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hist_text-digest        Tuesday, March 14 2000        Volume 01 : Number 496



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning
-áááááá MtMan-List: Elk Pants
-áááááá MtMan-List: animal fat as patch lube
-áááááá MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.
-áááááá MtMan-List: advice for Mathew Porter
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: animal fat as patch lube
-áááááá MtMan-List: costs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
-áááááá MtMan-List: price of a beaver trap
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:02:21 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning

Here's what you do. Take a quantity of liver that equals one half of the
brain you are using. Prepare the brain in your favorite way, then mash it up
with the liver. Mix it in a five gallon plastic bucket with enough water to
make a slurry that will cover your hide. You can put up to three hides in
the bucket. (When you scrape the hide, if you don't get all the scarf skin,
don't worry too much about it - just do the best you can-the liver will do
the rest). Using rubber gloves (the mix will give you blood poisoning in
even the smallest cut or nick on your hands) take a stout stick and stir the
mix and hide about pretty good once an hour during the day. Let it soak
overnight. In the morning pull out the hide (using rubber gloves!) and slick
the mess off it. Tie it into a frame (parachute cord works well for this as
you can untie the knots in winter weather). Pick up a double fist size river
rock or something like it unless you prefer a hammer or hoe, and have a go
at overstriking the hide, covering every inch on both sides. When you have
finished there will be no "buttons" and no scarf skin "freckles."  All that
remains is to smoke it. If the hide doesn't process right, put it back in
the bucket and process it there again. What happens is that the liver has an
enzymatic action that actually breaks down the glue. During soaking it
sublimates through the hide in a sideways motion as it soaks in. Make the
job easier. If you really get with it, you can process 4 to 8 deer hides a
day or 1 to 2 elk hides. Let me know how you make out.
Bill C
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From: Frank Fusco <[e-mail]>
To: MM <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 6:10 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: liver tanning


>    On one of those TV antique appraisal show, I heard an 'expert' mention
>that a particular Indian artifact may have been "liver tanned".
>    Does anyone know anything about liver tanning. I have never heard of
>this. Does liver do the same, as good, job as brain tanning.
>    Livers are larger and easier to acquire than brains.  Can any liver be
>used? Example: can beef liver be used in deer hides?
>    Any input on this would be helpful.
>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:55:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning

Bill....I've got a couple raw beaver hides I'd like to tan with the hair on.
Sounds like the liver/brain would make the hair slip. Any ideas?
Ymos, Steve

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:28:44 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning

Nary a one! I've never used the liver on hair on, though I've been tempted.
It might work, but I'd try it on a rabbit or something I didn't care about
first.
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: liver tanning


>Bill....I've got a couple raw beaver hides I'd like to tan with the hair
on.
>Sounds like the liver/brain would make the hair slip. Any ideas?
>Ymos, Steve
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:35:32 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
that no longer fit due to weight reduction.

Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details


@

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:50:50 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: animal fat as patch lube

    Good question and one that most ask at one time or another.
    I have used a bunch of different lubes over the years, modern
store-bought, my own concoctions including many formulas for 'moose milk',
and different animal fats.
    Hard to say which is 'best'. I have used whale oil [many years ago,
don't want to start that argument again], bear grease and others. The
absolute worst is chicken fat. Take my word for it, don't try it.  A lot of
the animal fats, rendered, are OK in warm weather but get too hard when cold
to be practical for use.
    Like Lathi said, try different ones, find one you like.  Most will work
to a lesser or better degree. I mostly use a mixture of paraffin or beeswax
and whatever other veggy oil suits my fancy at the time.
Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas


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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:05:00 -0600
From: "Matthew Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.

Hello round the fire,
    I need some help from you folks.  I have joined this discussion and I
have also made some posts but now it is time for me to really get involved,
you see I'm not a skinner yet.  I want to start out on the right foot so for
the past 3 years I have been doing all the research I can.  I need help
putting together an outfit.  I want to portray a company man that has
recently left St. Louis.  My reason for this is that if he recently left St.
Louis, then he might still be wearing his fabric clothing.  I now that most
free trappers wore mostly leather and skins.  Leather and skins is a little
too hot down here in Arkansas and fabrics are cheaper (I don't know how to
brain tan yet).  I already have a .32 cal. plains rifle that my uncle made
and gave to me so that cuts down expenses considerably (I later want to get
a larger caliber poor boy rifle).  I am also thinking about joining a local
group called the Early Arkansaw Reenactors Association (If anyone on the
list is a member please respond).  Thanks for the time away from your busy
schedules.

YMOS
Matt
  Porter


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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:44:52 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.

Matt,

Welcome. One of the first pieces of advice you might get would be to pour
over the BofB series put out by the publishers of Muzzle Loader Mag. Then
you might take a look ( a careful look) at some of the Mountain Man Sketch
Books, particularly the latest one "Sketch Book 1837" I think is what it is
called. If that don't show you what the well dressed company man out of St.
Lou was wearing then for starters I'll offer my opinion.

You would probably be wearing a simple cotton or linen hand sewn shirt with
front slit to chest and moderate collar, full sleeves and cuffed. That would
be stuffed into a pair of heavy cotton or linen hand sewn knee britches or
tight legged pantaloons. Both would be more form fitting than in colonial
times with a two button drop front fly or less commonly a button fly. The
pantaloons might have a self strap under the arch of your foot. Over the
shirt you might have a hand sewn waist length vest of wool or heavy linen.
Over that you might be wearing a fitted wool coat for colder weather (called
a frock coat) with lapels and collar and flap covered pockets. On your feet
if you had the funds you might be wearing hand made lace up boots of
moderate height or mocs of the vamp/puckertoe design if you could not afford
boots or if you were a bit more woods wise. You would have a light colored
low crown hat of modest brim width on your head. And probably be in the
custom of wearing a scarf about your neck as a cravat.

You would carry your bed and worldly belongings in a bed roll carried behind
on one strap across your chest and opposite your ball bag and horn. You
might have a haversack with misc. items in it hung from a strap on the
opposite side of your bullet bag. You'd have a simple butcher knife in a
simple sheath on a fairly narrow belt along with a poled hatchet. One of the
first leather items you would acquire would be brain tanned leggings to
protect those hard to come by cloth pantaloons or knee britches. Well, in my
opinion, your looking pretty good to me. <G> I remain....

YMOS
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:07:08 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186/bp4.htm
Mathew,
Click on the address above, which will take you to Lee Newbill's web =
site, specifically the "getting started" section.  There is some mighty =
good advice there.  Good luck and, above all, have fun.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Matthew Porter <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.


> Hello round the fire,
>     I need some help from you folks.  I have joined this discussion =
and I
> have also made some posts but now it is time for me to really get =
involved,
> you see I'm not a skinner yet.  I want to start out on the right foot =
so for
> the past 3 years I have been doing all the research I can.  I need =
help
> putting together an outfit.  I want to portray a company man that has
> recently left St. Louis.  My reason for this is that if he recently =
left St.
> Louis, then he might still be wearing his fabric clothing.  I now that =
most
> free trappers wore mostly leather and skins.  Leather and skins is a =
little
> too hot down here in Arkansas and fabrics are cheaper (I don't know =
how to
> brain tan yet).  I already have a .32 cal. plains rifle that my uncle =
made
> and gave to me so that cuts down expenses considerably (I later want =
to get
> a larger caliber poor boy rifle).  I am also thinking about joining a =
local
> group called the Early Arkansaw Reenactors Association (If anyone on =
the
> list is a member please respond).  Thanks for the time away from your =
busy
> schedules.
>=20
> YMOS
> Matt
>   Porter
>=20
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:39:14 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: advice for Mathew Porter

Mathew
Here is the entire text of the letter to newcomers that is included in =
edited form in Lee Newbill's web page. Take it as I originally wrote it =
several years ago, as a guide for a newcomer, not a bible to be held as =
holy writ.  It's just advice.
Don't hesitate to ask the history list for help.  You will find that =
most members here are generous with their time and good advice.  Most of =
all, continue to do you own research, reading first or second person =
accounts whenever possible.  Trappers' journals are wonderful and some =
can be accessed on Dean's web page as can an enourmous amount of other =
good information.  Just click on the address at the bottom of this post. =
  There is a huge archive of past correspondence there, too.  Work those =
like a gold mine.=20
Try to avoid relying wholly on books that offer more opinion than =
verifiable facts.  Check out the bibliography at the end of any good =
article.  There will usually be  another gold mine of books and other =
references to look up and study.
Finally, lots of "facts" are, in fact, "rendezvous lore" that were =
inaccurate to begin with, and have been passed from one person to =
another so much that they have developed an aura of authenticity that is =
undeserved.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff




Letter to Newcomers
By Lanney Ratcliff

I have given the same advice to numerous pilgrims. DO NOT SPEND A BUNCH =
OF MONEY TO GO TO YOUR FIRST RENDEZVOUS!!

A weekend pre-1840 club rendezvous will have a multitude of different =
styles of dress, accoutrements, shelters, guns --- everything---for you =
to see. Call a club member (preferably an officer) and ask that person =
to put you in contact with a club member (s) near your home. Visit with =
that person and find out more particulars about that club. Ask him to =
help you outfit yourself in a "generic", lowcost set of clothes. Find =
out if a pair of boots or moccasins you might already own is acceptable =
at that club's doin's. That sort of thing.

You might spend $12 on Book of Buckskinning Vol.1 and read it. It will =
give you a reasonably useable overview of buckskinning. However, don't =
make the mistake of treating it as holy writ...just a guide. Contact =
Scurlock Publishing Co. Inc, Dept B7, Rt 5, Box 347-M, Texarkana, Texas =
75501, 800-228-6389.

Most clubs are pretty forgiving of newcomers and visitors so long as =
they display the right spirit and show up in a reasonably acceptable =
outfit. Some clubs have a supply of clothes to loan to a pilgrim, =
although you might find most of the loaners to be outgrown kids' stuff. =
At any rate, a first timer's clothes should be as non-specific as =
possible---something just about anyone would have worn in the time from =
about 1840 back to the turn of the eighteenth century...cloth trousers, =
cotton pullover, dropshoulder shirt, wide leather belt with a simple =
buckle and (at most rendezvous) round or square toe, low heel leather =
boots with the tops kept under the trouser bottoms, or moccasins.

Get a natural colored canvas haversack to carry a spoon, a tin pie plate =
and a tin (or plain crockery) cup. Avoid blue, green, red or any other =
color speckled enamel ware. Period.

People will darn near compete to feed you (if you're not a jerk or =
something), but it is considered good manners to provide your own place =
setting, as it were. Ask your club contact his advice on a bedroll and =
to help you find someone you can camp with. A good wool blanket rolled =
into an 8X8 or 10X10 square of white canvas with a smaller canvas ground =
cloth is a good start. Find out how to set a diamond shelter with the =
square of canvas or stretch it over a rope or wooden ridgepole to make a =
simple "A" frame tent.

Most clubs allow very nearly anything in a camp so long as it is kept =
covered--completely-- and will permit a car in camp for a short time to =
unload on Friday (or even early Saturday). So don't be shy about =
bringing a cooler with drinks and fresh food and a sleeping pad of some =
sort.

Bring food that doesn't need to be cooked or that can be cooked simply =
(on a stick) over a fire. Wander around camp and observe the various =
cooks in action, and come better equipped next time.

Don't buy a gun before going to rendezvous for the first time. If you =
must carry somethig, carry a walking staff. It will make you look a =
little like Moses and costs essentially nothing. There will be guns =
there of every description and if you let it be known that you would =
like to talk about guns, you will find people falling all over =
themselves to talk about guns, to show you theirs and to let you shoot =
them.

Talk with these same people about their clothes and why they dress the =
way they do. You will soon see the various times and places that are =
represented. If one particular style appeals to you, find out all you =
can about that style...is it actually period and, if so, specifically =
when and where that style of dress was common. If you are certain that =
you have found a suitable style of dress, find out what gun would be =
appropriate to carry. Don't make this decision in haste. Take your =
time...your generic stuff will always be correct.

When you are resonably certain about a particular style, do the research =
necessary to get yourself a good, sturdy, not too showey outfit. Then =
concern yourself about a gun. If you decide , for instance, that the =
French & Indian War period (1756) is where your interest lies, you don't =
want to suddenly remember that you already spent a small fortune on a =
top quality percussion mountain rifle suitable for the Rocky Mountains =
in the 1830's. Then you will have to once again explain to She Who Must =
Be Obeyed how important it is for you to spend $1200 on a gun that only =
shoots once. Waugh!! (you CAN buy excellent guns for a lot less than =
$1200, by the way). However, when you have decided...for sure...where =
your interest lies, then buy the best gun your purse will allow. In =
fact, strain it a little. Avoid cheap goods---always.

Ask the people with the best guns where they got theirs and if the same =
gunmaker's name keeps coming up go find that gunmaker. Even then, don't =
rush to buy a gun. Look at a pile of them before buying one--find out =
what a good gun is and buy the best you can afford. If someone tries =
really hard to sell you a particular gun be aware that he probably is =
more interested in selling you what he is trying to get rid of rather =
than trying to sell you what you need.

Make yourself acquainted with longtime members and ask each of them =
about their buckskinner library. Get a list of commonly recommended =
books (get the title, author and ISBN number---your bookseller will =
thank you) and build a quality library. Don't let anybody tell you that =
the complete set of Book of Buckskinning is all you need. Get them, for =
sure, but don't stop there.

Pardon my long winded reply to your query. I hope you find some good =
guidance in your pursuit of this truly wonderful hobby---that's what it =
is, you know. However,if you are lucky you will find yourself making =
buckskinning an integral part of your lifestyle, your daily conduct, =
even your home's decor. You will find that you will have greater =
confidence and pride in yourself and your abilities. Most people are too =
timid to do what you will soon be able to do without thinking twice.

Good Luck,
Lanney Ratcliff

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:47:28 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.

That is as fine a description/piece of advice as I recall ever seeing. The
only thing I might add would be that the leather leggings could also be of
factory tanned leather or, more rarely, even pieces of left over heavy
fabric.
Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.


>Matt,
>
>Welcome. One of the first pieces of advice you might get would be to pour
>over the BofB series put out by the publishers of Muzzle Loader Mag. Then
>you might take a look ( a careful look) at some of the Mountain Man Sketch
>Books, particularly the latest one "Sketch Book 1837" I think is what it is
>called. If that don't show you what the well dressed company man out of St.
>Lou was wearing then for starters I'll offer my opinion.
>
>You would probably be wearing a simple cotton or linen hand sewn shirt with
>front slit to chest and moderate collar, full sleeves and cuffed. That
would
>be stuffed into a pair of heavy cotton or linen hand sewn knee britches or
>tight legged pantaloons. Both would be more form fitting than in colonial
>times with a two button drop front fly or less commonly a button fly. The
>pantaloons might have a self strap under the arch of your foot. Over the
>shirt you might have a hand sewn waist length vest of wool or heavy linen.
>Over that you might be wearing a fitted wool coat for colder weather
(called
>a frock coat) with lapels and collar and flap covered pockets. On your feet
>if you had the funds you might be wearing hand made lace up boots of
>moderate height or mocs of the vamp/puckertoe design if you could not
afford
>boots or if you were a bit more woods wise. You would have a light colored
>low crown hat of modest brim width on your head. And probably be in the
>custom of wearing a scarf about your neck as a cravat.
>
>You would carry your bed and worldly belongings in a bed roll carried
behind
>on one strap across your chest and opposite your ball bag and horn. You
>might have a haversack with misc. items in it hung from a strap on the
>opposite side of your bullet bag. You'd have a simple butcher knife in a
>simple sheath on a fairly narrow belt along with a poled hatchet. One of
the
>first leather items you would acquire would be brain tanned leggings to
>protect those hard to come by cloth pantaloons or knee britches. Well, in
my
>opinion, your looking pretty good to me. <G> I remain....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:52:46 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: animal fat as patch lube

As a law enforcement officer years ago I learned that if you regularly kept
the weapon clean with hot water, then thoroughly dried, it needed no oil at
all. All those white glove inspections of firearms were to see if the
inspector could get even the tiniest smudge on those fine white gloves. .
.if he did you had had it. Using hot water and thorough drying there was
never a speck of rust.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Frank Fusco <[e-mail]>
To: MM <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:51 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: animal fat as patch lube


>    Good question and one that most ask at one time or another.
>    I have used a bunch of different lubes over the years, modern
>store-bought, my own concoctions including many formulas for 'moose milk',
>and different animal fats.
>    Hard to say which is 'best'. I have used whale oil [many years ago,
>don't want to start that argument again], bear grease and others. The
>absolute worst is chicken fat. Take my word for it, don't try it.  A lot of
>the animal fats, rendered, are OK in warm weather but get too hard when
cold
>to be practical for use.
>    Like Lathi said, try different ones, find one you like.  Most will work
>to a lesser or better degree. I mostly use a mixture of paraffin or beeswax
>and whatever other veggy oil suits my fancy at the time.
>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:46:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: costs

Okay guys,
I need a favor.  I need to know how much a beaver trap would have run for in
around 1810, or the early 1800s.
Thanks,
Rick

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:10:31 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner.

Bill,

Thanks for the support. I agree with your addition just wasn't sure what to
suggest as an alternative to BT that is available today.
What kind of factory tanned leather are you referring to? Might as well give
Matt our best. <G> I remain.....

YMOS
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:02:26 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

What size? How big were you?

YMOS
"Dull Hawk"
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From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants


>
>
> Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
> that no longer fit due to weight reduction.
>
> Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details
>
>
> @
>
> [e-mail]
>
> --
> A.K.A.  Penny Pincher
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:31:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

Waist was for a 36,37, 38 Kind of Guy

Leg Inseem was 34

I only worn them when i bought them,
and went on a Diet.

It worked

Pp
>
>What size? How big were you?
>
>YMOS
>"Dull Hawk"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:35 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
>
>
>>
>>
>> Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
>> that no longer fit due to weight reduction.
>>
>> Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details
>>
>>
>> @
>>
>> [e-mail]
>>
>> --
>> A.K.A.  Penny Pincher
>>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:09:33 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: price of a beaver trap

does anyone know the price of a beaver trap around 1810 in st.louis are
anywere nearby stlouis.also is there a web site for morgans store in
kaskaskia are any other store like his .looking for what the store carriedand
cost.

traphand
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rick petzoldt

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:07:31 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

Heck with the pants...what diet did you go on!  <VBG>

Frank (also a 38 guy)


"BRUCE S. DE LIS" wrote:

> Waist was for a 36,37, 38 Kind of Guy
>
> Leg Inseem was 34
>
> I only worn them when i bought them,
> and went on a Diet.
>
> It worked
>
> Pp
> >
> >What size? How big were you?
> >
> >YMOS
> >"Dull Hawk"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:35 PM
> >Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
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> >>
> >> Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:18:01 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

I asked him the same thing.  You don't want to know.
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: Frank <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants


> Heck with the pants...what diet did you go on!  <VBG>
>=20
> Frank (also a 38 guy)
>=20
>=20
> "BRUCE S. DE LIS" wrote:
>=20
> > Waist was for a 36,37, 38 Kind of Guy
> >
> > Leg Inseem was 34
> >
> > I only worn them when i bought them,
> > and went on a Diet.
> >
> > It worked
> >
> > Pp
> > >
> > >What size? How big were you?
> > >
> > >YMOS
> > >"Dull Hawk"
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
> > >To: <[e-mail]>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:35 PM
> > >Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
> > >> that no longer fit due to weight reduction.
> > >>
> > >> Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> @
> > >>
> > >> [e-mail]
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:19:55 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants

USMC Boot Camp Diet..

Three Times A Day....

1 Hard Boild Egg
1 Slice Wheat Bread
1 Level Ice Cream Scoop cottage Cheeze
1 1/3 Qt Skim Milk..

three times a day...

>
>Heck with the pants...what diet did you go on!  <VBG>
>
>Frank (also a 38 guy)
>
>
>"BRUCE S. DE LIS" wrote:
>
>> Waist was for a 36,37, 38 Kind of Guy
>>
>> Leg Inseem was 34
>>
>> I only worn them when i bought them,
>> and went on a Diet.
>>
>> It worked
>>
>> Pp
>> >
>> >What size? How big were you?
>> >
>> >YMOS
>> >"Dull Hawk"
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:35 PM
>> >Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser
>> >> that no longer fit due to weight reduction.
>> >>
>> >> Would like to sell.  E-mail me off list for details
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> @
>> >>
>> >> [e-mail]
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> A.K.A.  Penny Pincher
>> >>
>> >>
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