> The September issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines each have full page ads for Ruger semi-automatic .22 pistols. I, for one, intend to post them a message thanking them for having the courage to run the ads. I am certain that they will receive negative comments from some people and I don't intend to let theirs be the only comments PS & PM receive.
> Lanney Ratcliff
>
> PM can be reached at www.popularmechanics.com
> PS can be reached at
> www.popsci.com
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Thanks Lanney,
Just e-mail both publishers with lengthy praises.
In the footsteps of others,
D. L. "Concho" Smith
Historical Advisor for:
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: OT - Congrats Concho, et.al.
On your new and improved job as a researcher (for the 1760-1840 time
frame?) ye are in good company with the likes of Laura Glise, Angela
Gottfred, and many others on this list.
Buck: are you officially retired now? NRA Board of Directors? future
U.S. Senator from Idaho? gettin ready for some big doins for the L+C
Bicentennial?
Capt. L: are you un-retiring to command a company to help put out The
Western Fires? (Who knows when The Son of God The Great Spirit Father
will put it out.) October?
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:42:36 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Congrats Concho, et.al.
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From: "JON MARINETTI" <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: OT - Congrats Concho, et.al.
> Buck: are you officially retired now? NRA Board of Directors? future
> U.S. Senator from Idaho? gettin ready for some big doins for the L+C
> Bicentennial?
Jon,
If Buck has any sense at all he wil really retire.
>
> Capt. L: are you un-retiring to command a company to help put out The
> Western Fires? (Who knows when The Son of God The Great Spirit Father
> will put it out.) October?
You've got to be joking! Not on your life. Well, for your life I would but
nothing short of that. <G> They don't need any more crippled up Capt.'s.
What they need are a bunch of young bucks that can run a fire line. Capt. L
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1980 20:51:55 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloader
"Capt. Lahti'" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Thanks to you (almost a primary source in and of yourself <G>)
Thank you, but I'm not *that* old! ;-)
>we are getting closer to the truth. It would be interesting to learn just
what was
>used.
And thank you to the folks who dug out old articles to tell us just how
oilcloth was made in our period!
>>In short, I think
>> Vail goofed; perhaps he was using a late 19th-century formula for
>> waterproofing in a late 18th-century context.
>So your saying that Vail goofed in what he aledges Alexander actually did or
>reported? Wonder where he got the idea?
Well, I should say that I think Vail _might_ have goofed. I've seen similar
errors in other secondary references (secondary=written by a historian). My
favorite is the one in the Time-Life book in their series on the West,
called _The Canadians_. In the section on the voyageurs, the author states
that voyageurs were given a *peso* for every extra piece they took over
Grand Portage. In fact, voyageurs were given a "Spanish dollar"--a large
silver dollar coin minted in Mexico & Spain, better known as an 8-Real coin
or "piece of eight". The author read "Spanish dollar", and just naturally
thought "peso". Understandable, but wrong.
>Would a freference to the corn oil have been in those [Mackenzie's] journals?
I don't recall any, in Mackenzie's journals or anyone else's. I'm going to
see if I can find out when corn oil was first used/manufactured. I'm
probably waaay too skeptical for my own good, but I wouldn't be surprised
to come up with a date in the 1840's or later...
Great discussion, everyone!
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:57:32 EDT
From: Wind1838@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Congrats Concho, et.al.
Jon:
Thank you for your sincere compliment. I am honored any day to be a part of
this list and have my name included in a list of "good company" that includes
Ms. Gottfred, et. al. Much obliged.
Laura Glise
P.S. Flew over Montana and Idaho today on my way home to Washington and saw
the wild fires. From above they looked like campfires but from below I know
the fear and devastation is beyond words. LG
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:35:48 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloader
At 08:51 PM 8/16/1980 -0600, Angela wrote:
> I'm going to
>see if I can find out when corn oil was first used/manufactured. I'm
>probably waaay too skeptical for my own good, but I wouldn't be surprised
>to come up with a date in the 1840's or later...
I've been digging since this thread was first mentioned; but so far I can't
find any period references to the extraction, pressing, expelling, or use
of corn oil. I am not aware of any period colloquialism regarding corn &
oil.
later...
OK; when all else fails use Google (thanks Lanney) and search the web.
http://www.corn.org/web/history.htm
John...
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:10:28 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Waterproofing & Fire Safety 101
To expand on what Concho, Buck, Capt L., and others have been saying.
If you want a historical experience you must do things in a historical way.
Fire is our most powerful tool, we should know enough to exercise caution
when wielding that power. Not to mention most of us are packing a pound or
so of powder in the first place.
If you burn down your shelter or destroy your bedroll you are going to
suddenly learn how to make do and do without. If you're careless with
powder you may need to learn to do without trivial items like eyes and
limbs. If you do this at the wrong time, and don't know enough; you may
not make it out alive, best to learn how to do. In the woods a lawyer
written guarantee don't make decent bum fodder, come to think of it they
ain't worth much more in the settlements.
Safety is practices and procedures -- not stuff. Pay attention this stuff
can get you killed. You are responsible for you. If you are depending on
some other protection you are in the wrong hobby, checkers might be a more
suitable pursuit; but don't fall off the chair.
...begin .....
POSTED CONSUMER WARNING:
This field of endeavor is dangerous and if you don't pay close attention
you can be seriously injured or die. If this is too real, too bad. There
are a great many things associated with what we do that can rise up and
smite you.
...end, posted consumer warning.....
You will never have a clue how it was, unless you do all things as they were.
John Colter ran naked for his life and made it, can you.
If you are going to do things in a modern way why not just rent a
camper? It's lots easier, by the by formaldehyde fumes can kill you. Fire
retardant for fabric was not generally known in the 19th century, you have
less to lose than they did if your excuse is that the tent is too expensive
to risk. If you are simply a worrier who thinks the consumer product
safety people perform a "service" this is the wrong hobby for you and you
should quit immediately -- take up something safe like TV watching; careful
of carpal tunnel beer elbow syndrome.
I and others have posted period receipts for use in waterproofing cloth, if
you really want to.
I will reiterate from previous threads: that I don't perceive a real
advantage to oil cloth for the majority of uses, if good quality canvas is
used in the first place. I own oil cloth and you must really be careful
using it or you will increase the moisture in close proximity to your
body. Condensation in cold weather can be deadly. It can make a chill
night miserable. Tight woven canvas will readily turn the hardest rain if
it has just a little drainage.
The best use I've found for oil cloth is to wrap goods against the
dew. On wet ground it can provide a barrier to the greater dampness below,
if used on dry ground under a bedroll it always comes up wet. Less
noticeable in drier climates like the Rocky Mountains. Sometimes a tough
call which is better for a ground cloth - with or without. I think a
heavier weight of quality canvas without oil/wax treatment offers better
all-around utility for a given gross weight in the mountain west, in high
humidity areas an oil cloth ground cover offers perhaps less
dampness. Don't throw it over you or you will be damp through and through.
On treating the reclaimed canvas that started this thread you may have
concerns, and how good was the canvas in the first place? Paint may be your
best solution. It limits the utility of the result.
Have you ever been in a wax or oil treated tent on a really hot sunny
day? You may want to do that before you use anything on any tent. Some of
the chemicals available can do you grave harm. A less manageable hazard
than fire when present. I've not noted fumes with factory treated canvas
like Sun Forger, it doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any.
You did want something else to worry about didn't you?
Read and comprehend the MSDS if you still choose a modern way; look up
those things you are using in a chemical hazards dictionary at the
library. Then decide if they are in fact safer or better or only different
and cheaper and newer.
If you use old ways common sense will take you far Pilgrim.
John...
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john kramer@kramerize.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:44:07 EDT
From: Iambrainey@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Waterproofing & Fire Safety 101
In a message dated 00-08-17 05:12:28 EDT, you write:
<< John Colter ran naked for his life and made it, can you. >>
I've heard references to this story before. Can someone give a reference to
a full version? Thanks,
Ben Rainey
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:21:08 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Congrats Concho, et.al.
You know, I was thinking of taking on an apprentice... Ya interested Buck? I
offered the job to Pendleton, he turned me down... I thought the employment
benifits and wage package was awful fair.. If interested, as L.P about
details
D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
"Knowing how is just the beginning"
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