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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #576 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, June 18 2000 Volume 01 : Number 576 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Hat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Hat -áááááá MtMan-List: guns plans -áááááá MtMan-List: Server trouble... -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Server trouble... -áááááá MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: Masonville fire in Colo. - brothers OK. -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls -áááááá MtMan-List: Stirrups -áááááá MtMan-List: Red Flag -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Red Flag -áááááá MtMan-List: Unknown Items -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Stirrups -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:28:28 -0500 From: "Karl Kroll" <karl@intercompco.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 What is the easiest low cost way to get suitable warm weather clothing (not leather) for a rendezvous. Are there any brands of modern clothes that can be easily modified so they look period correct? If needed I can get clothes sewn for me if I have a pattern. (Where does a guy buy patterns?) The clothes would have to look authentic enough so I would not detract from the event. I also need clothes for my 11 year old daughter. Thank you - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:08:25 -0600 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 There are numerous traders out there who sell clothing, many of them by catalogue or by e-trade. You might try finding Hamilton Dry Goods on the net. He has both ready made clothing and patterns at reasonable prices. - -----Original Message----- From: Karl Kroll <karl@intercompco.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 >What is the easiest low cost way to get suitable warm weather clothing (not >leather) for a rendezvous. Are there any brands of modern clothes that can >be easily modified so they look period correct? If needed I can get clothes >sewn for me if I have a pattern. (Where does a guy buy patterns?) >The clothes would have to look authentic enough so I would not detract from >the event. I also need clothes for my 11 year old daughter. > >Thank you > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:36:22 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 > >What is the easiest low cost way to get suitable warm weather clothing (not > >leather) for a rendezvous. Check www.members.tripod.com/Bushwomans for excellent period clothing. Her prices are good, and her workmanship is excellent and all period researched. Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:15:49 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #575 Karl Gohn Brothers supplies the Amish community with ready made clothes, = fabric and many other supplies that suit their needs. Much of their = clothing might meet your and your daughter's needs. Write them or call = for a catalog. Their prices are very reasonable and they ship very = quickly. One thing...if you order any clothing, particularly drop front = pants, ask what color thread will be used. A friend of mine ordered = some light gray pants and they arrived sewn with black thread, making = them look look like a 19th century leisure suit. Waugh!! YMOS Lanney Ratcliff Gohn Brothers P.O. Box 111 Middlebury IN 46540-0111 (219) 825-2400 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:40:10 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Hat Pat, Thanks for the reply. Our hats are similar. I agree completely about value and about memories! My desire was motivated from the more practical aspect of the wider brim offering more shade - a health concern for me. After (hopefully) re-achieving the desired shape I was figuring to use the same technique I use on tarps to lessen the effects of future moisture. I've been shaping a head-size wooden block and am attempting to improvise a press of sorts. Wasn't sure whether just soaking the hat would suffice (not much trouble) or whether steaming (probably too much trouble) would be required. Tom Pat Quilter wrote: > Gee, a lot of people would value that "tired old hat" as a memento of much > time in the sun and rain. My hat is the first thing I bought and has > outlasted several outfits, many outings, and a few wrecks. However, the felt > can be reshaped with heat and moisture, which will soften the glue holding > the fibers. You may need to improvise something in the shape of your head to > hold the crown steady while you flatten the brim (hatmakers have an > adjustable device for this purpose). Presumably it will tend to return to > the funnel shape after more hard use. This must have been a fact of life in > the old days too. Best of luck > Pat Quilter > > -----Original Message----- > From: tom roberts [mailto:troberts@gdi.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:25 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Old Hat > > Anyone have suggestions on reshaping a tired old hat which > has sagged to funnel shape, or should I just break down and > replace it? > > Tom > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 2000 12:03:41 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Hat Steaming is no problem. Just put on the tea kettle and go for it. On Sunday, August 6, 1939, tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> wrote: >Pat, > >Thanks for the reply. Our hats are similar. I agree completely about >value and about memories! My desire was motivated from the more = practical >aspect of the wider brim offering more shade - a health concern for me. >After (hopefully) re-achieving the desired shape I was figuring to use = the same >technique I use on tarps to lessen the effects of future moisture. I've = been >shaping a head-size wooden block and am attempting to improvise a press >of sorts. Wasn't sure whether just soaking the hat would suffice (not = much >trouble) >or whether steaming (probably too much trouble) would be >required. > >Tom > >Pat Quilter wrote: > >> Gee, a lot of people would value that "tired old hat" as a memento of = much >> time in the sun and rain. My hat is the first thing I bought and has >> outlasted several outfits, many outings, and a few wrecks. However, the = felt >> can be reshaped with heat and moisture, which will soften the glue = holding >> the fibers. You may need to improvise something in the shape of your = head to >> hold the crown steady while you flatten the brim (hatmakers have an >> adjustable device for this purpose). Presumably it will tend to return = to >> the funnel shape after more hard use. This must have been a fact of = life in >> the old days too. Best of luck >> Pat Quilter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tom roberts [mailto:troberts@gdi.net] >> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:25 PM >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: MtMan-List: Old Hat >> >> Anyone have suggestions on reshaping a tired old hat which >> has sagged to funnel shape, or should I just break down and >> replace it? >> >> Tom >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:17:58 +0200 From: "Pavel Grund" <pavel.grund@worldonline.cz> Subject: MtMan-List: guns plans Hallo! My friend is collector of historic arms plans. Is anybody agreeable send it into Czech? Mainly interesting are arms from American Revolution, "NORTH WEST TRADE GUN", technically interesting arms, guns, rifles, pistols and percussion revolver transformed for metal cartridge. Peggy p.s. I have new e-mail by technical cause: pavel.grund@worldonline.cz or peggy@wo.cz - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:48:25 -0400 From: chand@isgroup.net Subject: MtMan-List: Server trouble... Will someone please tell me how to move my e-mail membership of this list to chand@alltel.net I am giving up on this server.. it is dog food and cannot stay connected.. today! CrookedHand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:00:41 -0700 From: Frank <kj7ca@nvbell.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Server trouble... Go here: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html The instructions are all there! Frank chand@isgroup.net wrote: > Will someone please tell me how to move my e-mail membership > of this list to > chand@alltel.net > > I am giving up on this server.. it is dog food and cannot stay > connected.. > > today! > CrookedHand > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 00 18:10:46 EDT From: Concho Smith <conchosmith@netscape.net> Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: Masonville fire in Colo. - brothers OK. Hey folks, Just got off the phone with Buck Conner, of whom many know from this list= , and several of the muzzleloading business he has had over the last 20 years. = He tells me that the "Bob Cat" fire near Loveland Colorado, came real close = to getting the old "buckhorn rendezvous" store and homestead, with in a 1/4 = mile. That's real close for an uncontrolled fire that burned 10,000 acres in ju= st a few days. Sad it some some real nice old cabins that had lots of history = with them. He said to tell the AMM boys that "Quill" Ken Smith and "Trapper Tom" Dwa= in Thompson are fine and "Trapper" is safe, got to within 700 yards of his p= lace. He now has several bears hanging around along with the local elk and deer= herds, now in his back and front yards. Thanks Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:31:04 -0400 From: packratt@erols.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls Sorry it took so long to get this information up. I had to wait for her to get it to me. Mordant: ALUM 1 Ounce of fiber ("wet" -- soak in warm water for about 10 minutes) 1 quart of water 1 teaspoon of alum (loose) 1/2 teaspoon of cream of tarter In measuring alum and tarter, do not pack them firmly in the spoon. It is preferable to have slightly less than to have extra. Dissolve the alum and tarter in 1/4 cup of warm water and add this to the quart of water, stirring to distribute the mordants evenly. Place the wet fiber in the mordant bath and slowly bring the bath to a simmer over medium heat. This should take from 45 to 60 minutes. To keep the bath from getting hot too soon, either lower the heat or place and asbestos pad between the heat and the pan. The yarn may be moved around gently in the bath but do not stir it too much. When the bath with the yarn in it has reached about 190 degrees F. (tiny bubbles will start to appear around the rim of the pan), reduce the heat slightly and simmer the yarn for an additional 45 minutes. The yarn may be left to cool in the bath or it may be dyed immediately after squeezing out the excess moisture. Yarn to be kept for future dying may either be wrapped in a towel and stored in the refrigerator, or dried and then stored for future usage. Black Walnut Dye NOTE: For each ounce of yarn to be dyed, 1 quart of dye bath must be prepared. The color will be better if the nuts are gathered when they are fresh and green. They should be soaked for at least 24 hours (remove the hulls from the nuts first). The hulls are then boiled to extract the color. If the nuts are soaked for about a week, the boiling time for the hulls can be shortened. The hulls can also be air-dried and stored for future use. Walnut hulls that are permitted to ferment will give an even stronger brown color. The dye produced is color-fast even without a mordant. A black color can be achieved if used as an over dye with indigo or log wood. Walnut dye is also used as a saddening agent to darken other colors. Prolonged simmering of the yarn in the dye bath should be avoided as it tends to make the yarn harsh. Preparing the Bath: 2 Cups fresh black walnut hulls 1 quart water Break 2 cups of hulls into small pieces and cover them with water. Cover the pan to keep light out to produce a darker color. Soak the hulls for 24 hours (it is preferable to soak them for a week or shorten the boiling time). After soaking, boil the hulls and water vigorously in the covered pan. If the hulls have soaked for a week, the boiling time is 60 minutes; with a 3-4 day soak boiling time is 90 minutes; a 24 hours soak will take a 2 hour boil time to develop the full dye potential. It may be necessary to add a little water during the boiling. After boiling, strain the hulls from the bath and add enough water to make 1 quart of dye. Brown: Alum Mordant: This is the formula to reach a brownish color.......wool will be darker than cotton 1 quart dye bath 1 ounce "wet" Alum mordent fiber Place fiber in dye bath and bring it quickly to the simmering point over high heat. Reduce the heat to low and simmer gently for 30 minutes. Remove fiber and rinse thoroughly. If a deeper shade is desired, the fiber may be left to cool in the dye bath over night before rinsing. I hope that this helps I have other mordant formulas if you need them......let me know..... I have the following: Chrome Tin Iron Copper Sulfate - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:41:25 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls packratt@erols.com writes: > Sorry it took so long to get this information up. I had to wait for her to > get it to me. That is good information..........if one is dyeing wool yarn. However the information is no guarantee that this particular mordant will work with any other material. Mordants are particular to fiber type. Each requires a different mordant. Animal fibers do not require the same as vegetable fibers, and there are variances within each fiber type as well. Animal fibers are protein based while vegetable fibers are cellulose based. One has to be very careful when applying dyebaths designed for yarns when trying to dye other substances. As a general rule: Walnut is self mordanting. The best dye is made from green hulls. Other parts of the tree can be used, but a lesser quality (weaker) dye will result. Put the crushed hulls inside a pair of panty hose and tie a knot in them. It will save having to stain the brew later. Heat is not required for the extraction process. If trying to save the dye for future use, add about 1 qt. of alcohol to five gallons of dye. Sumac bark added to the walnut dye will give a dark chesnut color. Dyes containing tannic acid will weaken certain fibers. Consider the end use before choosing your dye type. Walnut will fade with repeated washings....simply overdye it when it gets faded. If you are skeptical, do whatever pleases you.........it's your project. TOF - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:31:35 -0600 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Stirrups This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFD89B.08322DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone tell me about the Indian style stirrups that Miller shows = many of the RMFT using? 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Something in that message was dangerous and my pc would not open it. Don't fully know what that means but that was the message I was receiving a couple weeks back when we had the last "worm" scare. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:42:39 -0400 From: "Marilyn R. NIchols" <mnichols1@cinci.rr.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Red Flag Same here, McAfee stated the KAK worm. Immediately deleted it. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:27:15 -0600 From: "Ron Chamberlain" <roncham@ida.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Unknown Items Hello the list I was looking over the Trade List of John McKnight 1822 on Deans website. There is a number of items that that I don't recognize on it. Does anyone know what these items are? What are: 4 gros commercial bath rings? 1 dz knee straps? 2 M corn needles? Are the following used as medicines? 5 lbs Glauber Salts 1 dz peppermint 1/2 dz turlington 1/6 dz Opodeldoc 3/4 lbs white vitrol Thanks, Ron <(⌐┐⌐)> roncham@ida.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:43:13 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items Opodeldoc - A kind of plaster used for external injuries - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:50 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items White Vitriol - Zinc Sulfate. Don't know usasge. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:39:41 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items > White Vitriol - Zinc Sulfate. Don't know usasge. Used for burns.... Pepermint was used to settle the stomach... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:24:58 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stirrups At 08:31 PM 06/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me about the Indian style stirrups that Miller shows many of the RMFT using? > >YMOS > >WY I've got a Bob Schmit saddle with the Indian style stirrups, and I really like them. They give a wide platform, and for riding with moccasins that's really nice on the feet. Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:51:35 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Unknown Items Noah Webster's 1828 dictionary has the following entries: OPODEL'DOC, n. 1. The name of a plaster, said to have been invented by Mindererus; but = in modern usage. 2. A saponaceous camphorated liniment; a solution of soap in ardent = spirits, with the addition of camphor and essential oils. GLAUB'ER-SALT, n. Sulphate of soda, a well known cathartic. CATHARTIC, CATHARTICAL, a. Purging; cleansing the bowels; promoting evacuations by = stool; purgative. Glauber salt is similar to Epsom's salt and has the same effect, as seen = in the description. These salts are found in the surface water in some = areas and are presumed to be one of the causes of the vaguely described = illness the was the bane of wagon train immigrants .....persistent = diarrhea. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #576 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.