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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:52:16 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old knife on Ebay
Manbear..
Nice knife.. But be very aware that it may be 155 yrs old or 155 days old.
I am immediately a little skeptical because ther is no "sharpening wear" on
the knife. Maybe it wasn't used that much, but it is something to look at.
And as with every thing on E-Bay.... "Caveat Emptor "
D
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Date: 10 Sep 2000 09:04:31 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC-Mel Gibson story
Well folks,
Sitting hear reading the Sunday paper and found in the "Parade" section somethings interesting that we read on this list a whlie back. Referring to the e-mail about a story Paul Harvey had on his radio program. The one about a young man grossly beaten and disfugured until a priest arranged free plastic surgery, it said the man was Mel Gibson - this was during the release of his new movie "The Patriot".
Paul Harvey was asked about the story and heres his reply; "A distorted story about Mel Gibson is being credited to my radio broadcast," Harvey says. "Don't believe everything on the Internet." This was not a true event.
Later.
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:13:48 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old knife on Ebay
Something else that makes me say "Hmmmmmm" is the attachment of the blade to
haft. It isn't pinned, although the tang may be all the way thru and peened
with a washer (can't see the pommel) And before anyone gets to typing,
reminding me that "antler, when boiled softenes to a degree that you can
drive the tang in and the antler will grip it like iron when it cools.." I
know this, as I do them this way, but the seller says that the knife is
"very solid" And I have had the privilage to play with a bunch of antler
hafted knives of the period & earlier. And although allot of them were
solid, the majority were not, unless they were "restored" and kept in a
climate contolled area.. 155 yrs of hot, cold, wet, dry & and handling tends
to play hell with this method of attachment.
There are exception, of course.. But it is something else to look at.
D
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Date: 10 Sep 2000 09:18:22 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leggings
On Sat, 09 September 2000, "Dennis Miles" wrote:
> Length of knives, I like that. I have seen and played with several great
> examples of BIG knives from the RMFT era.......
Dennis,
I have seen the work you did for Buck and have to agree that you make one fine, strong knife. Buck has told me about the knife you just mentioned, said he needed to move some of his original and fancy reproduction knives, then he would have you make him one to replace other items carried in camp mess.
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:12:52 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: The Patriot revisited
According to Parade Magazine in the Sunday papers, that story about Mel
Gibson getting his about tore off as a young man is pure hokum.
Paul Harvey is reportedly denying he broadcast that story.
Gee, whiz if we can't believe what we see on the Internet, what can we
believe? Parade Magazine? :-)
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:30:19 MDT
From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: tobacco/knife in fur trade
concho srry so long getting back on nicotiana multivalis was not smoked
by lot tribes was cereonially plant and had meth. connection to the
stars.,all so called short tobbacco.tall tobbacco nicotiana qadirivalvis was
anciently smoked and came to upper plains threw the hidatsa trade . the
hudson bay a other used tobbac a giving item and trade.the short clay pipe
was also big in trade goods. the trapper would use the smoke from pipe to
blow on hands will working to keep
skiters off. smoke in face would help with insects. by first using for this
lend to adiction to the nicotin then the stedy use of tob.the pipe was also
used to measure time of travel. such as two pipe loads of time will bring
you to the fork in the trail.
also a bag of tobbace would be placed in with colths to keep moths out.
leaves and cigars would be place with beans, rice,ect. to keep insects
away. leaves use in medical used for tooth ach and some wounds. the use
in the native indian use would take page pluse/but for now just fur trade/
shipped in rope form block,carrot form. henst the tobbacco cutting
board,used by trade centers and users in some form. tobbaco did not play the
viiian. all time. i think also in the future we will find that the plant is
not all bad but some good to. my ending line is that
tobbacco had a big part if the fur trade era, in everday use and commerce
and for use today students of fur trade should not let the position of
tobbaco beforgotten. does not mean we have to use it but kown the why fors
for it use.
knife s , a part and need tool for today and yesterday skinner. the butch
can be used as a ever day tool of camp if careful. i wore one hunting for
years and learning how to use butch knife for all pureoses
it served me will, all thought i was laught at at so ronney because of the
simple plain knive. th butcher knife yesterday and today is simple
low cost and easy to obtain because of the production. if broken from rough
use it could be easly replace sence allways had soom for trade,and gifting.
a few years ago i had a longnife made from blacksmith as of old. excellent
camp tool would of been ex. backup weapon for blackpowder shooter. poor in
butcher work and cutting my steaks. also being in moutains or praires there
would of been no easy replacement. at sometime i thing the worker would some
time endup with the butcher knife and would have to make due. the knife was
a tool of work and weapon so personal choice would enter in , i aways
belive in the book history account and study but to learn the working ways
of why
did they done that. then do it that way. you usely learn a good point.
leggings,just a point, i have worn in cold and hot weather, on many miles
of trails. for dress at rondys and shoots. leggings i mean plains indian
style. they are very confi and cool it hot weather,in the woods of the
montana mountain very protective. all though i would use elk
moose brain tan. thicker leather, l do not know want you cosider long
fringe.i like a little long so when i wack one off i got something to work
with.to long can get in way in camp life bet no bigie on horsebace and you
seem to get use to its length after a time.
your info on tocco was good! were in the heck did you get thAT
info. sure would like to raid you book self. breed joke!!!
