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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #568
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hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 568
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Virus
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Virus
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Virus
-áááááá MtMan-List: gone under???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Virus
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men fishing?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men Fishing
-áááááá MtMan-List: Dutch ovens
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:28:56 -0400
From: "Marilyn R. NIchols" <mnichols1@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Virus
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If anyone on the list knows the name of the virus that we received last =
night please reply to me as soon as possible. One of the long time =
members of this list has been affected with the virus and needs the name =
in hopes that his system can be saved. Thanks.
Marilyn
mnichols1@cinci.rr.com
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Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Marilyn</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:44:21 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
Bill and Ole,
Keep in mind, you can cook on a stick, but it's hard to mend those rifle
locks and beaver traps without a anvil.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Cunningham <bcunningham@gwe.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
Ole, I believe Blacksmith Fork got it's name well after the fur trade
period. Of course, there was a rendezvous during the trade just to the north
of the canyon mouth by what the pioneers called White Rock.
Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ole B. Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>Capt"
>Not Even!
>Just making a statement as to what they would and could have hauled in on
>horse back or by cart.
>An anvil would weigh from 60 to 150 pounds and there are journals that
>memtion them being hauled into the mountain's. On that note they could have
>hauled 20 pots made of cast iron to equal one 120 pound anvil. It's amazing
>to me what they hauled in.
>If I were traping and trading for beaver I would haul in all sorts of goods
>for trade including cast iron.
>Ole # 718
>----------
>>From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
>>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>>Date: Tue, May 30, 2000, 6:14 PM
>>
>
>>Ole,
>>
>>Mind if I wonder a bit about the thought process here a little? <G> I
>>presume that you are suggesting the idea that the anvil was made into cast
>>iron pots?
>>
>>>From what little I know about cast iron foundry work, it is a very
>>specialized process that requires not only special equipment in the form
of
>>a smelter but also just the right fuels to get the metal to melt and pour,
>>etc. not to mention the special sands and molds that would be required.
>>
>>I would respectfully submit that such would not have been even remotely
>>possible anywhere west of the Great River during that time. Only
supposition
>>on my part but I think that is correct. I remain.....
>>
>>YMOS
>>Capt. Lahti'
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
>>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>>
>>
>>> Jerry,
>>> Just came back from Cache Valley Rendezvous (Park and Drop) it was held
up
>>> Black Smiths Fork south east of Logan Utah (Willow Valley) Why is it
>>called
>>> Black Smiths Fork?
>>> 120 lb Anvil= 20 Cast Iron pots/keatles ? ya think, maybe
>>> Ole # 718
>>> ----------
>>> >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net>
>>> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate
>>> >Date: Sat, May 27, 2000, 10:23 PM
>>> >
>>>
>>> >Well looks like you guys want to get into the Dutch Oven authenticity
>>stuff
>>> >again. Maybe you should think about logic also.
>>> >
>>> >I've said this before (and let me make it clear that this is ONLY my
>>> >opinion) but what would an average mountaineer have carried? A Dutch
>>Oven,
>>> >a brazier or any other kind of heavy shit like that? Well if I were
>>there
>>> >back then, that would be the last thing I would carry with me. Sure
some
>>of
>>> >it was out there and available during the time period, but so was a
>>> >submarine, hot air balloon and a bunch of other stuff that would not be
>>> >appropriate in the mountains.
>>> >
>>> >My view is, just because you can document something only proves it was
>>> >there, not that it was common. I can document a lot of stuff that
>>William
>>> >Drummond Stewart took to Rendezvous in 1837. Does it mean if everyone
>>wants
>>> >to have something at Rendezvous that he brought, which was uncommon, it
>>> >would be OK? Only if you think it would be OK for half the people at
>>> >Rendezvous to portray Stewart.
>>> >
>>> >I cook with stuff as simple as possible. That means with sticks over
the
>>> >fire, a small tin boiler and maybe a small folding steel frying pan. I
>>also
>>> >bring as little as possible. I've learned that less is more and my
horse
>>> >agrees.
>>> >
>>> >Just my 2 cents.
>>> >
>>> >Best Regards,
>>> >
>>> >Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________________
__
>>_____
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>No Sir,
>>> >>
>>> >>The facts have already been established once and for all by the Fort
>>Union
>>> >>Trading Post. Cast iron artifacts of both types were present in the
>>> >>mountain man period.
>>> >>Walt
>>> >>Park City, Montana
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> You guys aren't really serious about starting round
>>> >>> two of the dutch oven debacle, are you???
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tom
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:45:26 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Virus
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Here is the virus that was sent... hope it helps everyone... This was =
from my Norton Log...
Ad Miller
Date: 5/29/00, Time: 21:00:00, Default on 12345
The file
C:\windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\kak.hta
was infected with the WScript.KakWorm virus.
The file was deleted.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marilyn R. NIchols=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Virus
If anyone on the list knows the name of the virus that we received =
last night please reply to me as soon as possible. One of the long time =
members of this list has been affected with the virus and needs the name =
in hopes that his system can be saved. Thanks.
Marilyn
mnichols1@cinci.rr.com
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<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the virus that was sent... hope =
it helps=20
everyone... This was from my Norton Log...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ad Miller</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>Date: 5/29/00, Time: 21:00:00, Default on =
12345</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>The file</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>C:\windows\Start =
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<P><FONT size=3D4>was infected with the WScript.KakWorm =
virus.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>The file was deleted.</FONT></P></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mnichols1@cinci.rr.com" =
title=3Dmnichols1@cinci.rr.com>Marilyn=20
R. NIchols</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 30, 2000 =
10:28=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
Virus</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>If anyone on the list knows the name =
of the=20
virus that we received last night please reply to me as soon as=20
possible. One of the long time members of this list has been =
affected=20
with the virus and needs the name in hopes that his system can be =
saved. =20
Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Marilyn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><A=20
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:49:35 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Virus
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According to Norton, it only affects documents, and is passed via emails =
without the sender knowing it. It is a common virus,but is not supposed =
to be "lethal"..
Ad Miller
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marilyn R. NIchols=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Virus
If anyone on the list knows the name of the virus that we received =
last night please reply to me as soon as possible. One of the long time =
members of this list has been affected with the virus and needs the name =
in hopes that his system can be saved. Thanks.
Marilyn
mnichols1@cinci.rr.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>According to Norton, it only affects =
documents, and=20
is passed via emails without the sender knowing it. It is a common =
virus,but is=20
not supposed to be "lethal"..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ad Miller</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mnichols1@cinci.rr.com" =
title=3Dmnichols1@cinci.rr.com>Marilyn=20
R. NIchols</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 30, 2000 =
10:28=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
Virus</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>If anyone on the list knows the name =
of the=20
virus that we received last night please reply to me as soon as=20
possible. One of the long time members of this list has been =
affected=20
with the virus and needs the name in hopes that his system can be =
saved. =20
Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Marilyn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><A=20
=
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:57:19 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: gone under???
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Ok, here is something.
I have read numerous references to beaver tail being a "delicacy" or a =
"dainty" or some such. Until I know from first hand experience I will =
remain skeptical about how tasty beaver tail is. Seems like a beaver =
filet or a drumstick would be a more likely meal. I would appreciate =
some first hand info.
In trade here is something I do know: =20
Armadillo meat has 780 calories per pound and is dang tasty....even if =
there are some mighty peculiar bones in the little varmits. They shuck =
out of their shells very easily and the fat on their back bastes them as =
they roast before a fire. If you ever chase one into a hole he will =
grip the sides of the hole like grim death. To get him out, grab his =
tail and goose him in the belly with a ramrod. He will let got for a =
second and you can snatch him out of his hide-out. Whack him in the =
head with the poll of your hawk and let him flop for a minute or two. =
His shell is well known, but his underside is just skin and is covered =
with alien looking hairs.....make you pause and think it over before =
your put your knife to work. One word of caution....Armadillos =
sometimes carry a variety of leprosy and you shouldn't handle one if you =
have open cuts on your hands and he should be cooked "well done". =
Experts swear that the leprosy they sometimes carry (in Louisana mostly) =
isn't dangerous to humans but being careful is best.
I am not making this up. Really.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Ok, here is something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have read numerous references to beaver tail being a "delicacy" =
or a=20
"dainty" or some such. Until I know from first hand experience I =
will=20
remain skeptical about how tasty beaver tail is. Seems like a =
beaver filet=20
or a drumstick would be a more likely meal. I would appreciate =
some first=20
hand info.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>In trade here is something I do know: =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Armadillo meat has 780 calories per pound and is =
dang=20
tasty....even if there are some mighty peculiar bones in the little=20
varmits. They shuck out of their shells very easily and the fat on =
their=20
back bastes them as they roast before a fire. If you ever chase =
one into a=20
hole he will grip the sides of the hole like grim death. To get =
him out, =20
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let got=20
for a second and you can snatch him out of his hide-out. Whack him =
in the=20
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two. His shell is well known, but his underside is =
just skin=20
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over=20
before your put your knife to work. One word of =
caution....Armadillos=20
sometimes carry a variety of leprosy and you shouldn't handle one if you =
have=20
open cuts on your hands and he should be cooked "well done". =
Experts swear=20
that the leprosy they sometimes carry (in Louisana mostly) isn't =
dangerous=20
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<DIV>I am not making this up. Really.</DIV>
<DIV>YMOS</DIV>
<DIV>Lanney Ratcliff</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:35:37 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Virus
WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE LET ME (AND MAYBE THE LIST ALSO WANTS TO KNOW) WHAT
MAIL THAT 'VIRUS' WAS CONTAINED IN, IF IT WAS AN ATTACHMENT, WHAT KIND, WHAT
IT WAS CALLED, ETC. THANKS. BARNEY
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:44:43 EDT
From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men fishing?
Quotes from "A Life Wild and Perilous" by Robert M. Utley: Discussing
Robinson, Hoback and Resnor who had departed from the Astorians and made
winter camp in the vicinity of the Medicine Bows. Quote " Game continued
scarce, with the few fish that could be taken from the streams furnishing a
bare subsistance." Later, "On a hot August 20, John Hoback fished in the
Snake while his three companioons rested in the willows."
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
Ole,
Sounds like you would need a good rig and wagon or a lot of pack animals for
all that. Sounds about right to me.
Jerry #1488
________________________________________________________________________________
At 04:41 PM 05/30/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>Just came back from Cache Valley Rendezvous (Park and Drop) it was held up
>Black Smiths Fork south east of Logan Utah (Willow Valley) Why is it called
>Black Smiths Fork?
>120 lb Anvil= 20 Cast Iron pots/keatles ? ya think, maybe
>Ole # 718
>----------
>>From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net>
>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate
>>Date: Sat, May 27, 2000, 10:23 PM
>>
>
>>Well looks like you guys want to get into the Dutch Oven authenticity stuff
>>again. Maybe you should think about logic also.
>>
>>I've said this before (and let me make it clear that this is ONLY my
>>opinion) but what would an average mountaineer have carried? A Dutch Oven,
>>a brazier or any other kind of heavy shit like that? Well if I were there
>>back then, that would be the last thing I would carry with me. Sure some of
>>it was out there and available during the time period, but so was a
>>submarine, hot air balloon and a bunch of other stuff that would not be
>>appropriate in the mountains.
>>
>>My view is, just because you can document something only proves it was
>>there, not that it was common. I can document a lot of stuff that William
>>Drummond Stewart took to Rendezvous in 1837. Does it mean if everyone wants
>>to have something at Rendezvous that he brought, which was uncommon, it
>>would be OK? Only if you think it would be OK for half the people at
>>Rendezvous to portray Stewart.
>>
>>I cook with stuff as simple as possible. That means with sticks over the
>>fire, a small tin boiler and maybe a small folding steel frying pan. I also
>>bring as little as possible. I've learned that less is more and my horse
>>agrees.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>>__________________________________________________________________________
______
>>
>>
>>>No Sir,
>>>
>>>The facts have already been established once and for all by the Fort Union
>>>Trading Post. Cast iron artifacts of both types were present in the
>>>mountain man period.
>>>Walt
>>>Park City, Montana
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> You guys aren't really serious about starting round
>>>> two of the dutch oven debacle, are you???
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:09:58 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
Hello the cooking crew,
Here's an idea. An anvil is a specialized instrument, and not much else can
do the job it does. A cast iron "dutch oven" doesn't do much more than the
kettles and pots that we positively KNOW were out here.
Why would mountain men use cast iron? What can it do that sheet steel and
sheet iron kettles can't. They weren't cooking bread!
Guess I'd like to hear why they'd bring them, then we can calculate if they did.
Now if it's just convienient for today's doings that's ok, just say so, and
leave it go at that.
Allen
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:25:54 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men Fishing
Hello the list,
About fishing, in July of 1837 Osborne Russell talked about fishing at the
outlet of Jackson's Lake,
"July 4th I caught about 20 very fine salmon trout which together with fat
mutton buffaloe beef and coffee and the manner in which it was served up
constituted a dinner that ought to be considered independent even by Britons".
Page 97, Journal of a Trapper, by Osborne Russell.
Allen
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:24:24 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dutch ovens
Think I have read this book before!
Frank
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:38:54 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
Capt,
It seems to me that if I were back in those day's I would trade for plews
more than trap for them, having the local indians do the work wrather then
having to wade into a frozen stream myself. As most of the traders know, it
is hard to antisipate what will sell so you bring a lot of diferent items.
The question a while back was, why haul cast iron cooking gear to the
mountains?
To trade and to use, then use the animals that hauled the trade goods in to
haul the pelts out.
Ole # 718
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>From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>Date: Tue, May 30, 2000, 8:02 PM
>
>Ole,
>
>OK pard, got ya! Way it was worded I was thinking otherwise. I see the logic
>in your response below and don't have much trouble seeing that sort of thing
>being done either. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. <G> I
>remain.....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:52 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>
>
>> Capt"
>> Not Even!
>> Just making a statement as to what they would and could have hauled in on
>> horse back or by cart.
>> An anvil would weigh from 60 to 150 pounds and there are journals that
>> memtion them being hauled into the mountain's. On that note they could
>have
>> hauled 20 pots made of cast iron to equal one 120 pound anvil. It's
>amazing
>> to me what they hauled in.
>> If I were traping and trading for beaver I would haul in all sorts of
>goods
>> for trade including cast iron.
>> Ole # 718
>> ----------
>> >From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
>> >To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>> >Date: Tue, May 30, 2000, 6:14 PM
>> >
>>
>> >Ole,
>> >
>> >Mind if I wonder a bit about the thought process here a little? <G> I
>> >presume that you are suggesting the idea that the anvil was made into
>cast
>> >iron pots?
>> >
>> >>From what little I know about cast iron foundry work, it is a very
>> >specialized process that requires not only special equipment in the form
>of
>> >a smelter but also just the right fuels to get the metal to melt and
>pour,
>> >etc. not to mention the special sands and molds that would be required.
>> >
>> >I would respectfully submit that such would not have been even remotely
>> >possible anywhere west of the Great River during that time. Only
>supposition
>> >on my part but I think that is correct. I remain.....
>> >
>> >YMOS
>> >Capt. Lahti'
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
>> >To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:41 PM
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jerry,
>> >> Just came back from Cache Valley Rendezvous (Park and Drop) it was held
>up
>> >> Black Smiths Fork south east of Logan Utah (Willow Valley) Why is it
>> >called
>> >> Black Smiths Fork?
>> >> 120 lb Anvil= 20 Cast Iron pots/keatles ? ya think, maybe
>> >> Ole # 718
>> >> ----------
>> >> >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net>
>> >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>> >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate
>> >> >Date: Sat, May 27, 2000, 10:23 PM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >Well looks like you guys want to get into the Dutch Oven authenticity
>> >stuff
>> >> >again. Maybe you should think about logic also.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've said this before (and let me make it clear that this is ONLY my
>> >> >opinion) but what would an average mountaineer have carried? A Dutch
>> >Oven,
>> >> >a brazier or any other kind of heavy shit like that? Well if I were
>> >there
>> >> >back then, that would be the last thing I would carry with me. Sure
>some
>> >of
>> >> >it was out there and available during the time period, but so was a
>> >> >submarine, hot air balloon and a bunch of other stuff that would not
>be
>> >> >appropriate in the mountains.
>> >> >
>> >> >My view is, just because you can document something only proves it was
>> >> >there, not that it was common. I can document a lot of stuff that
>> >William
>> >> >Drummond Stewart took to Rendezvous in 1837. Does it mean if everyone
>> >wants
>> >> >to have something at Rendezvous that he brought, which was uncommon,
>it
>> >> >would be OK? Only if you think it would be OK for half the people at
>> >> >Rendezvous to portray Stewart.
>> >> >
>> >> >I cook with stuff as simple as possible. That means with sticks over
>the
>> >> >fire, a small tin boiler and maybe a small folding steel frying pan.
>I
>> >also
>> >> >bring as little as possible. I've learned that less is more and my ho
>rse
>> >> >agrees.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just my 2 cents.
>> >> >
>> >> >Best Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>> >>
>>
>>>__________________________________________________________________________
>_
>> >_____
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>No Sir,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The facts have already been established once and for all by the Fort
>> >Union
>> >> >>Trading Post. Cast iron artifacts of both types were present in the
>> >> >>mountain man period.
>> >> >>Walt
>> >> >>Park City, Montana
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> You guys aren't really serious about starting round
>> >> >>> two of the dutch oven debacle, are you???
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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