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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #619 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 619 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: metis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: John Coffee Hays in the furtrade? -áááááá MtMan-List: leggings -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: metis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leggings -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: leggings -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Leggings -áááááá MtMan-List: leggin's -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: leggin's -áááááá MtMan-List: Aho -áááááá MtMan-List: OT - Bicycle Corps -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Aho -áááááá MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leggin's -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:10:23 -0500 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: John Coffee Hays in the furtrade? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Aho -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT - Bicycle Corps -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Alfred Jacob Miller: Works Viewable on the Intern et -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Aho -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:33:32 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: metis bon jour: i put out a news letter for the hiverant metis. always looking for new mat. if anyone has storys or mat. on the cart meits of the west hunting grounds and during the fur trade a buf days . that i could use i would be much thankful. we also resuch the cart birgads of the nor. plains so we do have materal on the history of metis in the fur trade. any ifo is good. ter/ponyrider _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:50:10 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: John Coffee Hays in the furtrade? Scott, anti-Texan propoganda >> I don't understand it either. Those Colorado folks are more than happy to rid us of our hard earned green backs, all the while cussin us to the high heaven. a hundred and fifty years ago, claimed the land now known as Colorado! >>Yep it was part of Texas. Could be again ! Shouldn't be too much trouble. <GG> Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: scott mcmahon <mountedranger@hotmail.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: John Coffee Hays in the furtrade? Mike, Well I never! ...It's good to see somebody up in your part of the country has a sense of humor about this subject! I was up at Bent's Fort in July and got to listen to all the anti-Texan propoganda, what's that all about? I had people completely mad at me because Texas, a hundred and fifty years ago, claimed the land now known as Colorado! If your scanner won't work I understand... how ever you want to send it is FINE with me...I really appreciate it! Contact me off-list and I'll send you my address if you'd rather mail it. Thanks again and look forward to seeing some of you guys down this way sometime. Most Sincerely, Scott McMahon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:08:01 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: leggings linda;;i agree on leggings not being worn by mt of west. all though there is ref. of a man /low down on his luck only being clad in legging and breech cloth at fort union . the long frings of working leather clothing had a perpose. it help shed the water,acted as a camoflage of the two leged man form. and if a person need a piece of string to tye something up just wack of a piece of fring or two. if fact some of old timers looked at the shape of a persons frings to see how long had he had been on a hunt or trap run. i have done just this, it is realy handy but hard one skins. keep your eyes on the sky line watch your back trail ter/ponyrider _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:35:52 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: metis Ponyrider, check this out: http://www.cot.msubillings.edu/MAS/index.htm Look in the calendar of events Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:41:20 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leggings I would agree with you on some of the statements, but not in the Native American part of the use. THese were special clothing not to be cut at for "string" or dirtied up. It is hell to clean brian tan with all that decoration on it. Just PLAIN leggings are another thing. Some of the old Hidasta leggings were exceptionally long and went beyond the feet. But your everyday leggings, well yes, they can be used for what ever. Many of the Rendezvous guys are dressing up like full fledge tribal warriors. Maybe one or so, but not so many and not with all the beadwork. These gentlemen are mostly doing the 1870's and beyond to modern gunslinger? These types of outfits are impractical for the every day fur trapper. Linda Terrance Luff wrote: > linda;;i agree on leggings not being worn by mt of west. all though there is > ref. of a man /low down on his luck only being clad in legging > and breech cloth at fort union . the long frings of working leather clothing > had a perpose. it help shed the water,acted as a camoflage of the two leged > man form. and if a person need a piece of string to tye > something up just wack of a piece of fring or two. if fact some of > old timers looked at the shape of a persons frings to see how long had > he had been on a hunt or trap run. i have done just this, it is realy > handy but hard one skins. > keep your eyes on the sky line > > watch your back trail > ter/ponyrider > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:44:01 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: leggings With regard to leggings not being worn by mountain men in the north...I think the term I have seen that they used for this item is Saver. Mountain men either brought with them what they wore. Made it themselves on location. Or traded for it. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:58:08 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leggings - --------------28C683C6BAD4BCC738E125CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn, Alot of the men I see at AMM gatherings who use leggings use them over knee breeches. Is this what you are talking about? Or were they used in the indian style with a loin cloth? While regular leggings can be used for trapping (it is nice not to have your leather pants wet all the time in cold weather), I don't figure that many used indian style ones. There are a few mentions of "white" men in Indian clothing, (Francis Parkman tells of one, and of couse Jim Beckwourth- but he is black, the first one mentioned I think was french) but most are either misunderstandings of written appearances or layered leggings like what I asked first. You can use leather leggings over cloth pants and be approiate when portarying a early traveler in the west. Is this a project you are thinking about? I use wool leggings over my clothes in winter. Botas (the south western style leggings) were used in the fur trade. I figure that alot of the workers on the adobe forts which were brought up here to build them used them. You also see references to them in journals for people living in Santa Fe and Toas. I would be careful using them in most portaryals- but even volume one of "The Mountain Man Sketch Book" shows botas on page 35. mike. Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote: > I noticed on my first AMM outing that several brothers used the same > basic leggings pattern (Roughly, 3/4 up the leg on the inside and > sloping up the outside with a built in strap to the belt). In contrast > there are the simple leggings used by the woods runners in the last > Museum of the Fur Trade Article ( Just above the knee and cut straight > accross) or in Bof Buckskinnings article on Southwest style (Just > above the knee, seam in front with pucker toe mocs). > > Are any of these styles better documented or what is the logic for > choosing one over the other? > > Humbly > > WY - --------------28C683C6BAD4BCC738E125CA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Wynn, Alot of the men I see at AMM gatherings who use leggings use them over knee breeches. Is this what you are talking about? Or were they used in the indian style with a loin cloth? While regular leggings can be used for trapping (it is nice not to have your leather pants wet all the time in cold weather), I don't figure that many used indian style ones. There are a few mentions of "white" men in Indian clothing, (Francis Parkman tells of one, and of couse Jim Beckwourth- but he is black, the first one mentioned I think was french) but most are either misunderstandings of written appearances or layered leggings like what I asked first. You can use leather leggings over cloth pants and be approiate when portarying a early traveler in the west. Is this a project you are thinking about? I use wool leggings over my clothes in winter. Botas (the south western style leggings) were used in the fur trade. I figure that alot of the workers on the adobe forts which were brought up here to build them used them. You also see references to them in journals for people living in Santa Fe and Toas. I would be careful using them in most portaryals- but even volume one of "The Mountain Man Sketch Book" shows botas on page 35. mike. Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style> I noticed on my first AMM outing that several brothers used the same basic leggings pattern (Roughly, 3/4 up the leg on the inside and sloping up the outside with a built in strap to the belt). In contrast there are the simple leggings used by the woods runners in the last Museum of the Fur Trade Article ( Just above the knee and cut straight accross) or in Bof Buckskinnings article on Southwest style (Just above the knee, seam in front with pucker toe mocs). Are any of these styles better documented or what is the logic for choosing one over the other? Humbly WY</blockquote> </body> </html> - --------------28C683C6BAD4BCC738E125CA-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:14:53 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" <havenotmetis@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: leggin's linda,mike. the leggings that i talk of would be the working and all around buckskins of a working trappers. which is not the cleanest work, it is hardwork ,trapping,skinning,bailing of furs and branding of bails etc.thus the clothing was will used every day and nite. with a working man the skins were a part of him made to serve a use.the metis women had a good busnes trading brain tanned clothing to the fur trade most were tailored to the new comers style with indian style mixed in. some had some beading and other types of decor including quilwork. most of the time the decor was simple for the working trapper.the "get down" beading was saved for their men. of couse quilwork was held in will standing. we all know how long quiwork would last under wet and rough work. i have been in skinning sence buckskin report came to this state and have seen the change of time trew the years. even the old time half breeds'would not dress in some of the outfits of todays mt.men i see gost shirts and other type s of cothing that are held in religious astem with some of ourmother tribes. bad medicine boy's. BOTAS OR HALF BREED LEGGINGSmt man sketch book also points out that the metis wore these.all though we make them more like indian style with a working and dress style. they were worn to protect the cloth pants and from yucca,snakes, and rough use.of course and art statment always.also keep snow out of moc's.leggings make from brain tan will get that angle from use on the 3/4 as you say.as for the shortones worn over thin cloth pants, were a carry over from styl worn by eastern tribes."good protection in bush on foot." i think a man would of come west fur trade with what his country provided and adapted to the area he was in or by his group.the old fur trapper and metis had their style to id there group. ref. some millers field drawings. as far as cleaning brain tan "being a man" i would rather make ,trade,steal,or wear untell fell off. native or moones is two differenr worlds. we are talking trapper now. if you wish to talk native ,sty with northern plains and i will talk. camp fire getting low so i ll get to my own metis camp.aurovwa mon amie's Aho _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:37:44 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: leggin's camp fire getting low so i ll get to my own metis camp.aurovwa mon amie's Aho Hello Terrance, Where are you hailing from? I like seeing the use of the word Aho. A Crow word for thank you. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:57:06 EDT From: TEXASLAZYB@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Aho Aho is also Kiowa for hello, I think. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:14:31 -0700 From: Julia <sirovetz@proaxis.com> Subject: MtMan-List: OT - Bicycle Corps Dear Mr. Crawford, I was indeed fascinated with the documentary on the Bicycle Solders that was on my local PBS station last evening, it was well done and the segments that you appeared on were very interesting. I would like to thank you for making mention of this program on this list, as I am not sure that I would have watched otherwise. I had never heard of this amazing trek that was made. After living for many years in the area of Montana that they crossed, I can remember scraping the gumbo much off my boots, I can imagine what it took to remove it from bike spokes, men did not come much tougher than those of the Bicycle Corp. Anyway, thanks again, it is a bit of American history that needs to be remembered. Sincerely, Julia - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:09:38 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Aho Aho is also Kiowa for hello, I think. The Kiowa are reported to have lived in the 3 forks area in Montana before they headed south of here. My Crow friends talk about them. I wonder about the exact similarity fo the word. Maybe the answer will show up on the list. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:28:30 GMT From: "Ethan Sudman" <ethan_sudman@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Hi everyone. I'm new here. I am in nineth grade. I am very interested in American history. I have studied the Civil War extensively and the Oregon Trail to some extent. This year I will be studying the War of 1812, American Revolution, etc. in school as well as on my own. Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:40:52 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Hi everyone. I'm new here. I am in nineth grade. I am very interested in American history. I have studied the Civil War extensively and the Oregon Trail to some extent. This year I will be studying the War of 1812, American Revolution, etc. in school as well as on my own. Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) Hi Ethan, Welcome to the mountain man list. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:53:32 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Ethan, Welcome. You will find that there are many very knowledgeable folks on the list. To learn anything from them, you may have to initiate some questions though, as discussions of merit are not constantly on going. So is there something particular on your mind or do ya just want to set a spell enjoying the fire and see what comes up next? <G> I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Sudman" <ethan_sudman@hotmail.com> To: <hist_text@xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:28 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone > Hi everyone. I'm new here. I am in nineth grade. I am very interested in > American history. I have studied the Civil War extensively and the Oregon > Trail to some extent. This year I will be studying the War of 1812, American > Revolution, etc. in school as well as on my own. > > Thanks, > Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:29:09 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Greetings to you, young sir. Glad to see some NEW blood on the list. Feel free to ask questions and give some impute. And I am a History teacher....... Linda Holley Walt Foster wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm new here. I am in nineth grade. I am very interested in > American history. I have studied the Civil War extensively and the Oregon > Trail to some extent. This year I will be studying the War of 1812, American > Revolution, etc. in school as well as on my own. > > Thanks, > Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@hotmail.com) > > Hi Ethan, > > Welcome to the mountain man list. > > Walt > ORMC 1836-1837 > Yellowstone Canoe Camp > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > Park City, Montana > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:08:41 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leggin's Hello, Why don't we check the old boys: From Journal of a Trapper by Osborne Russell... "....a pair of leather breeches with Blanket or smoked Buffaloe skin, leggins,...." Osborne's punctuation wasn't too good, but what he meant came through loud and clear. Allen from Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:30 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Welcome to the list, Ethan... :) Congratulations on your love of history... I think that is something most of us on this list share... Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:13:29 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Welcome Ethan, Good to see a youngster with a good thirst for knowledge. You found a good spot, a lot of knowledgeable folks here abouts. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:15:27 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone welcome to the list allen---glad to see you like history ---theres a bunch of well informed people on this site---pull up and enjoy the ciber fire and the chat---if you have a question then feel free to ask--- no such thing as a silly question if you are truly seeking a answer. "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home Of the " Old Grizz " Product line TRADEMARK (C) 854 Glenfield Drive, Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 E-Mail: Hawknest4@juno.com Phone: 1- 727-771-1815 Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:51 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:10:23 -0500 Ethan Welcome to the History List. As you have already seen, the members here = are friendly and eager to share their knowledge. It is gratifying to = see a young man express an interest in history. Listen in and never be = afraid to ask a question or to offer your own thoughts. However, you should know that a small percentage of what is presented = here as chiseled -in-stone fact is sometimes less accurate than it = should be. When such a "fact" is presented its accuracy might be = challenged and debated at length....sometimes not, so beware of taking = everything you see here at face value. Some of what you might read is "rendezvous lore"...that is, = superficially accurate (or even hardly accurate at all) "facts" learned = at buckskinner rendezvous, etc. So I would caution you to listen to = what you hear but do your due diligence by checking and verifying the = information by your own research, using original sources if possible. = There is a gold mine of such sources available online at: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html I would suggest that you spend = some time here whenever you can. It is an incredible resource. Search through the bibliography of books that interest you so that you = can go directly to that author's sources for more and better = information. By doing that you might find, for instance, that Josiah = Gregg took down the cheap canvas wagon covers from his freight wagons as = he came near Taos on his trading expeditions from St Louis and = re-covered them with more expensive (and more heavily taxed) fabric from = the merchandise he was taking to Taos to trade, thus beating (cheating) = the Tax Man who didn't notice the switch. "Commerce of the Prairie" by = J. Gregg Doing the research will help you determine the accuracy of a statement = and will usually expose you to even more and better information. Good luck and have some fun along the way. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:53:26 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: John Coffee Hays in the furtrade? Hey, Hope the last message and pic went through, where do you want me the send the good stuff? mike. scott mcmahon wrote: > Mike, > Well I never! ...It's good to see somebody up in your part of the country > has a sense of humor about this subject! I was up at Bent's Fort in July and > got to listen to all the anti-Texan propoganda, what's that all about? I had > people completely mad at me because Texas, a hundred and fifty years ago, > claimed the land now known as Colorado! If your scanner won't work I > understand... how ever you want to send it is FINE with me...I really > appreciate it! Contact me off-list and I'll send you my address if you'd > rather mail it. Thanks again and look forward to seeing some of you guys > down this way sometime. > Most Sincerely, > Scott McMahon > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:24:47 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Aho TEXASLAZYB@aol.com writes: > Aho is also Kiowa for hello, I think.>> You are correct about the Crow "Aho" being thank you. It is also thank you in Kiowa, however, they are pronounced differently. In Kiowa it is aaho'ow. Take a look at the following website: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~olsalmi/kiowa.html Crow and Kiowa are somewhat related linguistically. Crow is in the Shoshonean Language Group which is a subset of the Aztec-Tanoan (Utaztecan-Tanoan) group and Kiowa is its own language group (subset) also part of the Aztec-Tanoan group. I remain.... YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:27:29 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Bicycle Corps sirovetz@proaxis.com writes: > I was indeed fascinated with the documentary on the Bicycle Solders > that was on my local PBS station last evening...>> There is a great history, some memorabilia and the complete story of the Bicycle Soldiers in the Fort Missoula Museum in Missoula, Montana. YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:32:18 -0700 From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Alfred Jacob Miller: Works Viewable on the Intern et There is a book of Miller's Field Sketches (fairly standard hardback size, not a coffee-table format) which had well over 100 drawings with a paragraph or two of Miller's notes with each one. I have only seen one copy, in my friend Burnt Spoon's library. This would be an invaluable pictorial resource and I would love to find a copy myself, if only I could remember the exact title. Pat Quilter. - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton [mailto:yrrw@airmail.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:36 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alfred Jacob Miller: Works Viewable on the Internet I haven't been following this topic very closely. Have any of you been able to find a source for Miller's original drawings ? I have been able to see some of them in museums and there are very interesting. There are things in the drawings that don't show up in his paintings which were done after he returned to civilization. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Wind1838@aol.com <Wind1838@aol.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alfred Jacob Miller: Works Viewable on the Internet Mike. Well, I'm glad somebody on this list followed the trail and commented on Miller's magnificent art work. Don't you just wonder what was really going on that day. Old Alfred Jacob Miller, proper Baltimore artiste that he was, just may have just broken out into a sweat. Mr. Moore, you get the A+ in art history today. Laura Glise - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:34:07 EDT From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Ethan: Ever study TALL TALES in school? Well, along with the history you'll catch a few tall tales from a few of the regulars here. Ya'll know who you are . . . . Wind1838 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:35:32 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Aho Wfoster@cw2.com writes: > The Kiowa are reported to have lived in the 3 forks area in Montana before > they headed south of here.>> The Kiowa did move into the southern Plains from the North in the eighteenth century. There is an account of the Kiowa move to the southern plains in N. Scott Momaday's, The Way to Rainy Mountain, 1969, University of New Mexico. I no longer have the book. Take a look at it, it is very interesting. I remain.... YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:40:14 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greetings to everyone Wind1838 Wrote: "Ya'll know who you are . . ." > . She is talking to you Texians.. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #619 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.