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hist_text-digest        Thursday, May 11 2000        Volume 01 : Number 543



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Un-shod Horses.
-áááááá MtMan-List: Reply from the "Nazi" Delete now if you are thin skinned
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Dennis`s camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: cordage
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dennis`s camp
-áááááá MtMan-List: Gourds
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:33:36 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

It worked fine! Until I hit the concrete.
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)


>Bill,
> The flying machine experiment dinnit work, eh?
>D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:33:15 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Bill
I would say it was lack of lift due to a slow takeoff speed. Next time start
nearer to the peak of the roof and run full tilt to the edge.. Might be the
ticket....
D



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:35:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Susan Gilbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage

On Thu, 11 May 2000 01:34:47 -0700, [e-mail] wrote:

>start with a figure 8 starting on the left hand fork going away from you
>take the loose long end of the string and lay above the rh fork then lift
>the original figure eight over the top and then rotate the fork then
>continue on you are started---

That is a perfect description of how to get a lucet cord started.  I have been
trying to scan in my handout for demos, but I'm having trouble today.  I'll
keep trying and make it available to whoever wants it.

Sue Gilbert
6 Beaver Camp
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:53:16 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Bobbie,
I wasn't going to say anything, but I changed my mind. Dont Go! you have as
much right to be here as anybody.
Ole
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>From: Bobbie <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>Date: Thu, May 11, 2000, 12:29 AM
>

>Ole wrote:
>
>>Bobbie,
>>Don't let them get to you, Who pushed the "HOT BUTTON"anyway?
>
>  Thanks, Ole, for acknowledging that what was said was hurtful.  It seems
>to have escaped everyone else on this list.
>
>   As I said previously, I have always just deleted these things.  This
>time, that rude comment about "leaving" really got to me, and I thought,
>and still think, that should be clarified.  I belive that an apology is
>owed.  But, obviously, since it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other
>to most of the folks here, I will leave of my own accord.  As I said, I
>sure don't want to be where I'm not wanted.
>
>   I said in my original response to that uncalled for and haughty demand,
>there are many things in my life which others have no way of knowing.  To
>judge me and others in such a dismissive way is just low.   There are times
>when I think people should know the results of their actions and words, and
>this is one of them.
>
>   Tonight I'm mourning the fact that my hometown is going up in flames.
>Two weeks ago, I saw my childhood home, and tonight I read the words that
>it is all gone.  Gone.  Now the fire is spreading into one of the poorest
>counties in the nation, including two Indian Pueblos.  Those people can't
>afford to lose anymore.  They have so little.
>
>   So, while you all enjoy your superiority, and your sociopathic joy of
>"riling" people up, there are others suffering.  I prefer to spend my time
>with people who have hearts and compassion.
>
>    I and several others I've met at Rendezvous have physical handicaps
>that prevents us from being as perfect as all of you.  I still desired to
>learn what I could, and to do the best that I can.  No more.  I no longer
>give a rip.  I have no more desire to know about history.  What I value is
>people who can care about more than looking down their noses at people who
>they perceive as beneath them.
>
>    The last Rendezvous I attended, I left home with another one of the
>controversies raging on this list.  Name calling, tantrums, etc.  At the
>Rendezvous, there were people planning a benefit for children dying of
>cancer.  Now, it just doesn't take a lot of sensitivity to have some sense
>of what is really important.  History be damned.  Give me humans with some
>soul anyday.  From now on, I will proudly be with those in chrome tan who
>care about other human beings.
>
>       So long,
>
>             Bobbie
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:15 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Dear List Members...

For what my opinion is worth, if we can not let this dog (topic) die, at
least give up the subject  line using the term "Nazis."  It is an extremely
offensive term, and one to which, I at least, take particular umbrage.

Additionally, while I do appreciate to a degree, the sensitivity of some of
our list members, as expressed by the material below between Julia and
Bobbie, I respectfully suggest that such comments are better directed off
list as between the interested parties and not to the list at large.

This list is for a dedicated purpose, and while humor and venom often seem
to creep (creep hell, it flows like lava) in to our conversations, I would
think it a better practice to keep the personal comments personal and off
the list.

Just my thoughts.  Regards,  Paul
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Julia <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


> My heart goes to you,  Bobbie,
>
> >   Thanks, Ole, for acknowledging that what was said was hurtful.  It
seems
> >to have escaped everyone else on this list.
>
> I was not lost on me,  but I have never been made welcome on this
> list,  so I offer very little.   I have been very tempted to withdraw
> from this list over the list over this too.
>
> >    Tonight I'm mourning the fact that my hometown is going up in flames.
> >Two weeks ago, I saw my childhood home, and tonight I read the words that
> >it is all gone.  Gone.  Now the fire is spreading into one of the poorest
> >counties in the nation, including two Indian Pueblos.  Those people can't
> >afford to lose anymore.  They have so little.
>
> Tears fill my eyes,   I want to help!  What can I do?  Let me know!
> All of this list stuff seem so unimportant when REAL  tragedy strikes.
> If it is raising money or goods,  I will do it.
> Give me details,  I want to do what will help!
>
> Julia
> in Oregon
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:33:18 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Thanks a lot.
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)


>Bill
>I would say it was lack of lift due to a slow takeoff speed. Next time
start
>nearer to the peak of the roof and run full tilt to the edge.. Might be the
>ticket....
>D
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:29:26 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Bill,
Anytime...<G>
D




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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:36:13 PDT
From: "Chance Tiffie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Un-shod Horses.

Angela,
I have not encountered any sources(journals, letters) that describe someone
setting or pulling a shoe. However, trade lists and invoices show shoes,
nails, and shoeing tools being sent to the Rockies.  I will admit that the
vast majority of equines went un-shod, most likely from necessity, not
choice.  There was demand for shoes though, or they could not have justified
their weight, when trade items could have been packed in their place.
For a few quick references, you can use the searh tool on Dean's site, type
in the word "shoes," and you will get the documentation needed.
   As for my personal experience riding  mules. I keep them shod as most of
my riding is done via gravel road here in Oklahoma for lack of un-fenced
property, and designated equestrian trails.  We do not have enough snow or
ice usually to cause snow or ice build-up on their hooves.  However friends
that elk hunt with their mules in Colorado always pull the shoes before
going.


Cliff Tiffie
PO Box 5089
Durant, OK
74702
580-924-4187
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:45:59 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Reply from the "Nazi" Delete now if you are thin skinned

Hello Camp.
 I wrote this privately to a listmemeber, but I think the list outta read
it...
And if you keep calling me a nazi, fine, I may have to heard your asses on a
train.
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Snipped for content...

" I would have left the entire subject alone, cause I  really don't care if
someone clothes themselves head to toe in naug skins and ride around in a
golf cart covered with a skin and call it  a horse...
 What fired me up is when I was referred to as aan  "authenticity nazi"  I
have organized several events that were tightly juried and have been a
member of even more jury commities. And it always ends up about the same..
We get photos and camp descriptions by the box, well invariably we get some
that are pure, flatland buckskinners (yes, this meant to be derogatory)..
And whenever we send a rejection along with suggestions of what needs to be
left at home or changed (always nicely worded cause if they went to the
trouble of going thru jury, you would think they were open to suggestion to
improve their gear and camps some) invariably we get letters or phonecalls
accusing the organizer/committee to be tightassed elitist nazi's.. It does
set me off. As it did on the list.. I will put my camp and gear up to
anyone's scrutiny. I started as a chrometan buckskinner, but I have worked
hard to improve my gear, which is a never ending process and someone who
would rather whine and call me a name to two deserves and will get my full
brunt. I go to several local 'voos around here a year, and camp the way I
camp, and others camp the way they do, no conflict, no harm , no foul..
Hell, they are my friends. I don't give advice on gear unless asked, period.
And I have no qualms about going over to a neighbors camp, sit in a slat
chair and partake of the local brew...Them that know me can tell you that if
I am called a nazi by one of these folks, it is purely trying to get a rise
outta me. But because you get rejected from a juried event or don't get
invited to a AMM doins doesn't mean we are elitist nazi's. We are doing it
they way we want to do it, and if you conform to our camp standards, then
you can play too.  Or if someone sees potential in a person, we don't really
care what he wears, that we can fix over time..(AMM)  What is inside is what
counts. But don't expect to go to a juried event or AMM doins and drag 6
tons of shit in your pickup, and set up a "ronnyvoo" camp..... Won't
happen/Period."

Dennis Miles
AMM 1622 Hiveranno
Party Chief , Doc Newell Party
Ohio
937-996-0201 my phone # for you that have emailed me personally with some
nasty stuff. Call me, we will make arrangements to get on the grond
sometime...



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:58:18 -0700
From: Julia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:

I do apologize,  that was a message meant to be sent off list.

May peace be with you all,   Julia

>Dear List Members...
>
>For what my opinion is worth, if we can not let this dog (topic) die, at
>least give up the subject  line using the term "Nazis."  It is an extremely
>offensive term, and one to which, I at least, take particular umbrage.
>
>Additionally, while I do appreciate to a degree, the sensitivity of some of
>our list members, as expressed by the material below between Julia and
>Bobbie, I respectfully suggest that such comments are better directed off
>list as between the interested parties and not to the list at large.
>
>This list is for a dedicated purpose, and while humor and venom often seem
>to creep (creep hell, it flows like lava) in to our conversations, I would
>think it a better practice to keep the personal comments personal and off
>the list.
>
>Just my thoughts.  Regards,  Paul
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Julia <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:27 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>
>
>  > My heart goes to you,  Bobbie,
>  >
>  > >   Thanks, Ole, for acknowledging that what was said was hurtful.  It
>seems
>  > >to have escaped everyone else on this list.
>  >
>  > I was not lost on me,  but I have never been made welcome on this
>  > list,  so I offer very little.   I have been very tempted to withdraw
>  > from this list over the list over this too.
>  >
>  > >    Tonight I'm mourning the fact that my hometown is going up in flames.
>  > >Two weeks ago, I saw my childhood home, and tonight I read the words that
>  > >it is all gone.  Gone.  Now the fire is spreading into one of the poorest
>  > >counties in the nation, including two Indian Pueblos.  Those people can't
>  > >afford to lose anymore.  They have so little.
>  >
>  > Tears fill my eyes,   I want to help!  What can I do?  Let me know!
>  > All of this list stuff seem so unimportant when REAL  tragedy strikes.
>  > If it is raising money or goods,  I will do it.
>  > Give me details,  I want to do what will help!
>  >
>  > Julia
>  > in Oregon
>  >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:14:56 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dennis`s camp

Walt, If Dennis takes a big camp it usually consist of a buff robe, two
wilde blankies, a jug to sip, a gourd for water, a cloth bag for food. The
big camp is usually when his pretty wife is along. For himself, depending on
temperature, the buff robe or one blanket. On a rare occasion a diamond
accompanies them. They eat well and always have some to share, mighty fine
jerky, or hard home made sausage, cheese, depending on temp and event a nice
chunk of hump ribs. For a week long AMM camp it might take two trips on foot
to carry in his camp. Two trips usually indicate he took his trade goods.
"he a excellent knife and axe maker" If ordering a knife from him be sure to
order a sheath, he loves to make them. are usually bark tanned.

Dennis has the skills and ability to survive comfortable with very little.
Oh yes a brass goose bay kettle sometime accompanies him. Can take a
squirrel in the woods find plants and end up with a stew that melts in your
mouth.

If you haven`t guessed by now, Dennis is a very good friend of mine. He`s
not as much of a butthead as people mistake him for. He has a correct camp
and expects others around him to also have a correct camp. Most of the AMM
members want to see improvement if your not correct. At no time was
criticism ever given me. ONLY when ask how could I improve my camp was
suggestions given. They were given politely by those who I ask, thorough
explanations were given

I would like to suggest any who want to leard more about the fur trade
subscribe to the Tomahawk & Longrifle mag. which is written by AMM members
and published by the same.  I`m not an AMM member, just have quite a few
friends who are members. If you can go into an AMM camp and be correct, then
you can go into any fur trade camp in this country and shine .




> Hello John,
> So what does D. camp look like?  Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
>
>
> > Dennis, that paddle is used to propel your canoe, not stir up s--t.
> >
> > To those who don`t know Dennis, his camp is just as he talks, extremely
> > correct. He has what  it takes to make a comfortable camp for his wife
and
> > himself. You must remember everyone's level of comfort is different.
> >
> > Dennis also has the skills, ability, and knowledge to make do with whats
> at
> > hand.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > PS.. It does my heart good to know I can still ruffle feathers good,
> when
> > I
> > > am a mind to..<BG> And the invitation still goes, I would like to get
on
> > the
> > > ground with any one of ya's. ('Cept mebby Pendleton)
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> > >           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> > >   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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> > >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:17:10 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage

DAMN IT DENNIS, HONESTLY I DIDN`T TELL HIM


> Dennis, you forgot to mention the tiny teddy bear, the incense, prayer
bells
> and so forth.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
>
>
> > Walt Wrote:
> > > So what does D. camp look like?
> >
> >
> > Walt,
> >  Like a camp, a oilcloth tarp over the top if it is a pouring or snowing
> > like a banshee, or no cloth if natural shelter is available.  And nada
> when
> > it's nice. A couple a blankets or the robe. A tinned brass kettle and a
> > canteen usually.  My gun, bag and haversack laying around somewhere in
> > reach.A jug at some AMM doins. Nothin fancy. It is like that if I am by
> > myself, with Gwen,  in a big public doins or in the middle of no damned
> > where. What did you have in mind?
> > Dennis
> >
> > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> >           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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> >
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:10:44 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

Hello John...errrr D.

Getting on the ground.  You did not give me a very detailed description of
your camp.  Just a few things you are carrying.  BTW how big is New Madison,
Ohio.  And what mountains do you set your camp in?  I for one would like to
know more and after all this list is dedicated to American Mountain Man
education is it not?

Walt
Park City, Montana


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From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage


> Walt Wrote:
> > So what does D. camp look like?
>
>
> Walt,
>  Like a camp, a oilcloth tarp over the top if it is a pouring or snowing
> like a banshee, or no cloth if natural shelter is available.  And nada
when
> it's nice. A couple a blankets or the robe. A tinned brass kettle and a
> canteen usually.  My gun, bag and haversack laying around somewhere in
> reach.A jug at some AMM doins. Nothin fancy. It is like that if I am by
> myself, with Gwen,  in a big public doins or in the middle of no damned
> where. What did you have in mind?
> Dennis
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>   "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:14:06 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: cordage

Hi Hawk,
I know the breaks from the 60's and also hunted Sun River up into the Bob
back then before it got to crowded.  I have taken 2 bear and several elk out
of the Hungry Horse area.  We hunted Spotted Bear and Wounded Buck area.
Yes I know Tom Ballard.  Let me know if the square cordage stretches.
Walt
Park City, Montana


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To: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: cordage


> walt---hope to make it to the shining mountains in october or novenmer
> to hunt with my brother in law that lives in haver---we hunt the breaks
> and bob marshal and also up around hungry horse area   will put up smoke
> if i get in the area---
>
>
> BTW do you know tom ballard in helena---
>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:53:26 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dennis`s camp

Hello John,  thank you for your thoughtful reply and doing it would out
blustering and bullying things around.  I would be interested in meeting D.
on the ground.  On orginial ground occupied by the American mountain men
during their time of glory.  I have access to such a camp.  As the Booshway
of Clark Bottom Rendezvous I would have a hard time placing D. in the purely
authentic for the time period camp based upon the limited information you
both have provided.  The use of the gourd for instance would place D. in the
camp section I camp it because after meeting and talking with Bill
Cunningham and his friends at Red Lodge Mountain Man Rendezvous over the
years.  I grew 4 gourds last year and have incorporated them in my camp asit
is based on the 1836/1836 camp of Jim Bridger and is late enough in the
period to be represented.  Gourds would not have been present in the initial
years 1807-1825.  The Pony Trader period may be a different matter as
pointed out to me by Bill Cunningham and his friends.  The intercourse grew
stronger between the north and south rockies over the years.  I have made
the trip myself several times.  Enough to be able to picture it all along in
my mind.  I do not think D. camp can be considered a big camp.  On the
contrary to me so far it reads as a light summer camp.  And not a single
tool is mentioned.  Trips of 2 or more times is not uncommon by footmen
working up the river bottoms like the Missouri, Yellowstone, North Platte
and the Wind River for the beaver men who packed trade good.  I make classic
northern plains knife sheaths myself.  You talk about D. as having the
skills and ability to survice comfortable with very little.  A squirrel
won't feed a man in these Rocky Mountains I know about.  Do you live in Ohio
also?  What time period and geographical location is your camp?  This is
good educational information for everybody.  Thanks again.  Walt



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:14 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Dennis`s camp


> Walt, If Dennis takes a big camp it usually consist of a buff robe, two
> wilde blankies, a jug to sip, a gourd for water, a cloth bag for food. The
> big camp is usually when his pretty wife is along. For himself, depending
on
> temperature, the buff robe or one blanket. On a rare occasion a diamond
> accompanies them. They eat well and always have some to share, mighty fine
> jerky, or hard home made sausage, cheese, depending on temp and event a
nice
> chunk of hump ribs. For a week long AMM camp it might take two trips on
foot
> to carry in his camp. Two trips usually indicate he took his trade goods.
> "he a excellent knife and axe maker" If ordering a knife from him be sure
to
> order a sheath, he loves to make them. are usually bark tanned.
>
> Dennis has the skills and ability to survive comfortable with very little.
> Oh yes a brass goose bay kettle sometime accompanies him. Can take a
> squirrel in the woods find plants and end up with a stew that melts in
your
> mouth.
>
> If you haven`t guessed by now, Dennis is a very good friend of mine. He`s
> not as much of a butthead as people mistake him for. He has a correct camp
> and expects others around him to also have a correct camp. Most of the AMM
> members want to see improvement if your not correct. At no time was
> criticism ever given me. ONLY when ask how could I improve my camp was
> suggestions given. They were given politely by those who I ask, thorough
> explanations were given
>
> I would like to suggest any who want to leard more about the fur trade
> subscribe to the Tomahawk & Longrifle mag. which is written by AMM members
> and published by the same.  I`m not an AMM member, just have quite a few
> friends who are members. If you can go into an AMM camp and be correct,
then
> you can go into any fur trade camp in this country and shine .
>
>
>
>
> > Hello John,
> > So what does D. camp look like?  Walt
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
> >
> >
> > > Dennis, that paddle is used to propel your canoe, not stir up s--t.
> > >
> > > To those who don`t know Dennis, his camp is just as he talks,
extremely
> > > correct. He has what  it takes to make a comfortable camp for his wife
> and
> > > himself. You must remember everyone's level of comfort is different.
> > >
> > > Dennis also has the skills, ability, and knowledge to make do with
whats
> > at
> > > hand.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > PS.. It does my heart good to know I can still ruffle feathers good,
> > when
> > > I
> > > > am a mind to..<BG> And the invitation still goes, I would like to
get
> on
> > > the
> > > > ground with any one of ya's. ('Cept mebby Pendleton)
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> > > >           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> > > >   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> > > >    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:11:12 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Gourds

Walt,

You stated that...........

> The use of the gourd for instance would place D. in the
> camp section I camp it because after meeting and talking with Bill
> Cunningham and his friends at Red Lodge Mountain Man Rendezvous over the
> years.  I grew 4 gourds last year and have incorporated them in my camp
> asit
> is based on the 1836/1836 camp of Jim Bridger and is late enough in the
> period to be represented.  Gourds would not have been present in the
> initial
> years 1807-1825.
    [Sickler, Louis L]
    Can you tell us why?? Just curious.

    Lou Sickler
    Colorado Territory

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:19:10 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp

Walt,
So what do you want Walt, photos? Lessee, there are a few floating around
and I have some myself, somewhere.. Includeing one from the 1994 AMM Easten,
"Most Correct Camp" That earned me the Silver Cup that year.
New Madiosn is mebby 900 people, if you count dogs & kids. I set my camp in
in the Alleghenies, Smokies & Blue Ridge Mtns. Along with some grand, wild
forested areas around here. I haven't had an opportunity to camp in the
Shinin' Mtns for several years, as I am a bladesmith and we don't exactly
rake in a fortune for travel. And what sort of ref. does the AMM crack mean?
Because I am from the East I shouldn't open my mouth? Well, crack a book
bud, the Mtn Men came from somewhere.. Wanna guess where? Doc Newell was
from 50 miles South of here, in Ross, Ohio.... So I wouldn't even wanna
touch that tangent.. There are an awful lot of Eastern Brothers that may
take unbrage with it, along with more than a few I know from the West.
And I believe this "duscussion" started because I queried the AUTHENTICITY
of waxed NYLON. And I don't ever remember seeing it on a trade list from
Ashley, HBC, AFC, Bent or any other I have seen.. So what do you consider
education? The wonders of modern innovations, like artificial sinew &
naugahyde and the notion of if had it they 'd a used it?


Dennnis Miles
AMM#1622 Hiveranno
Party Chief, Doc Newell Party, Ohio



"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Foster <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:D. camp


> Hello John...errrr D.
>
> Getting on the ground.  You did not give me a very detailed description of
> your camp.  Just a few things you are carrying.  BTW how big is New
Madison,
> Ohio.  And what mountains do you set your camp in?  I for one would like
to
> know more and after all this list is dedicated to American Mountain Man
> education is it not?
>
> Walt
> Park City, Montana
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage
>
>
> > Walt Wrote:
> > > So what does D. camp look like?
> >
> >
> > Walt,
> >  Like a camp, a oilcloth tarp over the top if it is a pouring or snowing
> > like a banshee, or no cloth if natural shelter is available.  And nada
> when
> > it's nice. A couple a blankets or the robe. A tinned brass kettle and a
> > canteen usually.  My gun, bag and haversack laying around somewhere in
> > reach.A jug at some AMM doins. Nothin fancy. It is like that if I am by
> > myself, with Gwen,  in a big public doins or in the middle of no damned
> > where. What did you have in mind?
> > Dennis
> >
> > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> >           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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