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> Depending on the ground conditions, have read of many just shoeing the front
>feet only and using no shoes in the winter to save ice build up and accidents.
> Have done this for years with the 8-10 animals we had over a 15-18 year
>period, rocks kept the hoofs wore down on the rear and took very little
>trimming, plus with this number of horses it sure saved on shoeing bills every
>6-7 weeks.
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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:44:42 +1200
From: Duncan Macready <Duncanm@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: priming horn
I have a powder horn and priming horn which date to a British ship from=20
1784, The priming horn has a lever operated sheet brass spout like the one=
=20
on the horn offered by JPGunstocks. It is about 6" long and only 1=BC" at=
the=20
base ,which is also made of sheet brass ,broad arrow marked which means it=
=20
was govt issue. It also has 2 small brass staples for a strap. .I always=20
thought it could have been a cannon primer or maybe for priming a bess. I=20
know that they usually primed from the paper cartridge but what about=20
priming a gun which has had a missfire / flash in the pan or simply had=20
the priming blown away when the frizzen was opened. I still use this=20
priming horn and it is a lot easier to use than one with a plug in the=
spout.
YMOS
Cutfinger
Friendships made,Problems shared
Campfires across the wilderness.
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:11:17 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powder "horns?"(flask or can)
I believe what you say has merit. But consider that a rocket motor is in a
dust free environment. Its contents are powdered aluminum, nitro, black
powder, and a few other nasty ingredients. No electricity. The materials
bound by a polymer. The floor is spotless. The air filtered. Yet a static
spark can set the thing off.
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From: ThisOldFox@aol.com <ThisOldFox@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powder "horns?"(flask or can)
>> With all due respect, I have to disagree about static electricity. I lost
>> five friends at a rocket motor factory because of a static discharge. I
>have
>> another good friend who was burned horribly when a man on the crew
touched
>a
>> loaded motor and a static spark jumped from him to the propellant and it
>> went off, killing
>
>Bill,
>There is no disagreement. You just didn't read what I wrote carefully.
>Static electricity WILL set off dust and fumes.
>It WILL NOT ignite black powder.
>
>The accident you described above involved an electric motor and high
>amperage, as well as a highly volatile fuel. This incident involved a
spark
>passing through air, wherein the fuel is suspended in the air and at it's
>maximum stoichiometric mixture.
>
>Black powder by itself is relatively stable and the same conditions
>described do not apply.
>
>You cannot summarily group all instances in the same category.
>
>Dave
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:20:58 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powder "horns?"(flask or can)fllash point
Hallo the List,
Capt Lahti (retired Fire Chief!) does know his stuff, but I think we're talking about the same thing. Throw matches all day long at a lump of coal and not a problem, but do it to coal dust (read black powder dust in a powder horn) and kiss your...ah...friends good by. I yeild to the Capt... (they won't torch the tipi cause I hid the whiskey in there!)
Ymos,
Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:35:36 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn]
I agree with the cache part of this message. A Mountain Man on horseback,
carrying a year's supply of goods with him would certainly cache it before
setting about his daily routine. However, it would be a very short sighted
(and short-lived) trapper who believed he only needed to carry with him what
he needed for the day. He'd be assuming he'd be able to make it back to his
cache by nightfall. I submit that a long-lived Mountain Man carried with
him daily the minimum he'd need to survive away from camp on an extended
basis. He's hunting in hostile territory where grizzlies and blackfeet may
actively object to his poaching there. He would be foolish to assume he
could safely make it back to camp. No, I submit that he would be packing a
large horn filled with a considerable supply of powder. A horn of the size
depicted by Alfred Jacob Miller in his sketches. Also, he'd carry lead or
cast balls that would match the amount of powder in the horn. His blankets
may be on his horse, but his possibles bag was near at hand not back at
camp.
I believe that day or hunting horns were frequently carried...but in more
civilized areas. Near settlements of close lying farms or villages. This
was a rural society for years and a farmer only needed to step a few hundred
yards away from the house to acquire game. Many of the surviving examples
of horns and guns fall into this category because they were passed down
within the family and the practice they were designed for was also passed
down. In the scope of American History the time of the Mountain Man was a
short one and his kind developed survival techniques unique to them. His
camp wasn't his home, it was his base of operations and his "back-up" supply
depot. The Mountains were his home. What he needed, he carried.
Respectfully,
Larry Huber
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From: Concho Smith <conchosmith@netscape.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn]
hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
guys---
I personally feel that the mountain men would set up a base camp to hunt
or trap out of and would casha that stuff not needed on a daly
basis---then would use a small day horn or like system(whatever you call
it) to get fresh meat or to run the traplines and food seeking
trecks---its a lot better to loose a small amount of important stuff than
the whole load of it---just my humbel opinion of course---hope I have
made my point---
Your idea Hawk is hitting the nail right on head, and the way that Curly G.,
Charley Hanson and Vern Bigsby at a conference in the early 80's saw it
also,
the trapper would setup a base camp, a cache (incase the camp was
discovered)
and carry just what was needed for a day or two - when away from camp. One
good point was powder, he wouldn't carry all his powder in a large horn,
what
if it got wet ot worst yet lost - stolen - etc., same goes with having all
his
gear with him. They made a good point in there thinking and what they had
