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hist_text-digest       Thursday, August 3 2000       Volume 01 : Number 602



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: In memorium?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Coyote of the Nimipoo
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: In memorium?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Introduction, Shooting bags and bullet blocks
-áááááá MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Moccasins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Moccasins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá MtMan-List: shot pouches
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coyote of the Nimipoo
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Introduction, Shooting bags and bullet blocks
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bag Question
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Moccasins
-áááááá MtMan-List: I need horn
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitch was Wild Cherry sap...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pitch was Wild Cherry sap...

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:01:51 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

Good topic, Dennis.

> Doesn't really matter.. But I guess we can go from mid-18th to mid 19th C.

The problem is that there was apparently quite a significant change in the
bags they used over that period of time. From everything I've been able to
find out, bags in the mid-18th century were plain, simple and small. As
time went on, they grew larger and more formal, and more whistles and bells
were added. Early bags were frequently just a single-pocket bag with a
thong type strap, and not more than 7-8 inches wide. The only fancy ones
I've seen documentation for were those of some Native Americans, which were
beaded and with a large strap of the same. Some white men used similar
bags, but not most.

After 1800, the bags began to grow larger and things were added to help
with maintaining the gun, picks and brushes, measures, etc. As far as I
know, the double bag wasn't used in the 18th century, probably not until
late in the first quarter of the 19th. Those machine sewn or professionally
made bags with decorations on the flap or otherwise, fringes, pockets,
etc., were probably pretty late in the 19th.

A change which went along with that taking place in the bag was occurring
with the horns, too. In mid-18th century the horns were quite large and
tended to be fancy, with engraving, carving. Over the succeeding decades,
they became smaller and more plain.

With this in mind, and assuming it's correct, for my 18th-century
reenacting. I use a plain pigskin bag, single pocket, made of one piece of
leather and with no decorations, fasteners, etc. With that, I carry a quite
large carved horn. When I do a later period, with a Golden Age or early
19th-century type gun, I carry a bag made the same, but it's a double bag.
If I'm in the mood to use my plains rifle, I use a larger "D" shaped bag
with fringes, antler button fasteners, pockets, etc. Progressively smaller
horns match to each type bag.

BTW, those "game bags" made of canvas trimmed with leather, with
multi-purpose pockets, etc. were used from the middle of the 1900s until
late in the percussion period. The same is true of powder dispensing bags
or flasks with either the English or Irish type spouts. They are great for
use with your percussion double shotguns, but not appropriate for the 18th
century.

If anyone has any documentation which is contrary to this, I'd sure like to
see it. That especially includes any period references to short starters
and loading blocks, both of which may be 20th century inventions.

Over the years, I've come to suspect that there is no piece of equipment
which has been "interpreted" with a 20th-century twist more than the
shooting bag.

>My curiosity is up & just wondering is most folks change bags as often as
>I...  I went rom leather to hemp, to bark tan, then homespun linen and now
>the oil tanned double.

I settled on all this a long time ago, and haven't changed my bag for
several years.


Bob

Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:07:22 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: In memorium?

Those of us who don't "do" the 18th century need help.  Who died on August
1, 1794?

>May we have a moment of silence in memorium of August 1, 1794?
>John...

HBC

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:14:02 -0700
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Coyote of the Nimipoo

John Hunt wrote:

> Any chance you will share the coyote that lives under the falls?

John

The story of Coyote and the Nimipoo (Nez Perce), is a long one, as the Nimipoo
elders credit Coyote with being the creator, you can see the whole story at
http://www.uidaho.edu/nezperce/monster.htm

However, after creating the Nimipoo and the surrounding tribes, tribal lore
states that Coyote was said to live in a cave at the bottom of the Big Eddy on
the Clearwater, a veritable disaster of a place with whirlppools, rip currents,
rapids, and turned over dugouts (glad I left my rifle at home for this trip).

The Nimipoo tended to avoid that place as sacred, which probably saved the lives
of a score of young boys over the years.

The strange thing is that divers did find a cave at the bottom of the Eddy, some
90 feet under water.  Now how, I ask you, did the Indians know that 100 years
ago?

Here's to Coyote, who no doubt is supping his drink with my cup right now.

Mystified In Idaho

Lee Newbill
Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders




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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:21:08 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

Hawk,

I'll see if I can find the wife's digital camera and get a picture off to
you. I'd like to see yours too. Capt. L


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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question


> cpt L.
> if you have a jpg of your shooting bag i sure would like to see a picture
> of it ---mine is a double beavertail and I can send you a copy of it in
> jpg's---its maid out of a old leather mail pouch.---
>
> YMHOSANT
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:29:32 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: In memorium?

HBC
 Whiskey Rebellion...
D

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:28:43 -0500
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Introduction, Shooting bags and bullet blocks

I have been lurking on this list for some time and decided to jump in. Some
of you already know me in person and from other lists. My name is Randy
Hedden or "Harddog". I am a member of the AMM from the Illinois Brigade,
Three Rivers Alliance Party.

I currently have three different shooting pouches. The first is a small bag,
6x7 with just a bullet bag sewn to the inside back, that I carry with my
typical 18th century rifles and fowlers.

The second bag is a double bag, 8x8,  that I carry when I feel the need to
carry roundball, shot, and the wads used with the shot. The double bag has
two main pockets of course as well as bullet bag or pouch sewn into the back
inside of the rear main pocket and has a flat envelope pocket sewn to the
outside front of the bag that is covered by the flap. I find the envelope
pocket the perfect place to stash up to ten premade cartridges. The main
front pocket holds my wads and shot pouch and 50 or 60 30 caliber balls in
the bottom for use in buck and ball loads. The rear main pocket contains
those items for the care and repair of my flintlock, such as a small knife,
extra flints, extra patching material. The bullet bag that is sewn to the
inside back of the rear main pocket is pulled up and stuck into the front
main pocket so as to kind of close off the rear main pocket so there is no
confusion of getting into the wrong pocket when in a hurry.

The third bag, which I don't carry much more, is larger, 8x10, and is a
beavertail style that I used to carry with my hawken style rifles. It also
has just a bullet bag sewn on the rear inside.

I like jaeger rifles and early German/Pennsylvania transitional rifles and
probably will sometime soon make myself a great big old German hunting/game
bag.

Randy Hedden
AMM #1393



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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:37:14 -0500
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

Is there anyone out there besides me that thinks or has documentation that
shooting bags for any time period varied greatly by geographic location and
nationality?

I am particularly thinking of the Pennsylvania Dutch who carried the large
game/hunting bags while maybe people of English, Scottish, or French
heritage carrried smaller bags of different style.

Randy Hedden


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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:05:29 -0400
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

Is there a way we can post pics of our bags on this board?  I would like to
see what ya'll are carrying.



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Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:37 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags


> Is there anyone out there besides me that thinks or has documentation that
> shooting bags for any time period varied greatly by geographic location
and
> nationality?
>
> I am particularly thinking of the Pennsylvania Dutch who carried the large
> game/hunting bags while maybe people of English, Scottish, or French
> heritage carrried smaller bags of different style.
>
> Randy Hedden
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:19:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

In a message dated 8/2/00, Dennis writes:

<< I will show this to the other half later.. Then you are on your own...<G>
 D >>

Bag Axe istantly becomes Fox Axe.

Longshot

"Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage"
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:04:32 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Moccasins

Ho the list!

I am in the process of making another pair of moccasins and have settled on
the one-piece side seam style. I have a copy of George M. White's "Craft
Manual of North American Indian Footwear" which has a pattern for these
(Salish).

White's pattern has ankle extensions that he states should be around 6
inches tall. But, in all the period descriptions of moccasin making that I
have read, there is no mention of adding these extensions. Personally, I
like to have "high tops" as it seems to add more support for my aging ankles
when hiking. It also helps keep out the dirt & rock.

Now my question.......

Has anyone found primary documentation for these extensions?

Do you make them like that anyway?

Any other thoughts on White's book?

Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory



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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:00:10 -0600
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Moccasins

At 04:04 PM 08/02/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>like to have "high tops" as it seems to add more support for my aging ankles
>when hiking. It also helps keep out the dirt & rock.

Lou,

Don't think the extensions will give you any ankle support (at least in
moccasin weight leather, but they really help keep the dirt, rocks, snow out.
>

>Has anyone found primary documentation for these extensions?

I haven't, but now there's a new task!
>
>Do you make them like that anyway?
>
Yes, I find it's a big aid.

>Lou Sickler
>Colorado Territory
>
>
Allen Hall in Fort Hall country


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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:04:21 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

Dennis,
  I prefer single bags, about 8X8 in size, with just a small pocket in the
back to hold a extra flint, a couple of greased patches and a tow worm.
Like you I tend to build a new bag every year or two.  I tried a double bag
once and found it to be too bulky.  As far as gadgets, gee gaws, and add
ons, I use the K.I.S.S. method.  I don't want anything attached to the
outside of a bag, except one of your patch knives, it is in a sheath sewn to
the back of my rifle bag.
Pendleton
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From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:53 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Bag Question


Got a question...  I just did me up another bag recently, this time in a
double version with a shot charger attached in between the bags in the
fold..  I think I like it, but we will see during the upcoming Fall &
Winter.
My question is:  If you had to purchase (or make) your shooting bag all over
again, would it be single or double and what gee gaws or "add-ons" would you
like to attach??

D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
         DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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"Knowing how is just the beginning"





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:12:00 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

>Is there a way we can post pics of our bags on this board?  I would like to
>see what ya'll are carrying.

Probably not on this board, but most ISPs provide space for you to do that
sort of thing. I use mine all the time, and it's very handy.

Here is my bag and its contents, which, as you can see, are minimal. The
bag is 7" x 7 1/2", sewn with no gusset, out of one piece of pigskin. The
whole outfit weighs less than 1 1/2 pounds.

http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/Bag1.jpg
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/Bag2.jpg

Bob

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:56 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

Someone said he's like to see what bags we carry. These are the other two I
use, occasionally. I don't use them for reenacting, just for hunting with
guns of the appropriate style. The double bag is sewn with no gusset, but
with a welt. The "D" bag is sewn with a 2" gusset for added room.

http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/DoubleBag.jpg
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/D-Bag.jpg

Bob

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:26:11 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: shot pouches

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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:21:38 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyote of the Nimipoo

  Thanks Lee, will check it out.


John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
longhunter
mountainman
Southwest, Ohio

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:51:01 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

Hawk,

Did you ever receive a couple of pics of my bag today? Capt. L

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> cpt L.
> if you have a jpg of your shooting bag i sure would like to see a picture
> of it ---mine is a double beavertail and I can send you a copy of it in
> jpg's---its maid out of a old leather mail pouch.---
>
> YMHOSANT
>
>     "HAWK"
> Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:15:21 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

harddog
totally agree with you have about 8 or 10 original bags and each is
uniquely different in size and type its a wonderment the difference they
are---from a simple bag to a very elaborate one---sorepaw(wayne Welge) in
st louis had a bird hunting bag that i have tried to get from him for
about 10 years---it is made of the feet of deer skins and has loops for
birds on it or squirrels---it is a shotgun bag and a bit bigger than a
normal bag---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:12:30 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction, Shooting bags and bullet blocks

hard dog if you have a jpg of the bags send me a copy am putting together
a set of notes on practical and useful bags---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:16:19 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Bags

frank ---
putting togethae a bit of notes on the subject will forward wehat i have
when i get it together---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:47:29 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bag Question

CPT L.
got the pictures

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:02:06 -0500
From: "harddog" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bag Question

Hawk,
I'll see if I can email a couple of pictures tomorrow.
Harddog


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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:37:18 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Moccasins

Allen,

Well, I find that the leather whangs, when wrapped around the ankle and
lower calf, do in fact make my ankles feel better. Maybe it's just my
imagination, but SOMETHING feels better than when hiking with "low tops".

I did find one reference to this style from our old friend George Ruxton:

"Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains"

Each tribe of Prairie Indians has a different method of making moccasins, so
that any one, acquainted with the various fashions, is at no loss to know
the nation to which any particular one belongs whom he may happen to meet.
The Arapahos and Cheyennes use a "shoe" moccasin, that is, one which reaches
no higher than the instep, and wants the upper sideflaps which moccasins
usually have. I always used Chippewa moccasins, which differ from those of
the Prairie make, by the seam being made up the center of the foot to the
leg, and puckered into plaits. This, which is the true fashion of the
"Forest Indian," (who, by the by, is as distinct in character and appearance
from him of the "plains" as a bear from a blue-bottle) attracted the
attention of the Arapaho warriors, and caused a lively discussion amongst
themselves, owing to the novelty of the manufacture. They all surrounded me,
and each examined and felt carefully the unusual chaussure.

Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Allen Hall [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:00 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: MtMan-List: Moccasins
>
> At 04:04 PM 08/02/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >like to have "high tops" as it seems to add more support for my aging
> ankles
> >when hiking. It also helps keep out the dirt & rock.
>
> Lou,
>
> Don't think the extensions will give you any ankle support (at least in
> moccasin weight leather, but they really help keep the dirt, rocks, snow
> out.
> >
>
> >Has anyone found primary documentation for these extensions?
>
> I haven't, but now there's a new task!
> >
> >Do you make them like that anyway?
> >
> Yes, I find it's a big aid.
>
> >Lou Sickler
> >Colorado Territory
> >
> >
> Allen Hall in Fort Hall country
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:53:08 -0400
From: "Dennis Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: I need horn

Please forgive the cross posting.. Mea Culpa

Gentlemen & Ladies

I am in need of 5 or so pieces of solid horn tip, preferably blonde. And at
LEAST 5" long.
I will trade iron goods or Dead Presidents for these. Yer choice.

Thanks
 Dennis

"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
         DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

 "Knowing how is just the beginning"


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:57:34 -0500
From: "jdearing" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitch was Wild Cherry sap...

>
> Great story!   So.....Let me get this straight...the pine pitch is the
> "turpintine", add some animal fat, in this case pork fat, heat, and you
have
> a good, waterproof glue!
> I'll try it...
>
If you use this recipe you will get a soft pitch used on bark canoes in
winter when regular pitch would become too brittle.

Pitch, as used  glue arrow heads to arrow shafts, for example, is pine pitch
mixed with charcoal.

Here is what I have from another mailing list;

Heat some water in a can and dump the chunks of pitch in there. When they
melt, they should float to the surface and the impurities should sink. It
will melt just don't let it boil unless you want a brittle type of pitch.
You
then use a small stick and twirl the melted pitch like cotton candy. To
use it, just apply heat onto the "pitch on sticks" and apply. To smooth
the humps, after application, heat the part you have applied pitch to
(bindings on an arrowhead for example) to melt the pitch and let the
excess flow away. When it cools, you have a nicely sealed binding or
whatever. Don't mix in the fat as fat,
grease, or oil is what I use to cut it and get it off my hands.
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My experience is that the glue joint gets stronger the longer you heat the
pitch and the reason is you are driving out the volatiles  Pitch that has
been heated repetedly lacks plasticity and therefore when a glue joint
fails it fails catastrophically.  If one thinks of these glues in terms of
modern day glues then pitch with volatiles and milkweed sap are more like
using "DUCO" Cement and if it has been heated until the volatiles are
driven off it becomes more like "SUPER GLUE" and works best if used the
same way. That means  smooth surfaces that fit well together without voids.
  If one wants to use SUPER GLUE to glue objects together that have voids,
try sprinkling baking soda on one of the surfaces before  you apply the
SUPER GLUE,  you will be able to repair items that using that method that
were impossible to repair with SUPER GLUE before.

The ashes work with the pitch in the same way that the baking soda does
with SUPER GLUE .  Pitch glue (without volatiles)  is strong if used in a
VERY thin layer on items without voids.  For glue joints with thickness
and/or voids use  a filler (ashes).











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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:03:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pitch was Wild Cherry sap...

In a message dated 8/3/00 12:02:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<
 Pitch, as used  glue arrow heads to arrow shafts, for example, is pine pitch
 mixed with charcoal.
  >>
Ok.... not many pines on the West side of the Cascades, cept Lodgepole, will
any evergreen pitch work? Got lottsa Douglas Fir here...
Ymos,
Steve

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