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hist_text-digest         Tuesday, May 9 2000         Volume 01 : Number 536



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew #1
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:28:15 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:58:23 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

You Go Bro. !
What really chaps me is to see leather clothing, sewn with artificial sinew,
with the 3M glue showing around the seams.  Where do these guys get off
bringing crap like that to a doins ?
LP
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 6:31 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)


Boy, I am on a roll now...
I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell FANTASTIC authentic,
documented items in various forms.All high quality.... But for some reason,
allot of them also list "artificial sinew" on their trade lists.....GO
figger...
D


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Hayden <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

- --- larry pendleton <[e-mail]> wrote:
> You Go Bro. !
> What really chaps me is to see leather clothing, sewn with artificial
> sinew,
> with the 3M glue showing around the seams.  Where do these guys get
> off
> bringing crap like that to a doins ?
> LP
Greetings list.  I hope the above comment was tongue in cheek/ a joke.
How many of us Really think we are doing it 100% Period Correct?
If so answer the following questions.
 Any fillings in your teeth?   have then pulled sans pain killer.
Ever taken antibiotics?   the infection probably killed you.
Any major surgery?   Your still losing....
Any broken bones?   They probably set wrong and you're a cripple.
Tim

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:10:21 -0700
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

I second mikes comments about using heavy linen, waxed instead of
artificial sinew.  It looks better, works better, and is authentic.
Hardtack

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:48:05 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Tim,
No sir !  It was most certainly not tongue in cheek.  The kind of trash seen
in some trade tents these days is a Disgrace.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hayden <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Cc: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis



- --- larry pendleton <[e-mail]> wrote:
> You Go Bro. !
> What really chaps me is to see leather clothing, sewn with artificial
> sinew,
> with the 3M glue showing around the seams.  Where do these guys get
> off
> bringing crap like that to a doins ?
> LP
Greetings list.  I hope the above comment was tongue in cheek/ a joke.
How many of us Really think we are doing it 100% Period Correct?
If so answer the following questions.
Any fillings in your teeth?   have then pulled sans pain killer.
Ever taken antibiotics?   the infection probably killed you.
Any major surgery?   Your still losing....
Any broken bones?   They probably set wrong and you're a cripple.
Tim

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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:34:48 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

D Miles wrote:

> Hawk,
>  Please Sir, do not lessen your libation ration on my account.. But for true
> atonement, you should send me a portion of that ration...Then true atonement
> will be fulfilled and you shall be absolved completely of your transgression
> and be allowed in the portion of Heaven reserved for such folks as Glass,
> 'Ol Gabe & such fella's that led the way...
> D
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
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or tie his fingers up with that stuff.

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:02:40 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

You tell em' Larry! The nerve of those guys! Boy, that jest gets me goin!
They think they can use artificial senue and leave that 3m glue showing
around the seams, geeeez, whats the world comin to? Man, I can't believe
they think they can bring that crap to a doins! Boy that chaps me!

(Tim, now thats an example of saying something tongue in cheek. Some of us
just like to study history and we don't let the little things bother us)

northwoods

- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: May 09, 2000 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


>Tim,
>No sir !  It was most certainly not tongue in cheek.  The kind of trash
seen
>in some trade tents these days is a Disgrace.
>Pendleton
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Hayden <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Cc: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 5:04 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>
>
>
>--- larry pendleton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> You Go Bro. !
>> What really chaps me is to see leather clothing, sewn with artificial
>> sinew,
>> with the 3M glue showing around the seams.  Where do these guys get
>> off
>> bringing crap like that to a doins ?
>> LP
>Greetings list.  I hope the above comment was tongue in cheek/ a joke.
>How many of us Really think we are doing it 100% Period Correct?
>If so answer the following questions.
>Any fillings in your teeth?   have then pulled sans pain killer.
>Ever taken antibiotics?   the infection probably killed you.
>Any major surgery?   Your still losing....
>Any broken bones?   They probably set wrong and you're a cripple.
>Tim
>
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:34:23 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Tim,
 Larry strike a nerve???
Do it right , strive to improve, or give it up.. My tounge is not in my
cheek..D

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:07:29 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Hey Dennis, who says the guys bringing "leather clothing, sewn with
artificial sinew, with the 3M glue showing around the seams" aren't striving
to improve? Give me a break. Larrys statement is the kind of remark that
used  makes me look at a lot of historical reinactors as a bunch of
"wannabes" worrying about  little things and acting as if there
participating in some kind of fashion show. They lose sight of the what real
learning and improvement is. You can have it.

northwoods

- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: May 09, 2000 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


>Tim,
> Larry strike a nerve???
>Do it right , strive to improve, or give it up.. My tounge is not in my
>cheek..D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:16:49 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Northwoods..
 I am not going to get in an argument with you.. BUT, if you are striving to
"do it right" there is NO EXCUSE for the  nylon sinew, 34M glue, and bright
gold chrometans, if you just crack a damned book and do a little
research..There arte too many good resources out there for that... Those I
tend to target are the fella's that say "well, I can't afford brain, linen &
such" Gee, if you are a hunter, that's a by product, if you are not, there
are many a folk or meat processer that will give you or sell you a hide or
three for damned near nothing/ Go to the grocery, spend $5. for some brains
and make your stuff. The ones that continually go year to year with the only
object in mind is to it on their slat cahirs at a "anything goes" 'voo,
drink until they are obnoxious, say "If they had,m they'd a used it" and
bitch about "authenticity nazi's"are the ones I get riled about..
If the shoe fits....
BTW,, Mebby we should get on the ground sometime....
D


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:42:05 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Dennis,
  You hit the nail on the head.  The problem with most of today's "
buckskinners " , is they carry more knives than the number of books they
have read .  I see folks at every doins who are still wearing the same
painters pants and lace'em up mocassins that they started out with 10 years
ago, and it's not because they can't afford better or can't do better.  They
just don't care, and the traders who are selling the made in Taiwan junk
are, in many cases validating those practices.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


Northwoods..
I am not going to get in an argument with you.. BUT, if you are striving to
"do it right" there is NO EXCUSE for the  nylon sinew, 34M glue, and bright
gold chrometans, if you just crack a damned book and do a little
research..There arte too many good resources out there for that... Those I
tend to target are the fella's that say "well, I can't afford brain, linen &
such" Gee, if you are a hunter, that's a by product, if you are not, there
are many a folk or meat processer that will give you or sell you a hide or
three for damned near nothing/ Go to the grocery, spend $5. for some brains
and make your stuff. The ones that continually go year to year with the only
object in mind is to it on their slat cahirs at a "anything goes" 'voo,
drink until they are obnoxious, say "If they had,m they'd a used it" and
bitch about "authenticity nazi's"are the ones I get riled about..
If the shoe fits....
BTW,, Mebby we should get on the ground sometime....
D


"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
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  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:44:45 -0600
From: Bobbie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Dennis demanded:

>Do it right , strive to improve, or give it up.. My tounge is not in my
>cheek..D

    well, well, well.  Here we go again.  I've always bypassed these
storms, but this time I figure I gotta check this out.

   OK, Dennis....  There are reasons that I can never be where you are.
Since you have been so short-tempered about it, I don't think that I owe
you any explanations.  So... with me, what you see is what you get.  You
want me to leave?  I sure don't wanna be where I'm not wanted.

      Bobbie

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:51:29 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Northwoods,
  What good is the learning if you don't put it into practice ?  To improve
in this hobby, or lifestyle, you have to research and then put that
knowledge to use, because you don't really know what you've learned till you
go to the woods and try it.  Then go back, read some more and then try it
again and again.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: northwoods <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis



Hey Dennis, who says the guys bringing "leather clothing, sewn with
artificial sinew, with the 3M glue showing around the seams" aren't striving
to improve? Give me a break. Larrys statement is the kind of remark that
used  makes me look at a lot of historical reinactors as a bunch of
"wannabes" worrying about  little things and acting as if there
participating in some kind of fashion show. They lose sight of the what real
learning and improvement is. You can have it.

northwoods

- -----Original Message-----
From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: May 09, 2000 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis


>Tim,
> Larry strike a nerve???
>Do it right , strive to improve, or give it up.. My tounge is not in my
>cheek..D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:46:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Are you trying to Improve??  Yes you are.  NO PROBLEM!!!!!
Till Trails Cross
Turtle

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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:23:29 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Bobbie,
Don't let them get to you, Who pushed the "HOT BUTTON"anyway? If I wanted to
pick someone appart I could but it only would serve to piss them off. I
would wrather spend my time helping them.
The word for the day is "Lighten up!".
YMOS
Ole
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>From: Bobbie <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>Date: Tue, May 9, 2000, 8:44 PM
>

>Dennis demanded:
>
>>Do it right , strive to improve, or give it up.. My tounge is not in my
>>cheek..D
>
>    well, well, well.  Here we go again.  I've always bypassed these
>storms, but this time I figure I gotta check this out.
>
>   OK, Dennis....  There are reasons that I can never be where you are.
>Since you have been so short-tempered about it, I don't think that I owe
>you any explanations.  So... with me, what you see is what you get.  You
>want me to leave?  I sure don't wanna be where I'm not wanted.
>
>      Bobbie
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:59:02 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Washtahay-
    if'n there are any ladies or children reading this, please just go on to
the following message now.

At 05:04 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>How many of us Really think we are doing it 100% Period Correct?
>If so answer the following questions.
> Any fillings in your teeth?   have then pulled sans pain killer.
>Ever taken antibiotics?   the infection probably killed you.
>Any major surgery?   Your still losing....
>Any broken bones?   They probably set wrong and you're a cripple.
    This is bullshit!!!  No one is saying we are running around with original
bodies and outfits.  Some of us are saying that the more authentic to the
original equipment you are, the more you can accurately recreate the
past--and the more you can learn.
    I don't know when tooth filling started, I've seen it in teeth from the
late Vicotorian era.  Major surgery has been done without killing the
patient since at least 1000 BC.  Most folks who had bones broken managed to
get them set OK-too many healed fractures in the osteological record.
    I've been shot, stabbed, beaten and broken too many times to believe your
nonsense.  Like anyone with a lick of sense, I know that it ain't what the
docs put in you that pulls you through--its what you can find inside.
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:47:51 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Washtahay-
At 09:42 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>  You hit the nail on the head.  The problem with most of today's "
>buckskinners " , is they carry more knives than the number of books they
>have read .  I see folks at every doins who are still wearing the same
>painters pants and lace'em up mocassins that they started out with 10 years
>ago, and it's not because they can't afford better or can't do better.  They
>just don't care,
    am I the only one who would like to compare the names in this thread with
those who spoke in defense of their mocassins with insoles, or fibreglass
canoes?
LongWalker c. du B.


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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:38:07 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Gentelmen,
There are those that play dress up and they have there place. We have
ours,the only opinions that I care about come from this brotherhood. My
favorite thing to do is to walk through one of the park and drop camps with
something verry period and see who figures it out. Most of the time it's
another member of the AMM. Everyone rises to there own level, it's to bad
that there are those that look like a pile of escaped chamise from a car
wash and spend there time looking through the bottom of a bottle. I would
wrather spend time with good folk sharing their knowledge and skill instead
of an argument.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>Date: Tue, May 9, 2000, 10:42 PM
>

>Dennis,
>  You hit the nail on the head.  The problem with most of today's "
>buckskinners " , is they carry more knives than the number of books they
>have read .  I see folks at every doins who are still wearing the same
>painters pants and lace'em up mocassins that they started out with 10 years
>ago, and it's not because they can't afford better or can't do better.  They
>just don't care, and the traders who are selling the made in Taiwan junk
>are, in many cases validating those practices.
>Pendleton
>-----Original Message-----
>From: D Miles <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:16 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis
>
>
>Northwoods..
>I am not going to get in an argument with you.. BUT, if you are striving to
>"do it right" there is NO EXCUSE for the  nylon sinew, 34M glue, and bright
>gold chrometans, if you just crack a damned book and do a little
>research..There arte too many good resources out there for that... Those I
>tend to target are the fella's that say "well, I can't afford brain, linen &
>such" Gee, if you are a hunter, that's a by product, if you are not, there
>are many a folk or meat processer that will give you or sell you a hide or
>three for damned near nothing/ Go to the grocery, spend $5. for some brains
>and make your stuff. The ones that continually go year to year with the only
>object in mind is to it on their slat cahirs at a "anything goes" 'voo,
>drink until they are obnoxious, say "If they had,m they'd a used it" and
>bitch about "authenticity nazi's"are the ones I get riled about..
>If the shoe fits....
>BTW,, Mebby we should get on the ground sometime....
>D
>
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>  "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:55:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew #1

Washtahay-
At 08:50 AM 5/9/00 -0600, you wrote:
>In true survival situations, would you be able to obtain enough sinew to
take
>care of whatever it might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is
typically
>12" long or less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15
feet or
>so in your possibles pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial
sinew
>which is infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a fine
goal, but
> what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it?
    A single deer will provide enough sinew to make a couple bowstrings, a
dozen arrows, a quiver, and a set of mocs--and leave some to spare.  If you
have a deer, you also have rawhide for heavier jobs.  Splicing sinew isn't
hard-read Learry Dean Olsen or John MacPherson on string making.
LongWalker c. du B.



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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:37:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

I don't know what to tell you purists.  Did any of you guys go to your first
'voo naked and unarmed until you learned what to wear?  Do you ride in on
unshod horses?  I agree that everyone should strive to be authentic but this
is supposed to be fun as well as a learning experience.

Y'all argue.  I'll still do as I wish,
    Bluelodge

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:46:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Agreed.

I'll take a page from the SCA on this one. They re-enact the Middle Ages, but they also make a
point of not re-enacting Bubonic Plague.

Try to get it right. At least make an effort, and we'll pretend not to notice the cooler under that
blanket.....


>     I don't know when tooth filling started, I've seen it in teeth from the
> late Vicotorian era.  Major surgery has been done without killing the
> patient since at least 1000 BC.  Most folks who had bones broken managed to
> get them set OK-too many healed fractures in the osteological record.

Kristopher K. Barrett

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Date: 09 May 2000 21:47:34 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Authentic/survival?  Why not let both complement each other? =20

On Wednesday, June 28, 1939, Mike Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bill,
>=A0=A0=A0 I, like Roger, see how we could (and can) justify carrying =
artifical sinew. I just feel
>that under regular "survival" situations all I would have to
>use for building a shelter, making
>a tripod or any putting together any=A0 number of=A0 things are
>sinew, rawhide, cordage (of various kinds) or leather. So by
>trying these and seeing what works and what doesn't, wouldn't
>that be the best for us when called upon to have to use it? I
>hear alot about "survival" gear. And to me, alot of these items
>just don't fit in the catagory. Most are well made, durable
>items that can be the best you can buy (wheather it is a kind
>of Moc, or what is best for sewing stuff up with), but to me
>(and this is only=A0 my opinion) why not tie both worlds together
>and have authenic equipement that is durable, comfortable and replaceable?=

>Like alot of you guys, I am a A.M.M. member. and alot of people have =
choosen sides in
>the authenic/ survival debate. I just say why not be both? Make you and =
your equipment the
>best they can be. And know how to do the things necessary to survive, =
maybe even be
>comfortable. I have friends who have Dyer mocs and they love
>them. But if I ever had to replace them while in the mountains
>(it can happen: a horse or mule scatters everything for a mile
>or too, you loose one of them fording a river or maybe a hungry
>coyote comes in camp and steals them) I would have to use
>leather and sinew (or wangs) to make a new pair.
>Every man has their own opinion on this subject- it is kind of
>like the recurve versus stick bow, we won't mention the new
>fangled wheel bows. And different guys like different things
>at different times. But ,doesn't this make a good subject to hammer out =
and make people
>think????
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mike.
>people.
>Bill Cunningham wrote:
>I was watching that antiques roadshow program one time and a
>guy brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked nice
>and he was sure he had a pot of money. But the antique guy
>showed him that it was factory tanned leather, sewed with
>artificial sinew, which he explained was a hi-tech modern
>product. You could see the guy just wither. But it brought to
>mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, would
>you be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it
>might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is typically 12"
>long or less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you
>carry 15 feet or so in your possibles pouch, or rather,
>perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is infinitely
>long? Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but
>what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it?Bill C
>-----Original Message-----
>From: D Miles <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>To: [e-mail]
><mailto:[e-mail]><[e-mail]
><mailto:[e-mail]>>
>Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
>=A0Boy, I am on a roll now...=A0I also see way to many sutlers out
>there that sell FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in
>various forms.All high quality.... But for some reason, allot
>of them also list "artificial sinew" on their trade
>lists.....GO figger...D=A0=A0"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>=A0 Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>=A0=A0 http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 <http://www.bright.net/~deforge1>
>=A0 "Knowing how is just the beginning"


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:28:28 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:28:15 -0500

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day, including a 660 mile round trip drive to Houston, I might throw in =
my 2 cents worth.  But I am going to bed where I hope I don't dream =
about braziers, nutmeg graters, glue or Democrats.  (I didn't see any =
discussion about Democrats, but I NEVER want to dream about them.)
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff

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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:25:57 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Authenticity Nazis

Geez. . .  Brass-tack a swastika on the side of one rifle and they never
forget it.
At 11:37 PM 5/9/00 EDT, you wrote:
>I don't know what to tell you purists.  Did any of you guys go to your first
>'voo naked and unarmed until you learned what to wear?  Do you ride in on
>unshod horses?
    For what I did long before I went to my first rendezvous, see
<http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/hist_text-arch/1354.html>.
LongWalker c. du B.


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:34:23 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:was saw now its cordage

> or tie his fingers up with that stuff.
>
> Buck
>

sure be worse than one of those chinese finger cuff things and I aint
letting the better half read this she might get a idea or two of what she
could tie up and it aint my fingers---NUFF SAID  but speaking of making
cordage---was down at singing rivers a few weeks ago and a lady had a
thing made out of wood---called it a lussette (SP) tool and i watched her
play with it then looked at the cordage---the darn thing makes square
cordage out of one thread---darndedt thing i ever saw---so I set down
with a piece of charcole and scratched out a pattern---the darn thing
really works---works excelent on cotton and flax threads and can be
operated even with crocette threads ---sure makes a strong piece out of
something that will break from the slightest toug---


as I would say its a wonderment---just a pure wonderment---and I figured
out how to start it and make it work---wish there was a like tool to make
round cordage and weave it the same way---


anyone know if there is a tool like the Lussette (SP) tool that will
brade round cordage---

YMHOSANT
HAWK
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684
E-Mail: [e-mail]   Web site:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce

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