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hist_text-digest         Tuesday, May 23 2000         Volume 01 : Number 557



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: ticks
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark's lead and powder
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:  daily caches
-áááááá MtMan-List: English sporters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:  daily caches
-áááááá MtMan-List: PVLR's "Walk in the Woods"
-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin
-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin
-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: English sporters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: English sporters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: English sporters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: PVLR's "Walk in the Woods"
-áááááá MtMan-List: PVLR
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ticks
-áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Man Exhibits and Museums ... I'm on a trip
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: English sporters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:03:33 -0500
From: "Matthew Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: ticks

To all,
    Here is some tick info from Arkansas Game and Fish Commission.  I don't
know how it applies to you all in the nothern states.

http://www.agfc.com/whatsnew/ark_outdoors/980701.htm

YMHS
Matt Porter


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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark's lead and powder

Per L+C Journals, Gary E. Moulton, Editor, Volume 6:

[Lewis] Saturday February 1st, 1806,  (p.265).

[Clark] Saturday February 1st, 1806,
(p.272).


"today we opened and examined all our ammunition, which had been secured
in leaden canesters.  we found 27 of the best rifle powder, 4 of common
rifle, 3 of glaized, and one of the musqut powder in good order ...
these cannesters contain 4 lbs. of powder each and <contain> 8 of lead."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from Michigan
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1980 17:10:07 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  daily caches

Dave Kanger <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>In Canada, robbing another man's cache was a crime punishable by death if
you
were caught.  This was true until recent times, and may still be true today
in the more wild parts of that country.  Caches were made for survival
situations, so a man always knew where to go if he lost his food, or his
canoe dumped, etc.
Perhaps Angella is more familiar with the laws as they exist today.<<

Darn right! I had to shoot a guy last week--caught him robbing the cache
I'd made outside my igloo. Drilled him, too, but the Mounties didn't seem
interested when I reported it. Said I was clearly within my rights.

By the way, don't let the good exchange rate fool you into coming to Canada
for your holidays. You'll only get attacked by blackflies, skunks, and
grizzlies. The Canadian Rockies are overrated, and Canadians are surly.
Since the Mounties  wear scarlet tunics and ride horses, they can't catch
modern crooks, so crime is rampant. Stay home, you'll be safer and have
more fun.

Your humble & obedient servant in the first nation of hockey,
Angela Gottfred

P.S. Seriously, folks, Canada hasn't had the death penalty for about 30
years.

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:06:12 -0600
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: English sporters

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I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and =
hunted in the West , is there any record of the firearms these men =
used.?

"While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe Mantons".... =
these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum =
centre"....One of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the pound viz a =
ball nearly an inch in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ Miller written =
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:31:07 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  daily caches

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From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: May 21, 2000 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: daily caches


Angela wrote:

>>and Canadians are surly.>>

I don't believe it. Blackflies, grizzlies, and skunks yes, but surly
canadians? You have to be pulling my leg.

>>Seriously, folks, Canada hasn't had the death penalty for about 30
years.>>

Maybe this is what has led to the rampant crime you describe.<G>

northwoods



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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: PVLR's "Walk in the Woods"

Hallo the List,

Before the Great Capt Lahti gets on, and distorts the story somewhat, I' d
like to mention that he, and fellow AMM member Jerry "Crawdad" Frank, took
two rank pilgrims, to a first place finish in PVLR's "Walk in the Woods".
While it's true that Magpie (me) and Old John did some right fine shootin,
killin our share of hostiles, startin the fire 1st (me), and took a couple
round balls, (Old John dyin of his wounds before we got to the fort) we never
would have made it, without their skill and daring. Capt Lahti and
Crawdad....you boys did good!

Ymos,
Magpie (or Stinkin Water Steve) <G>

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:54:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin

Ole  Some trapping parties did not even carry any tools to make a cache with.
In Ferris's Life in the Rocky Mountains page 184. When they went to buried
Frasier a trapper that had been killed by Blackfeet the only tools they had
to dig his grave with was an ax and a frying pan. Not the type of tools I
would want to dig a cache with.  What type of trappers are we talking about
here be it free trappers or company trappers. For a company trapper went with
a brigade that would supply him with what he needed and would keep a tally of
what he owed. If he ever wanted to be come a free trapper he had better keep
his needs at a minimum and his traps full. For him caches were made as a
brigade what things they did not want to pack around such as extra lead,
powder, maybe a blacksmithing forge, horse shoes, and what not. After the
fall hunt an another cache was made with the furs that had been taken and the
other cache rased to go in to winter with, if it had not been robed. For a
free trapper it was much the same only he owed nothing to the brigade or the
company as it were and went where wanted but some times still went with the
brigade for the protection of the larger numbers. When it came to making
caches he and his trapping partners made them to gather for very few went
totally out on three on hook If they wanted to keep there hair. The idea of a
day cache for a rocky mountain trapper did not happen there was no need. For
they all ways had a camp tender or two to take care of the pack horses and
camp. He travailed light when he went to set traps for a description read
Osborne Russell's out fit of a trapper on page 82. That is all they took to
go on a three day trap away from the main camp. What I find interesting was
he made no mention of taking any type of cooking pots or food at all.
                                        Some thoughts from
                                         the Cyot

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:13:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin

three on a hook?  OK - out on their own hook
     what can I say oops.

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 06:44:42 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: trappin & packin & cachin

Cracy,
Exactly!
Who said Cyot's can't write. We have nothing to disagree about, sept maybe
the pot's.
YMOHS
Ole
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>Date: Mon, May 22, 2000, 12:54 AM
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>Ole  Some trapping parties did not even carry any tools to make a cache with.
>In Ferris's Life in the Rocky Mountains page 184. When they went to buried
>Frasier a trapper that had been killed by Blackfeet the only tools they had
>to dig his grave with was an ax and a frying pan. Not the type of tools I
>would want to dig a cache with.  What type of trappers are we talking about
>here be it free trappers or company trappers. For a company trapper went with
>a brigade that would supply him with what he needed and would keep a tally of
>what he owed. If he ever wanted to be come a free trapper he had better keep
>his needs at a minimum and his traps full. For him caches were made as a
>brigade what things they did not want to pack around such as extra lead,
>powder, maybe a blacksmithing forge, horse shoes, and what not. After the
>fall hunt an another cache was made with the furs that had been taken and the
>other cache rased to go in to winter with, if it had not been robed. For a
>free trapper it was much the same only he owed nothing to the brigade or the
>company as it were and went where wanted but some times still went with the
>brigade for the protection of the larger numbers. When it came to making
>caches he and his trapping partners made them to gather for very few went
>totally out on three on hook If they wanted to keep there hair. The idea of a
>day cache for a rocky mountain trapper did not happen there was no need. For
>they all ways had a camp tender or two to take care of the pack horses and
>camp. He travailed light when he went to set traps for a description read
>Osborne Russell's out fit of a trapper on page 82. That is all they took to
>go on a three day trap away from the main camp. What I find interesting was
>he made no mention of taking any type of cooking pots or food at all.
>                                        Some thoughts from
>                                         the Cyot
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:12:55 -0400
From: manbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

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According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart had 2 Mantons with
him in 1833.
Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to the
Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he had
finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into
momentary immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened
since it was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items
therefrom, and appeared before his companions wearing a white leather
hunting jacket with innumerable pockets and a pair of snug trousers
known in Scotland as trews, made of the green, royal blue, red and
yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all fashioned by a London tailor.
On his head rested a Panama hat of the finest texture...."
And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to a rendezvous...G

Alba go Brau
MacManbear

Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:

> I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and
> hunted in the West , is there any record of the firearms these men
> used.?
>
> "While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe
> Mantons".... these guns were famous in their day for shooting
> ...."plum centre"....One of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the
> pound viz a ball nearly an inch in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ
> Miller written sometime after 1837)

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<font size=+1>According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart
had 2 Mantons with him in 1833.</font>
<br><font size=+1>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore
to the Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he
had finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into momentary
immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened since it
was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and appeared
before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket with innumerable
pockets and a pair of snug trousers known in Scotland as trews, made of
the green, royal blue, red and yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all
fashioned by a London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of
the finest texture...."</font>
<br><font size=+1>And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to
a rendezvous...G</font><font size=+1></font>
<p><font size=+1>Alba go Brau</font>
<br><font size=+1>MacManbear</font>
<p>Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
I know that English "Sporting Gents"
attended various Rendezvous and hunted in the West , is there any record
of the firearms these men used.?
<p>"While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe Mantons"....
these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum centre"....One
of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the pound viz a ball nearly an inch
in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ Miller written sometime after 1837)</blockquote>

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:21:02 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

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I understand why you got weird looks on your skirt.  Stewart didn't wear =
kilts at rendezvous but plaid trousers as per your note. =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: manbear=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:12 AM
  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters


  According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart had 2 Mantons =
with him in 1833.=20
  Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to the =
Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he had =
finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into =
momentary immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened =
since it was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items =
therefrom, and appeared before his companions wearing a white leather =
hunting jacket with innumerable pockets and a pair of snug trousers =
known in Scotland as trews, made of the green, royal blue, red and =
yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all fashioned by a London tailor.  =
On his head rested a Panama hat of the finest texture...."=20
  And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to a =
rendezvous...G=20
  Alba go Brau=20
  MacManbear=20

  Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:=20

    I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and =
hunted in the West , is there any record of the firearms these men =
used.?=20
    "While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe =
Mantons".... these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum =
centre"....One of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the pound viz a =
ball nearly an inch in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ Miller written =
sometime after 1837)


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  sporters</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D+1>According to the book "Scotsman in=20
  Buckskin"  Stewart had 2 Mantons with him in 1833.</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D+1>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to =
the=20
  Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he had =
finished=20
  his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into momentary=20
  immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened since =
it was=20
  lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and =
appeared=20
  before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket with =
innumerable=20
  pockets and a pair of snug trousers known in Scotland as trews, made =
of the=20
  green, royal blue, red and yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all =
fashioned=20
  by a London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of the =
finest=20
  texture...."</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D+1>And I thought I got looks when =
I first=20
  wore my Kilt to a rendezvous...G</FONT><FONT size=3D+1></FONT>=20
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    I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and =
hunted=20
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    <P>"While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe =
Mantons"....=20
    these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum =
centre"....One of=20
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inch in=20
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:13:58 -0400
From: manbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

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Aye Lad, 'tis true, but did ye ever see a fat Scotsman in trews?  'Tis
not a pretty sight.  Also I don't take umberage at the fact ye called it
a skirt since an old dictionary I have defines a kilt as a Scottish
Gentleman's Skirt.  So, I guess that by calling it a skirt ye be calling
me a gentleman for which I doff my balmoral tae ye.

Alba Go Brau

Manbear

Larry Huber wrote:

>  I understand why you got weird looks on your skirt.  Stewart didn't
> wear kilts at rendezvous but plaid trousers as per your note.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: manbear
>      To: [e-mail]
>      Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:12 AM
>      Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters
>       According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart had 2
>      Mantons with him in 1833.
>      Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to
>      the Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance,
>      when he had finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even
>      Campbell, into momentary immobility.  Having secured his
>      pack of clothing, unopened since it was lashed shut in St.
>      Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and appeared
>      before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket
>      with innumerable pockets and a pair of snug trousers known
>      in Scotland as trews, made of the green, royal blue, red and
>      yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all fashioned by a
>      London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of the
>      finest texture...."
>      And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to a
>      rendezvous...G
>
>      Alba go Brau
>      MacManbear
>
>
>     >
>

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Aye Lad, 'tis true, but did ye ever see a fat Scotsman in trews?
'Tis not a pretty sight.  Also I don't take umberage at the fact ye
called it a skirt since an old dictionary I have defines a kilt as a Scottish
Gentleman's Skirt.  So, I guess that by calling it a skirt ye be calling
me a gentleman for which I doff my balmoral tae ye.
<p>Alba Go Brau
<p>Manbear
<p>Larry Huber wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I understand
why you got weird looks on your skirt.  Stewart didn't wear kilts
at rendezvous but plaid trousers as per your note.</font></font>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>

<div
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:[e-mail]" title="[e-mail]">manbear</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[e-mail]" title="[e-mail]">[e-mail]</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 22, 2000 8:12 AM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: MtMan-List: English sporters</div>
 <font size=+1>According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"
Stewart had 2 Mantons with him in 1833.</font>
<br><font size=+1>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore
to the Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he
had finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into momentary
immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened since it
was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and appeared
before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket with innumerable
pockets and a pair of snug trousers known in Scotland as trews, made of
the green, royal blue, red and yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all
fashioned by a London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of
the finest texture...."</font>
<br><font size=+1>And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to
a rendezvous...G</font>
<p><font size=+1>Alba go Brau</font>
<br><font size=+1>MacManbear</font>
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:10 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: PVLR's "Walk in the Woods"

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Subject: MtMan-List: PVLR's "Walk in the Woods"


> Hallo the List,
>
> Before the Great Capt Lahti gets on, and distorts the story somewhat, I' d
> like to mention that he, and fellow AMM member Jerry "Crawdad" Frank, took
> two rank pilgrims,


Friends,

I think "Great" is too harsh a word to use. I'm not that much bigger than
"Magpie". While it is true that we finished first and only lost one man, my
contribution to this frackus was limited to keeping the blather between
those two "rank pilgrims" down to a minimum. And how they could go on about
the relative merits of this commercial lube over that commercial lube and
what brand of high tech short starter worked best, etc!  I broke at least
two willow switches getting them herded up the trail to glory.

But all in all, they did not do too bad (considering what Crawdad and I had
to work with). Such outings are fun and we did enjoy ourselves immensely, as
did all who participated. Thanks to "Old Blue" for all the work he put in.
Much appreciated.

Thank you Magpie, for your kind words. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'





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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:56:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: PVLR

Hallo the List,

Here's a note I recieved from the boys that worked so hard to put on that
show. If any of you can make it to the NW for one of these doin's, I'd
recommend it.... great fun!
Ymos,
Stinking Water Steve

<<<Dear Stinking Water Steve (may I call you Stinking, for short?),
<<<It is an annual event,<the PVLR rendezvous> usually held around the 3rd
weekend of May on the Bear Springs Ranger District of the Mt. Hood Natl.
Forest--SE flank
of Mount Hood--by the Powell Valley Long Rifles out of Gresham, OR.
Although it is not a primitive event, the club does encourage primitive
dress.  The main concern is that folks have fun and enjoy themselves.  The
camp and shooting fees are very nominal and the site is teeming with flat
spots, tall timber and plenty of free firewood.  The objective here is to
encourage other area shooters to come up and play with us--end of commercial.

On another matter:  maybe you should give a little credit to the folks that
put on the Walk in the Woods (patent pending), and tried to mess with what
little mind was in the possession of you and your team-mates.  There is no
denying that you all did remarkably well. Even considering the bad advice
provide by the Capt. it was well done.  On the other hand, you did give my
crew and I a tickle when you were searching for sticks to throw at the
grouse--all while standing practically on top of a pile of throwing sized
rocks thoughtfully provided by yours truly.   We did have a lot of fun
trying to provide sufficient wounds and shooting handicaps to make it
interesting for you.  All in all, it was a good camp and I would not
hesitate to let you set up next to me on the next go around.  Best, Blue>>>>>





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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:53:56 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ticks

I appreciate the information on this subject.  In central Texas, this
disease is a real problem.  Two ranchers, who own adjoining property next to
my brother, have recently become infected, and one, despite the best of
care, continues to be in and out of the hospital.  Apparently you can get
various degrees of infection, and some are long-term and quite debilitating.

Regards,  Paul
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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ticks


>
>
> > > A precaution I take is to spray my clothing and ground cloth with
> Permanone,
> > >  also called Permalyn.  It is available at Waly World in the sporitng
> goods
> > >  section
> >
> > Lest anyone be confused, I think that Permalyn is also a Birchwood Casey
> > gunstock finish, in which case you wouldn't really want to be spreading
it
> on
> > your body or hairy parts, unless of course, you were having a bad hair
> day.
> >
> >
> Maybe a word of caution is advisable here. Permanone is sprayed on your
> clothing at least several hours before going into the woods....before you
> put 'em on. Permanone kills ticks and chiggers before they can cause
> problems. Permanone is supposed to be a derivative of pyrethrum, a natural
> insecticide, and not supposed to be harmful to humans after it dries.
>
> This is good stuff. I  have used it on week long treks, with only the one
> application before leaving, and not found even
> one tick on me.  It doesn't work on mosquitoes though. Bummer.
> J.D.
>
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:43:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man Exhibits and Museums ... I'm on a trip

Gentlemen,

I am heading up to Coeur d'Alene in a couple of weeks.  We are heading out to
northeast Nevada then left and up through Boise, the Salmon River Mountains,
the Clear Water Mountains and on into Coeur d'Alene, a short trip to Glacier
and home again via eastern Oregon...

Now my question is, that's Mountain Man Country, where can I find museums and
exhibits about the Mountain Man, Fur trapping era?

Thanks for your time and suggestions...

(no name as yet)
Joe Kerley

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

Just a quick note.  To my knowledge, Stewart was not at Rendezvous (or in
our country) in 1833.  You probably meant 1837.  Just a typo (I do it all
the time.)

Best Regards,

Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
________________________________________________________________________________

At 11:12 AM 05/22/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart had 2 Mantons with
>him in 1833.
>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to the
>Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he had
>finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into
>momentary immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened
>since it was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items
>therefrom, and appeared before his companions wearing a white leather
>hunting jacket with innumerable pockets and a pair of snug trousers
>known in Scotland as trews, made of the green, royal blue, red and
>yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all fashioned by a London tailor.
>On his head rested a Panama hat of the finest texture...."
>And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to a rendezvous...G
>
>Alba go Brau
>MacManbear
>
>Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
>
>> I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and
>> hunted in the West , is there any record of the firearms these men
>> used.?
>>
>> "While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe
>> Mantons".... these guns were famous in their day for shooting
>> ...."plum centre"....One of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the
>> pound viz a ball nearly an inch in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ
>> Miller written sometime after 1837)
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
><font size=+1>According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart
>had 2 Mantons with him in 1833.</font>
><br><font size=+1>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore
>to the Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he
>had finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into momentary
>immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened since it
>was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and appeared
>before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket with innumerable
>pockets and a pair of snug trousers known in Scotland as trews, made of
>the green, royal blue, red and yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all
>fashioned by a London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of
>the finest texture...."</font>
><br><font size=+1>And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to
>a rendezvous...G</font><font size=+1></font>
><p><font size=+1>Alba go Brau</font>
><br><font size=+1>MacManbear</font>
><p>Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
>I know that English "Sporting Gents"
>attended various Rendezvous and hunted in the West , is there any record
>of the firearms these men used.?
><p>"While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe Mantons"....
>these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum centre"....One
>of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the pound viz a ball nearly an inch
>in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ Miller written sometime after
1837)</blockquote>
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:57:11 -0400
From: manbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: English sporters

All I have to go by is the aformentioned book which states that Stewart first came
to this country in 1832 after a fight with his brother and on May 7, 1833 left
Lexington, MO with Robert Campbell 's party headed west.
I've been re-enacting since the early 80's but only recently gotten into the
Scottish Mountaineers because  a part of my new wife's and my ancestry is
Scottish.  "Scotsman in Buckskin" and another book about Joe Walker are the only
sourses that I have on the subject so they are what I go by. If anyone knows of any
other sources I'd be forever in their debt.

Thanks to all on the list for teaching this old dog many new tricks in the short
time I've been here.

YMOS

Manbear (short for Man Who Has the Shadow of a Bear)

  Jerry & Barbara Zaslow wrote:

> Just a quick note.  To my knowledge, Stewart was not at Rendezvous (or in
> our country) in 1833.  You probably meant 1837.  Just a typo (I do it all
> the time.)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
> At 11:12 AM 05/22/2000 -0400, you wrote:
> >According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart had 2 Mantons with
> >him in 1833.
> >Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore to the
> >Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he had
> >finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into
> >momentary immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened
> >since it was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items
> >therefrom, and appeared before his companions wearing a white leather
> >hunting jacket with innumerable pockets and a pair of snug trousers
> >known in Scotland as trews, made of the green, royal blue, red and
> >yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all fashioned by a London tailor.
> >On his head rested a Panama hat of the finest texture...."
> >And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to a rendezvous...G
> >
> >Alba go Brau
> >MacManbear
> >
> >Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
> >
> >> I know that English "Sporting Gents" attended various Rendezvous and
> >> hunted in the West , is there any record of the firearms these men
> >> used.?
> >>
> >> "While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe
> >> Mantons".... these guns were famous in their day for shooting
> >> ...."plum centre"....One of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the
> >> pound viz a ball nearly an inch in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ
> >> Miller written sometime after 1837)
> ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> ><html>
> ><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
> ><font size=+1>According to the book "Scotsman in Buckskin"  Stewart
> >had 2 Mantons with him in 1833.</font>
> ><br><font size=+1>Something else I found interesting was what Stewart wore
> >to the Rendezvous that year, ..."Captain Stewart's appearance, when he
> >had finished his toilette, stunned all of them, even Campbell, into momentary
> >immobility.  Having secured his pack of clothing, unopened since it
> >was lashed shut in St. Louis, he donned certain items therefrom, and appeared
> >before his companions wearing a white leather hunting jacket with innumerable
> >pockets and a pair of snug trousers known in Scotland as trews, made of
> >the green, royal blue, red and yellow of the Stewart hunting plaid, all
> >fashioned by a London tailor.  On his head rested a Panama hat of
> >the finest texture...."</font>
> ><br><font size=+1>And I thought I got looks when I first wore my Kilt to
> >a rendezvous...G</font><font size=+1></font>
> ><p><font size=+1>Alba go Brau</font>
> ><br><font size=+1>MacManbear</font>
> ><p>Wynn & Gretchen Ormond wrote:
> ><blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
> >I know that English "Sporting Gents"
> >attended various Rendezvous and hunted in the West , is there any record
> >of the firearms these men used.?
> ><p>"While in London the Captain [Stewart] purchased three "Joe Mantons"....
> >these guns were famous in their day for shooting ...."plum centre"....One
> >of these guns....carrying 12 balls to the pound viz a ball nearly an inch
> >in diameter..." ( My old friend AJ Miller written sometime after
> 1837)</blockquote>
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