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hist_text-digest         Monday, June 12 2000         Volume 01 : Number 574



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Skunked !!!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals
-áááááá MtMan-List: Old Hat
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Thanks for the help
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Old Hat

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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Skunked !!!

A question about this was on the list awhile back.
 Just found this and thought I would pass it on.
grn
>
>       Skunk Encounters and Solutions
>
>
>       if ...your dog has visited a skunk and has the
> smell to prove it, the best thing is to take care of
> the smell as soon as possible. Always take time
>       when cleaning the dog and bathing to inspect
> for bites. If your dog is not vaccinated against
> rabies he should be, if there is a bite or wound
>       your dogs injury should be evaluated by the
> vet. they may choose to re- vaccinate. Also be very
> careful, you could be at risk to contract rabies
>       f your dog was bitten by a rabid skunk and his
> saliva entered your blood stream.
>       Wear gloves latex and work wear both, when
> handling the perfumed pooch.
>       Solution ideas...Wash your dog with his
> regular shampoo first:
>       then mix two pints of hydrogen peroxide, a
> quarter cup of baking soda and two teaspoons of dish
> soap. Work well
>       into coat, rinse his coat extremely well.
> repeat with new batch of solution as many times
> until smell has dissipated.
>       Wash your dogs eyes with saline solution. Use
> solutions available for contacts.
>       If the dog's eyes continue to be irritated,
> blurred or your dog is having problems with
>       vision- a vet visit is necessary.
>
>

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George R. Noe< [e-mail] >
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:51:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals

Mr. Allen,

 Thanks so much for taking the time to consider my question.  It is certainly
 intriguing.  Here's some of what I've found so far:  Stephen Long, also a
 military expedition, seems to have the journals with him.  Not mountain men,
 but certainly headed into new areas.  Wilson P. Hunt wrote a letter to his
 brother that james Ronda wrote an article about in the Filson Club Historical
 Quarterly back in 1988.  You may be familiar with that.  Hunt quotes specific
 info that he apparently gleaned directly from Lewis.  Gabriel Franchere also
 makes mention of the journals.  Warren Ferris frequently says (paraphrased)
 "we are on the exact spot where Mr. Lewis did such and such."  Ferris must
 have had the journals or an awful good memory.

 Then there's David Thompson; (this all comes from Jack Nisbet's biography of
 Thompson, _Sources of the River_, Sasquatch Books: Seattle, 1994)

 "On Dec. 11 [1807], he [Thompson] noted that he had 'Transcribed Capn
 Lewis's account of his journey to the Pacific Ocean.' This account was
 actually a long letter written by Meriwether Lewis about his expedition to
 the Pacific. Finan Macdonald must have brought it back from the
 Saskatchewan on his supply run, but no one has ever discovered how it fell
 into the hands of the North West Company. Wherever it came from, Lewis'
 letter provided information of great interest to Thompson, including a
 summary of Lewis and Clark's route up the Missouri River, across the
 Rockies, and down to the Pacific. From the account Thompson would have
 learned that the lower Columbia beyond the mouth of the Snake River was
 navigable." (Nisbet, 106) Thompson was at Kootenae House at this time.

 In June 1810, Alexander Henry the Yonger was Thompson's host at New White
 Mud House (near modern Edmonton, Alberta). Henry had Gass' journal of Lewis
 & Clark's expedition, & likely showed or loaned it to Thompson. Thompson
 made some notes from this which he took with him down the Columbia in 1811.
 (Nisbet 165, 202, 234)

 But the item of most interest and most pertinent to the question iswriten by
 Duncan Finlayson in the Edmonton House Journal.  This is taken from Morgan,
 The West of William H. Ashley, p. 44, but Morgan quoted it from A.P.
 Nasatir, "The International Significance of the Jones & Immell Massacre and
 the Aricara Outbreak of 1823," Pacific Northest Quarterly 30 (1939): 77-108.

 March 16, 1824
 "Mess [Patrick] Small & [George] Deschambault finished trading with the
 Blood Indians--they brought principally Beavers & Robes--They have brought
 us some more trophies of their victory over the unfortunate Americans with
 whom they fought last Summer, such as Rifles, the first Volume of the
 Arabian Nights, Lewis & Clarke's travels in two Volumes, and a small quarto
 marble covered book . . ."

 This is likely in reference to the men killed during the Immell and Jones
 massacre, but Henry was also hit by the Blackfeet during this time.  Either
 way, they were American trappers carrying the journals with them into the
 mountains.

 Anyway, I've rambled.  The search goes on and I appreciate your input!

 Jim Hardee

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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:15:52 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals

On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana

Do you know the location of the Immell and Jones "massacre"?

 But the item of most interest and most pertinent to the question iswriten
by
 Duncan Finlayson in the Edmonton House Journal.  This is taken from Morgan,
 The West of William H. Ashley, p. 44, but Morgan quoted it from A.P.
 Nasatir, "The International Significance of the Jones & Immell Massacre and
 the Aricara Outbreak of 1823," Pacific Northest Quarterly 30 (1939):
77-108.

 March 16, 1824
 "Mess [Patrick] Small & [George] Deschambault finished trading with the
 Blood Indians--they brought principally Beavers & Robes--They have brought
 us some more trophies of their victory over the unfortunate Americans with
 whom they fought last Summer, such as Rifles, the first Volume of the
 Arabian Nights, Lewis & Clarke's travels in two Volumes, and a small quarto
 marble covered book . . ."

 This is likely in reference to the men killed during the Immell and Jones
 massacre, but Henry was also hit by the Blackfeet during this time.  Either
 way, they were American trappers carrying the journals with them into the
 mountains.

 Anyway, I've rambled.  The search goes on and I appreciate your input!

 Jim Hardee

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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:25:22 -0400
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Hat

Anyone have suggestions on reshaping a tired old hat which
has sagged to funnel shape, or should I just break down and
replace it?

Tom


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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:04:39 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Thanks for the help

A year or so back I asked the list for help in finding a particular book
and several folks offered suggestions.   I would like to thank them
collectively for their assistance.

I can now report that I have finally found a copy, which has some wonderful
stuff in it, which has raised a new question as one item I remembered being
depicted in it -- isn't there -- so there is now another book I'm looking
for without a clue.

The one I finally found is:
Joseph Smith Explanation or Key to the Various Manufactories of Sheffield.

It is a 1975 EAIA reprint of the original 1816.  It is a book of engravings
of all kinds of hardware made in Sheffield at the time.

It was a publication used for ordering and stocking stores, trading posts,
forts and factories, et al, with the products of Sheffield.  Letters are
included between Smith (the engraver) and Peter Stubbs (one of the tool
makers) who's work was pictured but not individually identified, amongst
other correspondence.  The work was prepared from the Sheffield Library
copy and compared to the WInterthur edition.  It includes a reproduction of
the order for the printing of 50 copies signed by Joseph Smith.

It includes some prices on a partial list from a few years later.  The
price listings are thought to be from between 1825 and 1841.  The price
list in the Sheffield copy corresponds to some prices which are handwritten
in the Winterthur copy.

Knives, hammers, files, hoes, machetes, shovels, scissors and shears, drill
bits, bill hooks, axes, knives of wide profusion, plane irons, chisels,
saws, the tools that built the tools that built the industrial revolution.

The abundant variety of pocket knives is one of the more surprising
finds.   There are many styles of multi-blade and combination tools pictured.

There are two Slot Knives shown.  One is the knife and fork that slip apart
to form individual tools.  Also shown is the alternate version where a
spoon opens opposite the fork end.

I'm equally surprised at what's not shown in fine saws, block knives and a
few other notable exclusions of tools I've seen, used and owned that were
made in Sheffield back then.  Maybe not everyone contributed to the
engravers upkeep?  Not a certainty as at least one tool that comes to mind
was made by Peter Stubbs before and long after 1816.  A very interesting book.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john [e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:51:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: references to Lewis and Clark journals

Walt,

According to John Sunder in "Joshua Pilcher, Fur Trader and Indain Agent,"
(University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, 1968, p. 40) the massacre occurred on
May 31, 1823.  Immel and Jones had camped with a party of about 38 Blackfeet
while on the Jefferson River, in the three Forks area.  Immel and Jones
didn't trust them and the next morning, they made haste for a post previously
established on the Yellowstone River at the mouth of the Bighorn.  Several
days later, in a ravine, along a narrow trail, near Pryor's Fork the trappers
were ambushed.  Survivors fled across the Yellowstone to the safety of a Crow
village.

That's the best I can do for you but you might also try to locate a copy of
the Pacific Northwest Quarterly, Vol. XXX (Jan. 1939) which contains an
article by A.P. Nasatir titled "The International Significance of the Jones
and Immel Massacre and of the Aricara Outbreak of 1823."  That article my
provide a more exact location.

Jim Hardee
P.O. box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:24:32 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Old Hat

Gee, a lot of people would value that "tired old hat" as a memento of much
time in the sun and rain. My hat is the first thing I bought and has
outlasted several outfits, many outings, and a few wrecks. However, the felt
can be reshaped with heat and moisture, which will soften the glue holding
the fibers. You may need to improvise something in the shape of your head to
hold the crown steady while you flatten the brim (hatmakers have an
adjustable device for this purpose). Presumably it will tend to return to
the funnel shape after more hard use. This must have been a fact of life in
the old days too. Best of luck
Pat Quilter

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From: tom roberts [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:25 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Hat


Anyone have suggestions on reshaping a tired old hat which
has sagged to funnel shape, or should I just break down and
replace it?

Tom


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