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hist_text-digest        Thursday, June 15 2000        Volume 01 : Number 575



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Digest #574-Re:hats
-áááááá MtMan-List: Old Hat
-áááááá MtMan-List: re:  Skunked
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Artifact, etc.
-áááááá MtMan-List: wagons
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: wagons & RDV
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: wagons
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lee Valley Tools has new product line (OT)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hafen's Mountain Men series

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: mitch post <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Digest #574-Re:hats

Warning-Shameless advertisment!! In response to
questions on rebuilding/refurbishing old hats-I
rebuild hats,sell new hats-felt and palm-leaf,& sell
"recylced" hats. Contact me off-list if interested. I
will attempt to rebuild hats most other shops turn
away. Thanks in advance,Mitch Post Hiparoo Hats
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:46:57 -0500
From: Glenn Darilek <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Hat

[e-mail] wrote:

>Anyone have suggestions on reshaping a tired old hat which
>has sagged to funnel shape, or should I just break down and
>replace it?

No need to reshape it.  That is an authentic and realistic shape.
Alfred Jacob Miller drew hats exactly like that.  Some portraits had
felt hats that were their "new shape", but most of the drawings of felt
hats on mountaineers in camp, on the trail, or hunting had the
"hillbilly" shape.  That is the way they naturally get after getting wet
several times when you have no blocks or irons to reblock them.

Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:03:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: re:  Skunked

Not to sure why you would go to all that trouble.  I always kept about a 1/2
dozen quart size cans of tomato juice handy.  Works wonders!  All you have to
do is to work the tomato juice into the fur then wash it out.  Worked great
every time my mixed breed came back all happy with herself...

Cheers,

Joe Kerley




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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:18:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Artifact, etc.

Detroit Free Press, Mon. 06-12-00, pp.1C,2C.  Articles by Patricia
Chargot for "Yak's Corner".

The World of Lewis & Clark at The Gerald R. Ford Museum in Grand Rapids.
display thru Oct.29.

a wooden bowl carved into the shape of a beaver that once held whale
oil.  hasn't been used since 1806 - still leaches whale oil.

article on Peyton C. "Bud" Clark, 55, who is the
great-great-great-grandson of William Clark.  family left St.Louis in
the late [19]50's. now lives in Dearborn, Mich. accompanying b&w photo
of him in brain-tanned shirt with fringe using a sextant.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Pickert <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: wagons

anyone out here know if the had wagons at any of the rondevous?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:41:22 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wagons & RDV

The following information can be found in Rocky Mountain Rendezvous by =
Fred Gowans.

Dr Frederick A. Wislizenus was a German physician who accompanied the =
1839 caravan sent to the mountains by Pierre Chouteau.  Part of his =
journal follows:
"Our caravan was small.  It consisted of only twenty-seven persons.  =
Nine of them were in the service of the Fur Company of St Louis =
(Chouteau, Pratte, & Co), and were to bring the merchandise to the =
yearly rendezvous on the Green River.  Their leader was Mr Harris, a =
mountaineer without special education, but with five sound sences (sic), =
that he well know how to use.  All the rest joined the expedition as =
individuals.  Among them were three missionaries, two of them =
accompanied by their wives, whom a christian zeal for converting the =
heathen urged to the Columbia...The majority of the party were =
Americans; the rest consisted of French Canadians, a few Germans, and a =
Dane.  The Fur Company transported its goods on two-wheeled carts, of =
whic there were four, each drawn by two mules, and loaded with 800 to =
900 pounds.  The rest put their p[acks on mules or horses, of which =
there were fifty to sixty in the caravan."

Osborne Russell said the following about the 1838 rendezvous at the =
forks of the Wind River:

"....There we found Mr Dripps from St Louis with 20 horse carts loaded =
with Supplies....

In 1837 the supply train under the direction of Thomas Fitzpatrick  had =
30 wagons and two carts.  This is the rendezvous where Bridger got his =
suit of armor.

Of the 1836 rendezvous Narcissa Whitman wrote the following in her =
journal:

The Fur Com. is large this year.  We are really a moving village--nearly =
four hundred animals with ours, mostly mules and seventy men.  The Fur =
Com. has seven wagons and one cart, drawn by six mules each, heavily =
loaded; the cart drawn by tow mules carries a lame man (Milton Sublette) =
one of the proprieters of teh Com.  We have two waggons in our =
company........"

In 1835 Marcus Whitman wrote:

"August 1st left the fort (Ft William) for rendezous with pack animals =
only, the company having left their wagon at the fort

A quick review of Gowan's book reveals only mentions of pack animals at =
earlier rendezvous.


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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:21:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wagons

The first wagons were taken to rendezvous in 1830 by "william Sublette of the
Smith, Jackson and Sublette Fur Company.  Sublette took ten wagons, sturdily
built to withstand Indain attack and capable of carrying heavy merchandise.
The wagons were purchased from Joseph Murphy, a well known St. Louis wagon
maker.  In addition to the ten wagons which were pulled by a ten mule team
and two Dearborn wagons, pulled by one mule each, Sublette also took along
twelve head of cattle and one milch cow.  these were to provide food for his
80 men until they reached buffalo country.  ("Bill Sublette, Mountain Man" by
John E. Sunder.  University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, 1959.  pp. 84-85.)

Jim Hardee

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1980 10:59:31 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lee Valley Tools has new product line (OT)

Since many list members are fans of Ottawa-based Lee Valley Tools, I
thought I'd update you folks on what president Leonard Lee has been up to
lately. I just heard him on CBC Radio talking about his new company, Canica
(sp?), which will soon be selling scalpels and retractors. A surgeon & wood
carver, Dr. Michael Bell, discovered that the Veritas Wood Carver's Tool
was not only the world's best carving tool, but also the world's best
scalpel. But he phoned Mr. Lee to complain about the way the tip oxidized
after repeated autoclaving. It was the beginning of a beautiful
relationship--Lee & Bell discovered that hand surgical tools were just as
amenable to improvement as traditional wood-carving tools, and the new
product line will be available through (what else?) mail-order later this
year.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:47:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hafen's Mountain Men series

Many of you are probably aware of Leroy Hafen's ten volume series "The
Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West."  Finding a complete set is
not easy and  when you do the price is pretty steep.  Trying to collect the
series one volume at a time is more affordable except that vol. one and vol.
ten are virtually imposible to find.  For anyone interested, Arthur Clark,
the original publisher, is going to reprint Vol. one soon.  It will sell for
$55 but only 500 will be printed.  It will be identical to the original with
the addition of a new introduction by Janet LeCompte and William Swaggerty.
This volume contains 20 biographies of trappers including Clyman, Meek, Head,
Chardon, Larpenteur and others.  There is also a 150+ page condensed history
of the fur trade that may well be the best short version ever written.  If
anyone is interested, contact me off line and I'll give you the info.

Jim Hardee
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
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