> >services being  broadcast on the radio or by television will be
> >stopped. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas
   programs and Christmas carols from public schools!! You
> >as a Christian can help! We are praying for at least 1 million
> >signatures. This would defeat their effort and show that there
> >are many Christians alive, well and concerned about our country.
> >As Christians we must unite on this.
> >
> >Please don't take this lightly. We ignored this lady once and
> >lost prayer in our schools and in offices across the nation.
> >Please stand up for your religious freedom and let your voice be
> >heard. Together we can make a difference in our country while
> >creating an opportunity for the lost to know the Lord.
> >Please press "forward" and only delete out what is not needed,
> >and forward this to everyone on your list. Now, please sign
> >your name at the bottom. Don't delete anything, just go to the
> >next number and type your name.
> >Please do not sign jointly, such as Mr. & Mrs....Each person
> >should sign his/her own name.
> >
> >Please e-mail this to everyone you know, and help us defeat this
> >organization and keep the right of our freedom of religion.
> >When you get to 1000 please email back to Lisa Norman.
> >
> >
> >[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>
>    1: Courtney S. - Please people sign this letter!!
>    2: Shelbi W.
>    3: Brittany S.
>    4: Lora J.
>    5: Kim S.
>    6: Adam P.
>    7: Jana C.
>    8: Terry Wlliams - Deer Park, TX
>    9: Megan C.
>   10: Christy C.
>   11: Andy Crais
>   12: Mollie Rice -
>   13: Forrest S. -Lexington, KY
>   14: Cherie F. - Lexington, KY
>   15: Gerald Goodlett II -Lexington, KY
>   16: Amanda Ferguson
>   17: Valerie Grimes - Lexington, KY
>   18: Erin McKenzie -Lexington, KY
>   19: Robert Harrison -Cincinnati Ohio
>   20: Barbara Cronk -Clearwater, FL
>   21: Linda Tilley -Bemidji, Minnesota
>   22: Donald Huntington - Irvine, CA
>   23: Mary Stimpson -Shoreview, MN
>   24: Kevin Gegner Redwood Falls, MN.
>   25: Marie lexander - Canada
>   26: Wes Erhart - Canada
>   27. Wendy Barbour Canada
>   28. Craig H.
>   29.Kathy H.
>   30. Joan Guthrie Canada
>   31. Ron Guthrie
>   32. Benita S.- Canada
>   33: Hanny Kensington - Canada
>   34. B. Brown - Canada
>   35. Bill Olsen
>   36. Gaydene Olsen
>   37. Jennifer Visser
>   38. Josh Olsen
>   39. Donna Petch
>   40.Andre Lefebvre , Canada
>   41.John Hetherington - Canada
>   42. Gaetanne Hetherington - Canada
>   43. Shanie Melanson - Canada
>   44. Peter Hill - Canada
>   45. Janet Hill - Canada
>   46. James Hill - Canada
>   47. Emma Hill - Canada
>   48. Michael Donley - Canada
>   49. Geogia Gililand - Canada
>   50. Kevin Wilnechenko - Canada
>   51. Ruth Enns
>   52. Allison Kern Canada
>   53. Anika deRaad - Canada
>   54. Erik Uunila - Canada
>   55. Krista Uunila - Canada
>   56. Leila Uunila - Canada
>   57. Rose Uunila - Canada
>   58. Marilyn Forbes - Canada
>   59. Colin Evans - Canada
>   60. Angela C.-Canada
>   61. Kimberly Mager -Canada
>   62. Kathryn Ferrari - Canada
>   63. Janna Smith - Canada
>   64. Shanna Ridley- Canada
>   65. Thomas Somerville- Canada
>   66. Lisa Norman-Canada
>   67. Pat Wright-Canada
>   68. John Wright- Canada
>   69. Stuart Hemmings
>   70. Sandra Hemmings
>   71. Robert Badham
>   72. June Badham
>   73. Vance Taylor
>   74. Pamela Schwab - Canada
>   75. Ernest Schwab - Canada
>   76. Carlene Neeve - Canada
>   77. Gloria Stewart
>   78. Harold Stewart
>   79. Jackie Cannon, Princeton, KY
>   80. Bro. Gerald Cannon, Princeton, KY
>   81.  Kim Brown
>   82.  Barry Brown
>   83.   Ken Scott
>   84.  Debby Scott
>   85.  Haley Scott
>   86.  Ryanne Scott
>   87.  Judy Shoulders
>   88.  Kimberly Davis, Alabama
>   89.  Kay Pruitt
>   90.  Stacey Black
>   91.  Susan Strauss
>   92.  Kristin Leggett
>   93.  Meredith Read
>   94.  Mary Whittington
>   95.  Letty Benning, College Station, TX
>   96.  Richard B
>   97.  Ricky Benning
>   98.  Andrea Benning
>   99.  Renee Bujanos
> >100 Amanda Duffy - Houston, TX
> >101 Dennis Duffy - Houston, TX
> >102 Dennis Patrick Duffy - Houston, TX
> >103 Tammie Jones
   104  Peyton Mullins- Tyler Texas
> >105  Vicki Mullins-  Tyler, Texas
> >106   Kristin Sims - Wenatchee, WA
> >107  Julie Sargent - Virginia Beach, VA
> >108 Michele Jordan - Chesapeake, VA
> >109 Diane Cahoon - Mechanicsville, VA
> >110 Jack Cahoon - Mechanicsville, VA
> >111. Sam Langley - Richmond,VA.
> >112. Jordan Fus- Richmond VA
> >113. Betty Stegall - Las Vegas, Nv
> >114. Alicia Somarriba
> >115. shermalee nicholson- new york, n.y.
> >116. Monica Rabassa, Miami, FL
> >117. Gustavo Leon, Miami, FL
> >118. Anna Figueroa, Miami, FL
> >119. Teresita Gonzalez
> >120.  Alicia Romero >>
> >121. Michael Lopez
> >122. Pablo Pimienta, Miami FL
> >123. Emily Espinosa
> >124. Lisa Castro, Miami, FL
> >125. Alain Castro, Miami, FL
> >126. Meredith Stevenson, Miami, FL
> >127. Marissa M. Stevenson, Miami, FL
> >128. Patti Padrick, Homestead, FL
> >129. Chelly Hodson, Miami, Fl.
> >130.  Lannie Sechrest, Homestead, FL
> >131. Dena Dodrill, Ohio
> >132. Greta Heath , Dunedin FL
> >133. Melinda Heath
> >134. Jessica Coosey Clearwater,Fl
> >135. Roy Coosey Clearwater,Fl
> >136. Parvati Govinda Dunedin,Fl
> >137. J. Lamb Clearwater, Fl
> >138. Melanee Mccarthy, Springhill Fla
> >139. Sharon Brimmer, Cypress ,Tx
> >140. Dean Dykes, Houston, TX
> >141. Dennis Dykes, Houston,TX
> >142.  Dennis Dykes, Jr Dallas,TX
> >143. Andrea Dykes, Dallas, Tx
> >144. Brittany Dykes, Dallas,TX
> >145. Chase Dykes, Dallas Tx
> >146. Cheryl Brown, Baton Rouge La
> >147.  Al Danny Brown, Baton Rouge La.
> >148.  Mavis Cannon, Baker, La
> >149.  June Lumpkin, Baton Rouge, La
> >150.  Anna Bologna, Abita Springs,La
> >151.  Elaine Hebert, Abbeville, La
> >152. Flossie Benard, Denham Springs, La
> >153. Genevieve Johnson, Denham Springs, La
> >154. Yancy Brown, Grovetown, GA
> >155. Christy Brown, Grovetown, GA
> >156. Pamela Pressley, Grovetown, GA
> >157. Lori Winter, Grovetown, GA
> >158. Pamela James, Belvedere, SC
> >159. Jack Posey, Belvedere, SC
> >160. Zena James, Augusta, GA
> >161. Paul Ligon,Hephzibah,Ga.
> >162. Nona Ligon,Hephzibah,Ga.
> >163. Paul Ligon Jr., Hephzibah,Ga.
> >164. Brian Ligon, Hephzibah, Ga.
> >165. Chad Ligon, Hephzibah, Ga.
> >166. Sylvia Brady, Augusta, GA
> >167. Danny R. Brady, Augusta, GA
> >168. Isabelle Brady, Augusta, GA
> >169 Mary BeeBee Warner, Edgefield, SC
> >170 Mary Jo Flenniken, Augusta, GA
> >171 Michael S. Warner Jr., Edgefield, SC
> >172 Jennifer Michelle Quarles, Johnston, SC
> >173 Gage T. Quarles, Johnston, SC
> >174 Joshusa S. Warner, Augusta, GA
> >175 Susan H. Sganga, Augusta, GA
> >176. Linda L. Jones, Augusta, GA
> >177. Linda Tyree, Palm Springs, CA
> >178. Catherine Powers, Birmingham, AL
> >179. Robert McAllister, Birmingham, AL
> >180. Lisa Stinson, Birmingham, AL
> >181. Frances McAllister, Birmingham, AL
> >182. Tom Moore,  Birmingham, AL
> >183. Chris Powers, Birmingham, AL
> >184. Julie Hayes, Birmingham, AL
> >185. Brandy Talley Brimingham, AL
> >186. Jan Cotten Birmingham, AL
> >187. Joe Cotten Birmingham, AL
> >188. Allison Searcy, Birmingham, AL.
> >189. Keith Searcy, Birmingham, AL.
> >190. Patrick Searcy, Birmingham, AL
> >191. Deann Searcy, Birmingham, AL.
> >192. Terri Acton, Birmingham, AL
> >193. Samantha Acton
> >194. Ashley Edmonds ( Bug )
> >195. Amber Edmonds
> >196. Veronica Edmonds
> >197. Dennis Edmonds
> >198. Ron Gaines
> >199. Tom Gaines
> >200. Salley Edmonds
> >201. Barbara Carrasco
> >202. Mitchell D. Ferguson,Portage IN>
> >203. Bobbie Ferguson Portage, In.
> >204.  Lisa Szpakowski
> >205.  Scott Szpakowski
> >206.  Lovena Randolph
> >207.  Cheri Kinney
> >208.  Cliff Kinney III
> >209.  Christopher Kinney
> >210.  ~Ronda Bailey~, Surprise, AZ
> >211. Dayna Losey, Mpls, MN
> >212. Jennifer Bergerson, Shakopee, MN
> >213. Daryl Losey, St Paul, MN
> >214. Linda Losey, St Paul, MN
> >215. Tim Doese, Mpls., MN
> >216. Shirley Doese, Rio, WI
> >217. Norman Doese, Rio, WI
> >218. Belva Auchtung, Rio, WI
> >219. Herman Auchtung, Rio, WI
> >220. Marvin Losey, Surprise, AZ
> >221. Sharon Losey, Surprise, AZ
> >222. Glenn Losey, Mesa, AZ
> >223. Mary Losey, Mesa, AZ
> >224. Phillip Losey, Mesa, AZ
> >225. Richard Losey, Mesa, AZ
> >226. Steven Losey, Mesa, AZ
> >227. Stanley Losey, Phoenix, AZ
> >228. Carla Losey, Phoenix, AZ
> >229. Ron Losey, Fridley, MN
> >230. Amy Losey, Fridley, MN
> >231. Michelle Losey, Fridley, MN
> >232. Tara Losey, Fridley, MN
> >233. Bonnie Karslake, Vanderbilt, MI
> >234. Don Karslake, Vanderbile, MI
> >235. Sharlene Gjonnes, DeForrest, WI
> >236. Kieth Gjonnes, DeForrest, WI
> >237..Linda Beckwith, Kansas City, MO
> >238. JIM BAKER,KANSAS CITY,MO
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>  240.  michael wade kansas city ks
>  241.  andrew m. wade, united states army, kanasas city ks
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>  246.  eric hopper
>  247.  agnes pike
>  248.  vicky horvat
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