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hist_text-digest        Thursday, May 11 2000        Volume 01 : Number 544



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Un-shod Horses.
-áááááá MtMan-List: How to make friends and influence people.
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: artificial sinew
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re:Authenticity
-áááááá MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not
-áááááá MtMan-List: Cordage
-áááááá MtMan-List: Picking a time frame
-áááááá MtMan-List: Tracking
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re:Authenticity
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Barrels

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:40:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

>History be damned.  Give me humans with some soul anyday.  From now on, I<
>will proudly be with those in chrome tan who care about other human beings.<

... so the elitist bastards came out from behind their little walled in
enclave and spout off, then the list, and buckskinning in general, loses
another good one.  What a piss-poor showing by a Brotherhood. This happens
far too often, and really reflects poorly on the AMM, that group of people
whom we are supposed to be able to go for advise.   When will you learn there
are many who are reaching out for your help, only to be rebuffed and
downright insulted because they had the guts to ask, to try and learn or
express a point of view?  Isn't the AMM interested in new members?  Didn't
you all have to start in the chrome-tan phase and grow from there?  THIS IS
NOT THE AMM MEMBERS LIST, REMEMBER?  This is the list that's open to anyone
with an interest........ (PS, thankfully, some of us have maintained
relationships with those some of you have 'shamed' off the list, and are
still able to learn some very valuable information from them; information and
ideas you may have foolishly lost access too. Believe it or not, being a
member of the AMM does NOT mean you automatically know everything; there are
still those that can impart knowledge to you!)

In closing, I can only say to Bobbie:  Don't let the words or actions of a
couple ruin it for you.  Most on this list have great temperaments and will
share their knowledge without trying to disgrace or intimidate you.  If
nothing else, let this serve to 'thicken your skin' against those who believe
they are better than you, and in doing so, give yourself the opportunity to
prove them wrong.                 Barney

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:19:09 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

This is in response to a private post from on of the "enlightened" ones...
I will not post the letter on a public forum as the language would make
Lanney blush.
 As I was told because I queried a fella about carrying a roll of
"ARTIFICIAL sinew" in his bag, and suggested an alternative, although I knew
full well when I did it that he already knew the alternatives, I was being
"insensitive to others feelings" and that I should apologize and leave the
list with my head hung in shame and possibly be removed from the rolls of
the AMM.. Well, unfortunatly, this seems to be the pervasive attitude
nowadays.. "Be sensitive and totally understanding to others and coo over
them gently, or we will scream NAZI! or worse, then take our toys and go
home while blaming others. And demand that the non-p.c. offender is punished
and all others that would dare to say what they think are silenced.."
Well, dear letter writer, you know who you are, I ain't leaving, apologizing
or resigning anything. Call me what you want, say what you will.. It is your
right, but remember, it is my right as well.
 As for those who live and camp in the Rockies, I envy you that, but if it
is truley "hallowed ground",  do it right. to honor those that came
before....
D

PS, on the last line, Walt, is the Clark Bottom 'voo juried tightly? Or does
"anything" (pre 1840)go?
Just curious...And that question is not mean spirited in any way, but I bet
it can be construed as such, cause remember, I am "insensitive"....
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1980 11:50:27 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Un-shod Horses.

Cliff Tiffie wrote:
>>I have not encountered any sources(journals, letters) that describe someone
setting or pulling a shoe. However, trade lists and invoices show shoes,
nails, and shoeing tools being sent to the Rockies.  <<

I would consider trade lists and invoices showing horseshoeing supplies to
be evidence that's at least as good as journals and letters. Thanks for
scratching my curiousity itch!

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:01:54 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: How to make friends and influence people.

Is anyone listening to what he is saying besides me? At the very least
(there is probably more)  I shot my mouth off about Horse s**t rendezvous
and offended brothers I regard highly and non-brothers who didn't have it
coming. Our little joke about 'Hard Core Elitist Bastard Point'  "a gated
community" does not shine in the face of all the hard work to put on such a
camp. ( I may not be welcome back and with good reason) It was rude.

Someone else new to the game (and it is a game guys) made a comment about
modern expedients, (I don't even know what was originally said now) and he
gets his head taken off such that he chooses to leave. Someone else goes to
his defense trying to cite  the many benefits of modern medical care we
don't leave at home and he gets his head delivered in a sheet iron pan. And
there were insults both ways that I probably left out but what does that
justify?

Another old hand at this game jumps in and makes it sound like if you didn't
live in a certain area you can't really count yourself a "Mountain Man" or
implies that if you are east of some arbitrary line and don't camp in the
Rockies, your just not quit up to par. (that  is sure how I hear it)

Someone else jumps in boasting about how little use he has for people who
don't camp like he does at an AMM function but he will drink your booze and
set in your chair at any other type of doings. And gets hot at being called
an Authenticity Nazi. (I've been called that too and I don't like it either)
(and he is still welcome to sit in my chair and drink my booze cause we are
brothers and there almost isn't anything he can do that will change that).

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I see that Barney beat me to this. Well said. The various parts we have
played in this little exchange does not reflect well on us as a group and
certainly not on us as individuals. So we want to be special and call on a
few good men? Well, the Marines (God Bless every one of them for their
service and sacrifice) need a few good men on a continuing basis. So do we.
This is how we make our group look attractive? You want a special place to
go? This is how we recruit the membership base that will be required if that
is ever to happen?

Bobbie, my apologies for not speaking up sooner. Same to you Tim. Julia, you
do not have to take your offers of assistance off list, you shame us all
with your generosity. Paul, your opinion is worth much more than you know.
Keep them coming.

So we live in Montana, so we camp with next to nothing, so we are a member
of AMM. So we are whole in body. Does that make us special? Or does it make
us lucky? Are we whole in spirit? Are we here to learn and share? That is
part of the Charter. Maybe the biggest part.

This is a History List. People inside and outside the sponsoring
organization come here to learn and share. Sometimes a bit of BS gets thrown
in to lighten up the day or fill the empty page. Sometimes the participants
feel strongly about various subjects. Sometimes people say things here that
they wouldn't say around a camp fire with friends or strangers. The latter
shouldn't happen but when it does, it should be stopped. This list is not
moderated. Perhaps it should be if we can't act like adults and see
ourselves as part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I
remain......

Capt. Lahti' #1719




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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:27:51 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Aw come on guys (and gals)... this is a hobby we have here.... one that my
wife and I enjoy immensely.  We do the best we can, and I am always learning
new stuff about what to do and not to do, etc... We all do the best we can
with what we got. I admit, I am not 100% accurate, because there are comfort
things the little woman likes, and since I gota sleep with her, I say "Yes
dear", and see that she has it. Mostly, I do try to be as accurate as
possible, and when some one KINDLY (key word here) points out to me that I
am in error, I listen and change it.  However, if someone comes into MY
(another key word) camp and starts givin me a ration, then its time to start
looking for a place to hide bodies. I put up with that from no one!!

I am new at this... only been doing it about 10 years, and I love what I do.
Since we just moved to W Va, I intend to get into Historical Trekking, and I
am studying hard to make it right with my gear, etc... however, I am sure I
will make a few mistakes. That is called being human.  Constructive
criticism is accepted gladly... ranting and raving at me about something is
likely to get you hurt... and more than just your feelings. R E S P E C T is
another key word. Respect others, and be nice when you point out the error
of their ways.  You will find they will listen much better.

I agree whole heartedly, that some traders at events shouldnot be allowed in
the front gates. All they sell is Pakistani knives, cheap made in China
junk, and trinkets. Report it to the Ronnyvous authorities.... don't go off
on the guy yourself.

Many of us want to be as authentic as possible... kudos to you in doing
that.  Many of us just aren't as talented at making things as others (this
is my category), so we do the best we can. Hell, it was many years before I
finally learned to make fire with flint and steel. When a friend took me
aside and showed me how to do it (instead of laughing at my attempts and
walking away as some others did) I found it was easy as pie.  Now, that is
how I start all my fires at camp.

Finally to my point here... BE NICE!!!  You don't have to call people names
(personally I HATE the word NAZI) to get their attention.  I have learned
much from this list, and hope to continue to do so. Several months ago, when
I was a newbie to the list, I asked a question, and one of the members (no
longer here) stated that it was a "stupid question, not worth an answer".
Well, my daddy always said that the only stupid question as was the one you
didn't ask. People like that can give lists a bad name.... and that is not,
for the most part, I have found this list to be.

Ad Miller


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:54:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

> Just curious...And that question is not mean spirited in any way, but I bet
>  it can be construed as such, cause remember, I am "insensitive"....

Dennis,

In this day and age, our society doesn't know how to accept the person that
is covered with rough bark on the outside.  They expect something warm and
fuzzy, something that conforms to their own PC view of the world, the status
quo.  Beware the man who rides his own trail, rather than follow the rest of
the sheep, for he is an outcast to society who cannot be trusted.

On the other hand, he is one of the few who realize what society has done to
themselves.  He is still the pioneer who follows the old ways.

OldFox

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:46:03 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

Dennis, I am sure that somehow, somewhere, I am involved in this. Well, you
can talk anyway you want with me. You ain't hurting my feelings. I am still
growing, still learning, still developing. I don't know the half of it and
am willing to admit it. I take your comments as they are meant -
constructive. If we can't have a give and take conversation on this net,
then I guess we'll just have to get together on the ground.
Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)


>This is in response to a private post from on of the "enlightened" ones...
>I will not post the letter on a public forum as the language would make
>Lanney blush.
> As I was told because I queried a fella about carrying a roll of
>"ARTIFICIAL sinew" in his bag, and suggested an alternative, although I
knew
>full well when I did it that he already knew the alternatives, I was being
>"insensitive to others feelings" and that I should apologize and leave the
>list with my head hung in shame and possibly be removed from the rolls of
>the AMM.. Well, unfortunatly, this seems to be the pervasive attitude
>nowadays.. "Be sensitive and totally understanding to others and coo over
>them gently, or we will scream NAZI! or worse, then take our toys and go
>home while blaming others. And demand that the non-p.c. offender is
punished
>and all others that would dare to say what they think are silenced.."
>Well, dear letter writer, you know who you are, I ain't leaving,
apologizing
>or resigning anything. Call me what you want, say what you will.. It is
your
>right, but remember, it is my right as well.
> As for those who live and camp in the Rockies, I envy you that, but if it
>is truley "hallowed ground",  do it right. to honor those that came
>before....
>D
>
>PS, on the last line, Walt, is the Clark Bottom 'voo juried tightly? Or
does
>"anything" (pre 1840)go?
>Just curious...And that question is not mean spirited in any way, but I bet
>it can be construed as such, cause remember, I am "insensitive"....
>D
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:43:36 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

That'll be a pleasure Bill... And I will give you a nice 20' piece of
cordage or hemp string  while I am at it!!<GG>
D

"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:51:07 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

Wait a minute! A bladesmith I did business with not too long back should
have been able to retire after he got through with me. Maybe I'd better get
together with you for my next knife?
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp


>Walt,
>So what do you want Walt, photos? Lessee, there are a few floating around
>and I have some myself, somewhere.. Includeing one from the 1994 AMM
Easten,
>"Most Correct Camp" That earned me the Silver Cup that year.
>New Madiosn is mebby 900 people, if you count dogs & kids. I set my camp in
>in the Alleghenies, Smokies & Blue Ridge Mtns. Along with some grand, wild
>forested areas around here. I haven't had an opportunity to camp in the
>Shinin' Mtns for several years, as I am a bladesmith and we don't exactly
>rake in a fortune for travel. And what sort of ref. does the AMM crack
mean?
>Because I am from the East I shouldn't open my mouth? Well, crack a book
>bud, the Mtn Men came from somewhere.. Wanna guess where? Doc Newell was
>from 50 miles South of here, in Ross, Ohio.... So I wouldn't even wanna
>touch that tangent.. There are an awful lot of Eastern Brothers that may
>take unbrage with it, along with more than a few I know from the West.
>And I believe this "duscussion" started because I queried the AUTHENTICITY
>of waxed NYLON. And I don't ever remember seeing it on a trade list from
>Ashley, HBC, AFC, Bent or any other I have seen.. So what do you consider
>education? The wonders of modern innovations, like artificial sinew &
>naugahyde and the notion of if had it they 'd a used it?
>
>
>Dennnis Miles
>AMM#1622 Hiveranno
>Party Chief, Doc Newell Party, Ohio
>
>
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Walt Foster <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:10 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
>
>
>> Hello John...errrr D.
>>
>> Getting on the ground.  You did not give me a very detailed description
of
>> your camp.  Just a few things you are carrying.  BTW how big is New
>Madison,
>> Ohio.  And what mountains do you set your camp in?  I for one would like
>to
>> know more and after all this list is dedicated to American Mountain Man
>> education is it not?
>>
>> Walt
>> Park City, Montana
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
>> To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
>>
>>
>> > Walt Wrote:
>> > > So what does D. camp look like?
>> >
>> >
>> > Walt,
>> >  Like a camp, a oilcloth tarp over the top if it is a pouring or
snowing
>> > like a banshee, or no cloth if natural shelter is available.  And nada
>> when
>> > it's nice. A couple a blankets or the robe. A tinned brass kettle and a
>> > canteen usually.  My gun, bag and haversack laying around somewhere in
>> > reach.A jug at some AMM doins. Nothin fancy. It is like that if I am by
>> > myself, with Gwen,  in a big public doins or in the middle of no damned
>> > where. What did you have in mind?
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>> >           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>> >   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>> >    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>> >   "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>> >
>> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:29:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: artificial sinew

Washtahay-
At 02:59 PM 5/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>    Yes, I believe we all "strive to improve" and most of us would rather
>use real sinew.  However, not everyone bags a deer, or elk or any big game
>each year.  I admire those who are able to ignore the square life and
>[legally?] hunt and bag six or ten deer a year. And who have time to harvest
>the sinew and hand tan the hides and hand make their gear.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again-the highway is a buckskinner's
friend.  Where its legal, harvesting of road-killed deer provides a ready
source of raw materials.  Contacts with sheriff's departments, etc can be
quite productive.  Sure, you can't get all of them, but two or three deer
over a year's time can be quite a windfall.
    If this isn't practical, or legal where you are, there are other sources.
In the past, I've bought deer hides from processors for example.  Sinew and
raw hides can be purchased from various vendors as well.

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:02:40 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

Damn Bill... Mebby I need to charge more...Wanna buy a knife???<G>
I don't skin folks too bad, unless of course they piss me off...<BSEG>
D

"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:03:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

In a message dated 5/11/00 7:19:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< For what my opinion is worth, if we can not let this dog (topic) die, at
 least give up the subject  line using the term "Nazis."  It is an extremely
 offensive term, and one to which, I at least, take particular umbrage.  >>

I tried my darnedest to stay out of this freycus.  But I can't help my self
now.  Are we really going to go from one extreme ( Authenticity Nazis ) to
the other (Politically Correct) ?  Authenticity Nazis' although thier hearts
are generally in the right place unless they are just the "I been at it so
long everybody better bow to me" types tend to take the fun out of things
without intending to. And the Politically Correct, well I best not get
started. But as I recall wearing fur ain't Politically Correct.  Let's find a
middle ground and go back to the interesting discussions that make this a
worthwhile list.

Longshot

"Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage"
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:43:29 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)

Make it hemp. If I can't tie it. . .well. . .
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nazi's. Last word.(from me)


>That'll be a pleasure Bill... And I will give you a nice 20' piece of
>cordage or hemp string  while I am at it!!<GG>
>D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:44:56 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

I've been collecting Gonzalez knives. Probably have enough to outfit a
pirate ship.
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp


>Damn Bill... Mebby I need to charge more...Wanna buy a knife???<G>
>I don't skin folks too bad, unless of course they piss me off...<BSEG>
>D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:49:58 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Washtahay-
At 01:40 PM 5/11/00 EDT, you wrote:
>>History be damned.  Give me humans with some soul anyday.  From now on, I<
>>will proudly be with those in chrome tan who care about other human beings.<
>
>... so the elitist bastards came out from behind their little walled in
>enclave and spout off, then the list, and buckskinning in general, loses
>another good one.
    While I can't speak for everyone, please allow me to apologize for my
mistakes.  I occasionally forget I am a member of a culture that worships
mediocrity, one that has failed to consider that the logical consequences
of the words "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are
created equal..." is that where one goes and what one does from the point
of creation is what tells the value of a person.
    Since I obviously am unable to understand what is going on, can I ask some
questions?  Like, what indicates this person is a "good one?"
    And while I'm sure everyone sees this but me but I have to ask: was it the
nazi comment that should have clued me in that someone was reaching out for
help?  I can never get these things straight.
LongWlaker c. du B.




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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:29:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

In a message dated 5/11/00 4:13:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>   Since I obviously am unable to understand what is going on, can I ask some
>  questions?  Like, what indicates this person is a "good one?"

It seems to me (and it should be obvious to the members of any organization
that NEEDS new members) that anyone thats got an interest in the sport/hobby,
and is willing to learn in order to move themselves out of mediocrity is a
'good one', and should be nurtured along in their pursuit...  at least until
proven otherwise.

>   And while I'm sure everyone sees this but me but I have to ask: was it the
>  nazi comment that should have clued me in that someone was reaching out for
>  help?

You connsolidated two thoughts of mine there Longwalker.  Or maybe it was me.
 Sorry for the confuddlement.

Barney



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:29:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Authenticity

    "the air was calm serene and cold and the stars shone with an uncommon
brightness   after sleeping till about Midnight I arose and renewed the fire.
 My horse was continually walking backwards and forwards to keep from
freezing.  I was upwards of 6,000 ft about (above) the level of the lake,
below me was a dark abyss silent as the night of Death."

Osborne Russell
Journal of a Trapper 1834-1843

Doesn't get much more authentic than that.

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:42:13 -0500
From: "Verlin Kinsey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Having just gotten a couple of flinters, now comes the question...Do you
carry a separate priming horn, why or why not?

Sparky
>From the Flint Hills of Kansas





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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:23:09 -0700
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prining horn or not

Hi Verlin,   I tend to carry 3f powder in a single horn, loading and
priming with the same stuff.  It is my understanding that existing
historical priming horns are rare.  The reason I don't use a priming horn
though, is for ease of use.  I have used 4f for priming, and not...I
can't tell any real difference in my shooting, it's always mediocre <g>.
 My best advice for shooting a flinter is this;  find someone who shoots
one well, and go shooting with them....ask for-and follow there advice.
I did this and my flinter abilities increased noticeably.    hardtack

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Cordage

 No pro, but I made my belt out of Chow Dog hair.
 Made a "rope"about 12 ft. long and braided it.
 One size fits most.

=====
George R. Noe< [e-mail] >
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:35:01 -0600
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Picking a time frame

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Walt wrote:

Gourds would not have been present in the initial
years 1807-1825.  The Pony Trader period may be a different matter as
pointed out to me by Bill Cunningham and his friends.  The intercourse =
grew
stronger between the north and south rockies over the years.


Would Bill or someone else please tell me more about the changes that =
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:44:31 -0600
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tracking

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I read in the AMM membership requirements:

Must be able to demonstrate ability to track man or animal under natural =
wilderness conditions.=20

What is the test to pass such a requirement?  I started tracking deer =
and dogs in the mountains of my back yard, and about twelve years ago =
read Tom Browns books and started really looking at tracking =
differently.  But to tell the truth sometimes while riding along these =
hills my four year old will notice a track or identify an irregularity =
in a set of them before I do.   Is there somewhere/someone to go that =
could teach me more?=20

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:49:23 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Authenticity

Russell was camped in such a place for the sole purpose of watching the =
sun come up over the lake mentioned.  Just to see it.  Ain't that =
something?!
Lanney Ratcliff

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:38 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrels

Glenn Darilek wrote:

> Rolling barrels is Right.  That was before fork lifts, so making the
> shipping container also the vehicle was the ingenious way to go.
>
> YMOS
> Glenn Darilek
> Iron Burner
>
> [e-mail]  writes:
>
> > So why did they go to the expense of crafting a barrel to hold something
> like nails when a wooden box would be easier to make, and much cheaper.  So
> what is your answer?
>
> Is it because heavy barrels could be rolled?         Barney
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Not so much for rolling, but strength and could be reused over and over again.
Plus packing on an animal was easier on the animal than a box with sharp
corners and straight sides.

Buck


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