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hist_text-digest        Thursday, May 11 2000        Volume 01 : Number 545



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gourds
-áááááá MtMan-List: New to list
-áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:00:35 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: New to list
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: How to make friends and influence people.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tracking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: western rendezvous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:53:48 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Hey, Randy,
    I never tried this but it makes sense.  I know that all military muskets
were primed from the same powder as the main charge.  I suspect that the
touch holes were a bit larger, however.  I might give the single powder a
test on my .54 but I think I'll carry a 4F primer with my trade gun.  I burn
2F in that 20 gauge gun.

    Larry Huber
    #1517
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


> Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
> priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
> historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming horn
> though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
> can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre <g>.
>  My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who shoots
> one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there advice.
> I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    hardtack
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:42:04 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

D Miles wrote:

> Damn Bill... Mebby I need to charge more...Wanna buy a knife???<G>
> I don't skin folks too bad, unless of course they piss me off...<BSEG>
> D
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>   "Knowing how is just the beginning"
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:46:43 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds

[e-mail] wrote:

> Walt,
>
> You stated that...........
> > is based on the 1836/1836 camp of Jim Bridger and is late enough in the
> period to be represented.  Gourds would not have been present in the initial
> years 1807-1825.
>         [Sickler, Louis L]
>         Can you tell us why?? Just curious.
>
>         Lou Sickler
>         Colorado Territory

before making a statement about gourds in this country, better take a look at
Jefferson's Garden Book, his garden was way before the dates quoted, and he
did a lot of seed trading east of the Mississippi.

Buck


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:52:14 -0600
From: "elenyte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: New to list

Hi,
I'm new to the list and am interested in sewing clothing for my husband and
I for mountain man impression. I'd like to chat with other folks on the list
who are doing the same so that I can locate patterns or instructions and
also learn to do this "right". I live just west of Denver.

Helen


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:00:04 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:00:35 -0500

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There have been a lot of harsh words exchanged in the past few days and =
that, in itself, is OK.  We enter this cyber-arena with the willingness =
to agree to disagree, even argue...vehemently sometimes...about nearly =
anything,  giving and taking insults as the spirit moves us.  However, =
it is unfortunate that hot tempers can cause otherwise reasonable people =
to use some seriously pejorative words. =20
Words have meaning, and the words we choose to use can sometimes have an =
impact that was unintended.  I can't let pass without comment the use of =
"nazi".  It is a mistake to consider taking offense at the use of this =
word to be "being politically correct".  Since tens of millions of =
people were killed by nazis and the world very nearly destroyed by nazis =
and since my father died as a direct result of five nazi bullets I count =
that as the worst possible insult...by far.  It is absolutely offensive =
to me and should be to anyone else.
I am proud to be AMM and I try to keep a proper camp and carry and use =
proper plunder.  I try to improve my gear and will offer advice when =
asked.   This is the attitude of the vast majority of AMM brothers, =
including Dennis Miles and Larry Pendleton.  These good friends of mine =
were called nazis during the recent flame war, and that is shameful, =
simply shameful.  The language is full of better choices.
I was not a part of that flame war and I was not called a nazi.  That's =
good...nobody should ever be called a nazi.   Call me loud, talkative, =
pompous, boring, fat, anything.....but never, ever nazi.  God help =
anybody who ever does.
That is Exactly how my stick floats.
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:03:35 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Larry,
You should try 3f in the trade gun.  I use about 70 grains of 3f under a =
ball or shot and prime from the same horn.  Works good.  Of course, a =
larger charge can be used, but this works fine in my .62 for target =
work.
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


> Hey, Randy,
>     I never tried this but it makes sense.  I know that all military =
muskets
> were primed from the same powder as the main charge.  I suspect that =
the
> touch holes were a bit larger, however.  I might give the single =
powder a
> test on my .54 but I think I'll carry a 4F primer with my trade gun.  =
I burn
> 2F in that 20 gauge gun.
>=20
>     Larry Huber
>     #1517
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
>=20
>=20
> > Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
> > priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
> > historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming =
horn
> > though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
> > can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre =
<g>.
> >  My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who =
shoots
> > one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there =
advice.
> > I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    =
hardtack
> >
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> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:59:12 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage

D Miles wrote:

> HE also forgot the bunny slippers.... But I stole 'em from his camp.. He
> said he bought 'em from some outfit called Clark & Son's....<G>
>

They where a close-out item that the young ladies liked.

C&SM



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:19:52 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Lanney,
  I'll try that in the future.  I got a deal on a bunch of 2f.  I try to use
what I have.  I prime with what ever I have in the main horn.  Works for me.
Of course I can't hit anything anyway.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


Larry,
You should try 3f in the trade gun.  I use about 70 grains of 3f under a
ball or shot and prime from the same horn.  Works good.  Of course, a larger
charge can be used, but this works fine in my .62 for target work.
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


> Hey, Randy,
>     I never tried this but it makes sense.  I know that all military
muskets
> were primed from the same powder as the main charge.  I suspect that the
> touch holes were a bit larger, however.  I might give the single powder a
> test on my .54 but I think I'll carry a 4F primer with my trade gun.  I
burn
> 2F in that 20 gauge gun.
>
>     Larry Huber
>     #1517
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
>
>
> > Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
> > priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
> > historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming
horn
> > though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
> > can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre <g>.
> >  My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who shoots
> > one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there advice.
> > I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    hardtack
> >
> > ----------------------
> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:51:48 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

OOOOPS !  Lanney was responding to a different Larry.  Oh well !
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


Lanney,
  I'll try that in the future.  I got a deal on a bunch of 2f.  I try to use
what I have.  I prime with what ever I have in the main horn.  Works for me.
Of course I can't hit anything anyway.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


Larry,
You should try 3f in the trade gun.  I use about 70 grains of 3f under a
ball or shot and prime from the same horn.  Works good.  Of course, a larger
charge can be used, but this works fine in my .62 for target work.
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not


> Hey, Randy,
>     I never tried this but it makes sense.  I know that all military
muskets
> were primed from the same powder as the main charge.  I suspect that the
> touch holes were a bit larger, however.  I might give the single powder a
> test on my .54 but I think I'll carry a 4F primer with my trade gun.  I
burn
> 2F in that 20 gauge gun.
>
>     Larry Huber
>     #1517
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
>
>
> > Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
> > priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
> > historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming
horn
> > though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
> > can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre <g>.
> >  My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who shoots
> > one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there advice.
> > I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    hardtack
> >
> > ----------------------
> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:58:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Hayden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Greetings and many humble apologies to the list. I'm sorry I used the
terms Authenticity Nazis. Bad choice of words. Really sorry. I never
intended to attack or insult anyone but was only trying to point out
that NONE of us can ever BE 100% period correct. We are raised in a
modern society and that will affect everything we do or say. All of us
start at some level and most strive to get better. But I for one am
tired of the people who DO it right, but keep that SECRET knowledge to
themselves.    Tim


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:07:13 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New to list

Helen,
    If I can help you let me know.
                                                mike.

elenyte wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to the list and am interested in sewing clothing for my husband and
> I for mountain man impression. I'd like to chat with other folks on the list
> who are doing the same so that I can locate patterns or instructions and
> also learn to do this "right". I live just west of Denver.
>
> Helen
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:14:03 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Larry,
I use 2f in my smooth bore for priming and in the main charge. Alot
depends on the size of the touch hole. You can on my gun, turn it on
it's side and knock it with your hand opposite on the touch hole and powder
will fall out of the pan. Try the 2f and see if your gun likes it. Madison
Grant's book on hunting pouches does show a few orignals that had
a small powder horn (for priming) but most seem to have only one horn
for both uses. does your gun have a liner around the touch hole?

mike.

larry pendleton wrote:

> Lanney,
>   I'll try that in the future.  I got a deal on a bunch of 2f.  I try to use
> what I have.  I prime with what ever I have in the main horn.  Works for me.
> Of course I can't hit anything anyway.
> Pendleton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
>
> Larry,
> You should try 3f in the trade gun.  I use about 70 grains of 3f under a
> ball or shot and prime from the same horn.  Works good.  Of course, a larger
> charge can be used, but this works fine in my .62 for target work.
> Lanney Ratcliff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
>
> > Hey, Randy,
> >     I never tried this but it makes sense.  I know that all military
> muskets
> > were primed from the same powder as the main charge.  I suspect that the
> > touch holes were a bit larger, however.  I might give the single powder a
> > test on my .54 but I think I'll carry a 4F primer with my trade gun.  I
> burn
> > 2F in that 20 gauge gun.
> >
> >     Larry Huber
> >     #1517
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
> >
> >
> > > Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
> > > priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
> > > historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming
> horn
> > > though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
> > > can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre <g>.
> > >  My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who shoots
> > > one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there advice.
> > > I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    hardtack
> > >
> > > ----------------------
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> > >
> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:59:23 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: How to make friends and influence people.

Washtahay-
At 12:01 PM 5/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Is anyone listening to what he is saying besides me?
>snip<
>Someone else goes to
>his defense trying to cite  the many benefits of modern medical care we
>don't leave at home and he gets his head delivered in a sheet iron pan.
    He got "his head delivered in a sheet iron pan" for suggesting that those
who felt as did Larry Pendleton did were "authenticity nazis".  As I agreed
with Larry, he was calling me a "nazi".
    Well, some things I just won't tolerate, won't let people explain, won't
give them a chance to apologize for.  He found one.
    Yeah Captain.  Some of us are listening.
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:29:44 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tracking

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Wynn,

Maybe your doing just fine. Ever consider that your 4 year old has fresh =
eyes and is built closer to the ground? <G> Look through fresh eyes and =
get close to your work. Dave Pettersen in the NW Brigade does a good =
Rocky Mt. College on Tracking utilizing the principles taught by Search =
and Rescue people who often have to find folks that don't want to be =
found. There might be a good resource for you to look into. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Wynn & Gretchen Ormond=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:44 AM
  Subject: MtMan-List: Tracking


  I read in the AMM membership requirements:

  Must be able to demonstrate ability to track man or animal under =
natural wilderness conditions.=20

  What is the test to pass such a requirement?  I started tracking deer =
and dogs in the mountains of my back yard, and about twelve years ago =
read Tom Browns books and started really looking at tracking =
differently.  But to tell the truth sometimes while riding along these =
hills my four year old will notice a track or identify an irregularity =
in a set of them before I do.  Is there somewhere/someone to go that =
could teach me more?=20
  =20
  Still Hungry
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Wynn,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Maybe your doing just fine. Ever consider that your 4 year old has =
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eyes and is built closer to the ground? <G> Look through fresh =
eyes and=20
get close to your work. Dave Pettersen in the NW Brigade does a good =
Rocky Mt.=20
College on Tracking utilizing the principles taught by Search and Rescue =
people=20
who often have to find folks that don't want to be found. There might be =
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resource for you to look into. I remain....</DIV>
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<DIV>YMOS</DIV>
<DIV>Capt. Lahti'</DIV>
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  Gretchen Ormond</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read in the AMM membership=20
  requirements:</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Must be able to demonstrate ability =
to track man=20
  or animal under natural wilderness conditions. </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is the test to pass such a=20
  requirement?  I started tracking deer and dogs in the mountains =
of my=20
  back yard, and about twelve years ago read Tom Browns books and =
started really=20
  looking at tracking differently.  But to tell the truth sometimes =
while=20
  riding along these hills my four year old will notice =
a track or=20
  identify an irregularity in a set of them before I do.  Is =
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  somewhere/someone to go that could teach me more? </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Still Hungry</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WY</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:35:17 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: western rendezvous

Jerry,

There are a number of "National" Rendezvous held each year. One Western is
put on by NMLRA and one is put on by the regular buckskinner community. The
latter is usually bigger. The AMM puts on a Western National for it's
members and this year will be in Idaho but it is open for members and
invited guests only. There are also several regional "National" rendezvous
put on by NMLRA and the other groups like the Pacific Primitive, the Midwest
Primitive, etc. I'm not sure which one your looking at but there are plenty
to choose from. Sorry I can't help any more than that. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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From: "jerry derringer" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: western rendezvous


> Am I mixed up or what? I thought there was a Western rendezvous in Montana
next
> year close to Glacier park. I just got a notice that NMLRA is going to
have a
> Western at Avery in Arizona in 2001.
> need to get my fact straight, so I can plan vac for a Glacier park
rondy??????
> jd
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:00:32 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Gentlemen and Ladies,
     I think we have railed on long enough over this issue.  We've chased
off some and pissed off most.  This is a list open to all and ALL opinions
will be expressed.  Some just have a very forceful way of expressing their
OPINIONS.
      This really isn't supposed to be a "chat" list.  There are any number
of fur trade/reenactor chat lists out there for those who wish to visit
"nice".  Be advised that many of those lists have anything but "nice"
conversations.  This is supposed to be an informational list to exchange
ideas (and opinions) and to seek information pertaining to the fur trade
era.  All are welcome.  Any AMM business or family feuding should be
restricted to the AMM list or to personal communication.  I don't think we
should air our laundry in public.
    So, MY last response to anything with the word "Nazi" in the log line
follows.
    I keep my camp and am more than willing to let others keep their camp
the way they see fit.  When I attend a rendezvous, I attend to the rules and
restrictions of the organizers.  I give aid or advice when asked and
appreciate response when I ask questions of others.  I have wrongly assumed
that some folks do what they do out of ignorance of the period and wish to
be enlightened.  This is often NOT the case.  Many participants like the way
their camp is irregardless of authenticity or historical precedent and are
proud of it.  Fine.  As long as the camp rules are maintained, I have no
problem with those people as long as I can keep my camp my way.  They have
no reason to have to defend their way of doing things to me as I do not
intend to defend myself to them.
     I look at non-AMM functions this way... they are not supposed to be a
Recreation of History, they are supposed to be a Celebration of History.
That helps me keep things in perspective and still enjoy myself.  If the
standards of the event falls so far as to become a mere "shoot" or an excuse
to sell trinkets, I stop attending.  I enjoyed the bliss of big camps full
of women, kids and dogs for years until it all began to look like
"theme-park history" to me.  That's when I contacted the AMM.  By then I was
a familiar face at rendezvous and some of those "elitists" recalled that I
asked sincere questions.
    The AMM is required by charter to share their knowledge with others.
This list is a response to that self-imposed demand. But although we come
from all backgrounds,we are largely a rough, mostly unshod group.  We
unashamedly admit to taking this thing we do seriously.  So when you come to
us with inquireries, prepare yourself for honest (sometimes brutally
unvarnished honest) answers.  You can pick a man to relate to on a one to
one basis but on this list you get everyone's opinion in the way they
express themselves.  There will most likely be someone you can connect with
and others you can't. You can choose, however, whose responses to take to
heart.  This list is OPEN to everyone but not FOR everyone.
    That's my piece on the matter.

    Larry Huber
    #1517
    ----- Original Message -----
From: Addison Miller <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


> Aw come on guys (and gals)... this is a hobby we have here.... one that my
> wife and I enjoy immensely.  We do the best we can, and I am always
learning
> new stuff about what to do and not to do, etc... We all do the best we can
> with what we got. I admit, I am not 100% accurate, because there are
comfort
> things the little woman likes, and since I gota sleep with her, I say "Yes
> dear", and see that she has it. Mostly, I do try to be as accurate as
> possible, and when some one KINDLY (key word here) points out to me that I
> am in error, I listen and change it.  However, if someone comes into MY
> (another key word) camp and starts givin me a ration, then its time to
start
> looking for a place to hide bodies. I put up with that from no one!!
>
> I am new at this... only been doing it about 10 years, and I love what I
do.
> Since we just moved to W Va, I intend to get into Historical Trekking, and
I
> am studying hard to make it right with my gear, etc... however, I am sure
I
> will make a few mistakes. That is called being human.  Constructive
> criticism is accepted gladly... ranting and raving at me about something
is
> likely to get you hurt... and more than just your feelings. R E S P E C T
is
> another key word. Respect others, and be nice when you point out the error
> of their ways.  You will find they will listen much better.
>
> I agree whole heartedly, that some traders at events shouldnot be allowed
in
> the front gates. All they sell is Pakistani knives, cheap made in China
> junk, and trinkets. Report it to the Ronnyvous authorities.... don't go
off
> on the guy yourself.
>
> Many of us want to be as authentic as possible... kudos to you in doing
> that.  Many of us just aren't as talented at making things as others (this
> is my category), so we do the best we can. Hell, it was many years before
I
> finally learned to make fire with flint and steel. When a friend took me
> aside and showed me how to do it (instead of laughing at my attempts and
> walking away as some others did) I found it was easy as pie.  Now, that is
> how I start all my fires at camp.
>
> Finally to my point here... BE NICE!!!  You don't have to call people
names
> (personally I HATE the word NAZI) to get their attention.  I have learned
> much from this list, and hope to continue to do so. Several months ago,
when
> I was a newbie to the list, I asked a question, and one of the members (no
> longer here) stated that it was a "stupid question, not worth an answer".
> Well, my daddy always said that the only stupid question as was the one
you
> didn't ask. People like that can give lists a bad name.... and that is
not,
> for the most part, I have found this list to be.
>
> Ad Miller
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:10:27 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

All,
    Another side of this discussion about people (and I won't mention any
names) who are: crude, alittle hard to take and opininated, is that it is
"authenic".
Sorry for use of the "A" word again, but we tend to think of the mountain men,
long hunters and explorers as gentile, diplomatic people who let by gones by by
gones.
Not so. For the men (and women) who lived in wild times had definite opininons on
subjects which we won't even talk about today ( Indians, hunting, settling new
land). These people
didn't worry about what people thought about them. And it was probably best. Ever
wonder
why no one mentions in their journals how to get out of a fight by using
courtisey, logic sense and reasoning? Alot of times the pilgrims who came west
had to get hard hearted or they wouldn't last long. The time spent in a wild,
dangerous place tended to change individuals.
So when they returned home, friends and family found them "different". Read the
missionary
accounts. Words like "savages" and "heathen" weren't how they just descibed the
Indians.
The days, weeks and years spent living off the land didn't do much for their
manners and speech. While we today like to be moderate, pleasing and not hurting
of others' feelings,
it just wasn't the case for the majority of people who lived in earlier times.
This shouldn't give
us licence to do wrong things today, but we do need to realize that not
everything is nice,
perfect and "civil". At some gatherings, I choose not to associate with people
like this. And I choose my friends carefully. Some guys are alittle too brash for
me, but I can still respect them for what they can do and are.
                                                    mike.

[e-mail] wrote:

> > Just curious...And that question is not mean spirited in any way, but I bet
> >  it can be construed as such, cause remember, I am "insensitive"....
>
> Dennis,
>
> In this day and age, our society doesn't know how to accept the person that
> is covered with rough bark on the outside.  They expect something warm and
> fuzzy, something that conforms to their own PC view of the world, the status
> quo.  Beware the man who rides his own trail, rather than follow the rest of
> the sheep, for he is an outcast to society who cannot be trusted.
>
> On the other hand, he is one of the few who realize what society has done to
> themselves.  He is still the pioneer who follows the old ways.
>
> OldFox
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