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Date: 7 Sep 2000 19:34:31 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leggin's
On Wed, 06 September 2000, Allen Hall wrote:
>
> At 03:54 AM 09/06/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Lee,
>
> Guess you'd better work on the calluses <g>, guys in our party have
> regularly rode with breeches and leggins for extended rides. They swear by
> it (not at it)!
>
> For trapping, there's no doubt that breeches are the way to go, at least out
> here in the Rocky's where it gets mighty cold.
>
> Take care and good luck on the trap lines!
>
> Allen
>
> >I do not argue the merits of leggings in trapping and working, they are quite
> >comfortable and much cooler than pants. I do dispute the riding part....
> it sucks after just a short while in the saddle, but perhaps this lad just needs
> more padding or more calluses...... not sure which <G>.
> >
> >Regards from North Idaho
> >
> >Lee Newbill
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Lee,
An article that Buck conner wrote on Marion Medina's breeches in one of the Tomahawk 7 long rifles had some interesting advise from those that wore them to Wes Houser and Charles Hanson; See Below:
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Both Wes and Charlie have agreed that if your in freezing water up to your knees, that the
breeches or short pantaloons are by far the most practical. They will dry faster and be less of a
problem than a pair of long pants in cloth or leather, plus its easier to slip on wool socks, leggings
or wrap your lower leg area once on shore, than wear wet clothing that would freeze before
getting dry in trapping weather.
I have read of trappers, travelers and adventures stopping to remove their leg coverings to cross
streams and creeks in their daily routines as they worked or moved across this country. One
account tells of several travelers being way laid as they were putting on their wool socks and
footwear after crossing a stream, the robbers took those items along with their other goods
leaving them to suffer with bare skin and freezing conditions. Read another account of trappers
using leather uppers coming down to the knee with blanket sewed on at this point to cover the
lower leg and calf area, several of the re-enacters and brothers of the AMM have worn this
arrangement for years and claim the blanket dries very quickly.
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Believe artice is on the AMM JIM BAKER PARTY web site.
Concho.
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Date: 7 Sep 2000 19:42:23 -0700
From: Concho <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: metis ter location
On Thu, 07 September 2000, "Terrance Luff" wrote:
>
> TO ALL. i like leggins and paints if fact if it is brain tan its cool.
> lets talk alittle on tobbaco use in fur trade era, we all know the
> bad press part but the history use,s. TOBBACO, HOLY MIX,OBA ABOBA.
> I WILL FOLLOW UP THIS WEEKEND. tobbaco was a high selling item<no tv>
> held and import part of everyday life of both, fur trade worker, and
Here's an interesting little item written years ago on tobacco by an old friend, add what you know to it, if you will.
TOBACCO IN NORTH AMERICA
by Roy S. Boyer, Sr.
Published 1951; Pennsylvania Outdoors
Most of the Indian tribes in what is now the United States and southern Canada grew and used tobacco in daily use. As the influence of the European moved over the country-side, native tobaccos were gradually replaced by South American varieties. By the 19th century, processed tobacco had become an extremely important commodity.
The common native tobacco found in the eastern United States and southwestern Canada was Nicotiana
rustica, a large plant with yellow flowers. First found in the Virginia settlements and introduced in
Europe.
Nicotiana attenuata, was found in the western half of the United States and parts of southwestern Canada.
It is reported to being growing wild in some of these areas today.
Nicotiania miltivaluis, was grown by the Crow and Shoshoni, along with several other tribes in Oregon,
Idaho and western Montana.
Nicotiania Bigelovii, was grown in California in several different varieties.
Nicotiania quadrivalvis, a small plant only 2 feet high with white flowers and small leaves was found
with the Mandan, Arikara, Hidatsa, Omaha and Pawnee tribes.
Nicotiana tabacum, originally native to South America is most likely what is found in the late 19th
century through-out the United States and southern Canada and seen a lot today.
The Spaniards began growing tobacco in the first part of the 16th century, as were the new settlers in
southern New York and Pennsylvania in the 1650Æs. With some research you will find that the tobacco
business was a good cash crop that the local governors of the colonies and later states were quite involved in, building large warehouses to store and dry this valuable resource. While others involved in the business were moving it through areas that were not watched as closely as others, voiding heavy taxes on their product.
Many of the traders would work with the growers to move the rolls of tobacco into French territory and
the trade of furs among those trappers. The history of tobacco, Native Americans and various periods of
our countries growth, the Fur Trade , etc. can fill a book shelf.
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Concho.
In the footsteps of others,
D. L. "Concho" Smith
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______________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:14:58 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: metis ter location
SHOW DA!walt;
iam a montana born and breed, ive lived all over montana as of now
billings. ive done sweat lodge with crow,pikuni,sioux,stoney and n cheyenne.
will talk your leg off if i can get a hold of you,do you have
icq? i have ran horses on crow and n cheyenne Rez also have relatives on
crow and cut figgers res with alot of hiverants on all mt rez.
i an also known as E JE LA-SHE BID DA from miles city,by low land tibes'
DEOAWAGOWIG MON AMIE!!
Ponyrider,
You can call me at 633-2497. Not a long distance call. In Billings next
Wednesday evening Gary Johnson from Lodge Grass will be addressing the
audience at the Yellowstone County Museum up on the rimrocks across from the
airport. Do you know him? He will be speaking from 7 pm to 8:15 pm. The
agenda Title Explorers, Trappers and Traders to honor Archeology Week was
published in the Billings Gazette. Your hometown paper today. Did you see
it? Do you know my brother Vincent Crooked Arm or my son Pious Real Bird?
The Clark Bottom group have some yearly events near Laurel.
Walt
ORMC 1836-1837
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:14:43 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: NMLRA Eastern Ronny
If anyone is gonna be at the NMLRA Eastern in Lovingston, VA this month,
please stop by the Mouse House and sit a spell... always coffee on, meat in
the pot, and other libations available...
Ad Miller
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Your assumptions are agreeable for styles of leg coverings, there will always be some that have other ideas, but what you have stated is well documentated and would think this discussion is closed.
What would be another good item to kick the crap out of ! How about swords in the fur trade or length of knives in comparsion to the earlier "long hunter" types of blade ?
In the footsteps of others,
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______________________________________________
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