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hist_text-digest       Monday, February 7 2000       Volume 01 : Number 462



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-áááááá MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
-áááááá MtMan-List: Thanks  Re: Mecate
-áááááá MtMan-List: pickled & dried fish
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bridger Nickname (Old Gabe)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
-áááááá MtMan-List: wool leggins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: wool leggins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lance, Susan, Linda & Dog 1979
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 02:29:04 -0500
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??

In the Nov-Dec issue of backwoodsman magazine is a recipe for pickled fish,
has anyone tried this?  Do you eat it as is, or cook it. For long term
keeping they suggest a high acid content vinegar, is it available today?  Is
the soaking to remove the vinegar taste necessary? I like vinegary tasting
foods.

Dried fish, I use dry spices and liquid smoke (no smoker) to make dried
fish. I use walleye fish. I don`t find the strong fishy taste of the walleye
objectionable. Anyone have any dried fish recipes to share. I use my
dehydrator to dry the fish.

If this is too far off topic please reply off list.   [e-mail]

                                                  THANKS
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio


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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:51:22 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??

For many years we always pickled fish in the spring. We did it with both
cooked and un-cooked fish. I have a couple recipes written down if you'd
like to see them. It's basically fish, sugar, onions (I like lots),
distilled vinegar, spices, and some wine. Just the mention of it makes my
mouth water and brings back some good memories.
Also, obtaining the fish in the spring as soon as they come up the cricks
and rivers is one of the funnest parts.We always used "sucker" just a rough
fish that really isn't the best to eat any other way because of all the
small bones. But the pickling dissolves the bones.

northwoods

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Hunt <[e-mail]>
To: AMM discussion <[e-mail]>
Date: February 06, 2000 1:31 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish off topic ??


>
>In the Nov-Dec issue of backwoodsman magazine is a recipe for pickled fish,
>has anyone tried this?  Do you eat it as is, or cook it. For long term
>keeping they suggest a high acid content vinegar, is it available today?
Is
>the soaking to remove the vinegar taste necessary? I like vinegary tasting
>foods.
>
>Dried fish, I use dry spices and liquid smoke (no smoker) to make dried
>fish. I use walleye fish. I don`t find the strong fishy taste of the
walleye
>objectionable. Anyone have any dried fish recipes to share. I use my
>dehydrator to dry the fish.
>
>If this is too far off topic please reply off list.   [e-mail]
>
>                                                  THANKS
>John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
>Longhunter
>Mountainman
>southwest  Ohio
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:12:42 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??

John,
As a subject, this is better than most. I don't have any recipe's, but I
know that the Norvegians have been using dried fish for at least 1000 years.
When I grew up in Denmark we used pickeled fish all the time, infact I can
purchase them in most supermarkets here (pickeled hearing in cream) and
such. Ole # 718
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>From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
>To: "AMM discussion" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??
>Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 12:29 AM
>

>
>In the Nov-Dec issue of backwoodsman magazine is a recipe for pickled fish,
>has anyone tried this?  Do you eat it as is, or cook it. For long term
>keeping they suggest a high acid content vinegar, is it available today?  Is
>the soaking to remove the vinegar taste necessary? I like vinegary tasting
>foods.
>
>Dried fish, I use dry spices and liquid smoke (no smoker) to make dried
>fish. I use walleye fish. I don`t find the strong fishy taste of the walleye
>objectionable. Anyone have any dried fish recipes to share. I use my
>dehydrator to dry the fish.
>
>If this is too far off topic please reply off list.   [e-mail]
>
>                                                  THANKS
>John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
>Longhunter
>Mountainman
>southwest  Ohio
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:11:14 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??

Northwoods,
    Many people think that there is no way they would ever eat "rough" fish",
and I was one for many years. But one thing happened to me to change my mind. In
high school, the girl I dated, who I later married, her mom had me over for
dinner. It was a simple, but nice dinner of  salmon patties, peas and cole slaw.
Never had salmon patties taste so good! Afterwards, her mom told me that what I
ate was carp. Carp! Never would have guessed it. She canned this fish, and like
you the bones dissolves. Great stuff. I probably wouldn't put that much efffort
in it, but she could have me over anytime for dinner- too bad I 'm not with her
daughter anymore.
                                                               mike..

northwoods wrote:

> For many years we always pickled fish in the spring. We did it with both
> cooked and un-cooked fish. I have a couple recipes written down if you'd
> like to see them. It's basically fish, sugar, onions (I like lots),
> distilled vinegar, spices, and some wine. Just the mention of it makes my
> mouth water and brings back some good memories.
> Also, obtaining the fish in the spring as soon as they come up the cricks
> and rivers is one of the funnest parts.We always used "sucker" just a rough
> fish that really isn't the best to eat any other way because of all the
> small bones. But the pickling dissolves the bones.
>
> northwoods
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hunt <[e-mail]>
> To: AMM discussion <[e-mail]>
> Date: February 06, 2000 1:31 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish off topic ??
>
> >
> >In the Nov-Dec issue of backwoodsman magazine is a recipe for pickled fish,
> >has anyone tried this?  Do you eat it as is, or cook it. For long term
> >keeping they suggest a high acid content vinegar, is it available today?
> Is
> >the soaking to remove the vinegar taste necessary? I like vinegary tasting
> >foods.
> >
> >Dried fish, I use dry spices and liquid smoke (no smoker) to make dried
> >fish. I use walleye fish. I don`t find the strong fishy taste of the
> walleye
> >objectionable. Anyone have any dried fish recipes to share. I use my
> >dehydrator to dry the fish.
> >
> >If this is too far off topic please reply off list.   [e-mail]
> >
> >                                                  THANKS
> >John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
> >Longhunter
> >Mountainman
> >southwest  Ohio
> >
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:31:06 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pickled fish and dried fish  off topic ??

John Hunt wrote:
>
> In the Nov-Dec issue of backwoodsman magazine is a recipe for pickled fish,
> has anyone tried this?  Do you eat it as is, or cook it.

Big John,

I don't have the recipe you are asking about but I have one that my
mother has passed on for pickling salmon and steelhead. It is sweet and
vinegary at the same time. I bet you can't eat just one bite. Since this
is a bit off topic, if anyone wants to contact me off list I will type
up the recipe for them. It has to be kept in the refrigerator but it is
good. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:30:12 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Thanks  Re: Mecate

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Since some of the members of this list helped me with advise about =
building a horsehair rope I thought I would report that I now have a 25 =
foot =BD inch mecate of my own manufacture. It was an educational =
stretch for me. If modern(relatively so anyway) packer Joe Back is to be =
believed, rope was always a precious commodity after an extended stay in =
the mountains. There wasn't anything in the process of making this rope =
that two men with a few spare hours could not have done.

Granted this rope isn't very pretty or even, but it is functional and =
fairly strong. And it is one more authentic piece that I can provide for =
myself. With the help of my wife. <G>

Thank You to those who so generously helped me.

Humbly

WY




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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:33:58 -0500
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: pickled & dried fish

     Northwoods;

     I would appreciate you sharing your pickled fish recipes. Do you eat
them as is or do you cook them after taking them from the pickling?

     I know what suckers are. When I was a kid we would go to the crick with
a seine and get craws and suckers during the spring. We would make a camp
and boil craws and fry the fish in an ole rusty skillet, that we found in
the local dump. We made tarter sauce from mayonnaise and sweet pickle
relish. Sauce for craws was ketchup and horseradish mix together.  Although
seining fish was illegal we were young enough that if we got caught all we
would get would be a chewing out.

     Also close by was a hobo camp. We shared our catch with them and they
would give us cigarettes. That is also where I got my first taste of wine.
At 55yrs now and thinking back 45yrs ago are many fawn memories. Youth, ah
how sweet it was.


John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio


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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:49:02 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!

Would you be willing to sell the wool leggings seperately? If so how much
and approximately what size are they?

"Dull Hawk"
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From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!


> If anyone is interested, I have a Cheyane war shirt copied out of the Cody
> museum for sale. along with a pair of wool leggins and breach. Ole #718
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:22:59 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!

"Dull Hawk"
I had not thought about selling them seperatly, however they would fit
anyone up to a 33" waiste with normal theighs. If you have skinny theighs so
much the better.
The following is a brief discription.The Wool is red with royal blue piping
on the edges. They were made by Mr. Layne Tom who is a Shoshone Banock from
Fort Hall, Idaho. The wool is Scotish.
Make me an offer send it to [e-mail]
Ole #718
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>From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 11:49 AM
>

>Would you be willing to sell the wool leggings seperately? If so how much
>and approximately what size are they?
>
>"Dull Hawk"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
>To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:11 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>
>
>> If anyone is interested, I have a Cheyane war shirt copied out of the Cody
>> museum for sale. along with a pair of wool leggins and breach. Ole #718
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:28:06 -0600
From: farseer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?

It sure ain't for my eye-sight.  I'm near blind as a bat without my glasses.
=)

It comes from my  days of wargaming with lead miniatures.   Everything from
elves and dwarves, to marines in powered armor, to modern tanks and
helicopters.    Mostly, anything itty bitty and fun to paint.  I've been
collecting and painting them since  the 70's.   Played all through high
school and college.  Shoot, I still game every now and again. My favorite
army was an army of elves, and the title for the general was a "Farseer".
I liked the name, so I used it for my email address.   I still like to
collect and paint lead miniatures, right now I'm working on an 80mm Mountain
Man on horseback.  I'll probably post the pics when I get it done, if
anybody cares.   I'm trying to figure out a better name to work with, 'cause
Farseer seems a tad unusual, to say the least.


Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Walt Foster
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 11:56 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
>
>
> How did the name of Farseer come about?
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:18:57 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

 Hello around this American Mountain Man camp fire after such a warm winters
day.  I have been think about what was posted and I would like to thank
everybody who replied on list and off line.  Everyone who posted about not
needing a mountain man handle had one.  Some said most did not have names
like that and used their given christian names.  Evidence shows that it
worked both ways.  And names stemmed from collegues, enemies and related
Indian trading friends.  Looked at in this light.  I would like to think
that camp names at this campfire are proper and respectful of the tradition
whether you would use a camp name or not.  But those that choose to and
those that are looking for a certain and very particular kind of name....A
Mountain Man name.

I think it makes a difference if you give yourself a name because that is
more in the nature of a quest whereas some of this names like badgerhole are
as old as the nature of the mountain man because in mountain man talk a
badgerhole means home.  As in the example of Davy Jacksonhole.  I come by
that name after crawling out of the Crow Sweat Lodge set up on the banks of
the Little Bighorn River in south central Montana.  I had been listening to
my Crow friends talking with their clan brothers in Crow catching a few
words here and there since before dark when I was sent to light the evening
fire before the sun went down.  2 groups passed through the lodge when I was
motion in.  I took my place at the back of the lodge along side my old
friend Bob Little Light and listened to Kennard Real Bird talk to me about
can I hear what they are saying?  They are talking about you.  The Elders
present have been talking about you all night and they still are.  Can you
hear them out there he said in American English which I can understand
completely.  The Prayer Leader Gordon Real Bird said we are going to adopt
you Walter.  I watch as the last of the white hot glowing rocks were placed
in the hole by the door.  The front door was closed and as we went into
darkness Gordon Real Bird said.  "I am going to burn this cedar it will
purify the air and then I am going to say a prayer and we will begin.  If it
gets to hot for you get flat on the ground."  When the water comes by take a
drink and spill some on your head.  When you are finished pass the dipper on
to the next man.  Gordon made his first pray as he was spilling water on the
intense white hot heat glowing rocks and the wave of heat hit me.  Gordon
said use the chokecherry switch to hit any sore spots or where it gets to
hot.

I struck my first sore spot and switched to all over as the first 4 dippers
had been placed.  The heat caused me to sag.  I lost track during the next
round as I got down fully on the ground.  I kept my face to the ground as
the searing heat sank into my back around my ribcage and other equally high
surfaces.  I bit my lip to keep from crying out.  As the last of the dippers
was poured we lay soaking in the heat.  As the chatter picked up in American
English I was introduce to my adopting brother Vincent Crooked Arm.  Then it
seamed like a million dippers went on the now dull red glowing rocks.  As it
approach the point to where I knew I could not stand it anylong the back
door was lifted up and Gordon said.  Go to the river then come back and sit
down.

I went slowly the 35 yards to the riverbank and gently down the bank into
the water with a whoosh and shock as my pores tighten up and the stars in
the sky looking east appeared flashed and pulsed with the swaying of my body
standing in the current of the Little Bighorn River.

I left the river and went to the back to dress then I went to my seat by the
fire.  I was out of words and could barely listen when I heard Richard Real
Bird say.  We have been calling you by this name all day as we talked about
adopting you because of your experiences.  Now after the sweat we are going
to call you badgerhole that is your mountain man name and our Clan name for
you.

That is one way to get a name and that is how I got mine an American
Mountain Man name.
Badgerhole
Park City, Montana



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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:45:20 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!

Well, that counts me out of the bidding. I'm not saying I'm fat, just big
boned, REALY big round bones! Okay, I guess I AM saying I'm fat, so what?
Anyway, I would like to have some wool leggin's.

"Dull Hawk"
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From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!


> "Dull Hawk"
> I had not thought about selling them seperatly, however they would fit
> anyone up to a 33" waiste with normal theighs. If you have skinny theighs
so
> much the better.
> The following is a brief discription.The Wool is red with royal blue
piping
> on the edges. They were made by Mr. Layne Tom who is a Shoshone Banock
from
> Fort Hall, Idaho. The wool is Scotish.
> Make me an offer send it to [e-mail]
> Ole #718
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> >From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
> >Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 11:49 AM
> >
>
> >Would you be willing to sell the wool leggings seperately? If so how much
> >and approximately what size are they?
> >
> >"Dull Hawk"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
> >To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:11 PM
> >Subject: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
> >
> >
> >> If anyone is interested, I have a Cheyane war shirt copied out of the
Cody
> >> museum for sale. along with a pair of wool leggins and breach. Ole #718
> >>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:50:16 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bridger Nickname (Old Gabe)

Jim Bridger (Stanley Vestal) , p.55
Jim Bridger (J. Cecil Alter), p.110
Joe Meek (Stanley Vestal), p.5

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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:11:09 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

Walt,

That was a GREAT story and I can't think of a better way to receive a
name. Thanks for sharing.


"Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party Pilgrim

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 04:32:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: wool leggins

Ole, old friend!  After seeing you at the Bridger
doin's, I can see why you are selling the outfit.
Hope you are wintering as well this year as you
appeared to have been for the past few!  Dog
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:32:55 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool leggins

Hey Dog,
If I were a horse, id be what they call an easy keeper. How the heck are
you?
Ole #718
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>Subject: MtMan-List: wool leggins
>Date: Mon, Feb 7, 2000, 5:32 AM
>

>Ole, old friend!  After seeing you at the Bridger
>doin's, I can see why you are selling the outfit.
>Hope you are wintering as well this year as you
>appeared to have been for the past few!  Dog
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:37:05 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!

Well now you know the reason for selling the outfit, not because I don't
like them but I use to be smaller when I was younger. Ole #718
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>From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 8:45 PM
>

>Well, that counts me out of the bidding. I'm not saying I'm fat, just big
>boned, REALY big round bones! Okay, I guess I AM saying I'm fat, so what?
>Anyway, I would like to have some wool leggin's.
>
>"Dull Hawk"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:22 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>
>
>> "Dull Hawk"
>> I had not thought about selling them seperatly, however they would fit
>> anyone up to a 33" waiste with normal theighs. If you have skinny theighs
>so
>> much the better.
>> The following is a brief discription.The Wool is red with royal blue
>piping
>> on the edges. They were made by Mr. Layne Tom who is a Shoshone Banock
>from
>> Fort Hall, Idaho. The wool is Scotish.
>> Make me an offer send it to [e-mail]
>> Ole #718
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>> >From: "Douglas Hepner" <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>> >Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 11:49 AM
>> >
>>
>> >Would you be willing to sell the wool leggings seperately? If so how much
>> >and approximately what size are they?
>> >
>> >"Dull Hawk"
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
>> >To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
>> >Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:11 PM
>> >Subject: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale!
>> >
>> >
>> >> If anyone is interested, I have a Cheyane war shirt copied out of the
>Cody
>> >> museum for sale. along with a pair of wool leggins and breach. Ole #718
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:39:23 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

Todd,
The name you have fit's you. I earned my name the usual way "Litle Big
Mouth" someday ill tell you the story. Ole # 718
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>From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
>Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 8:18 PM
>

> Hello around this American Mountain Man camp fire after such a warm winters
>day.  I have been think about what was posted and I would like to thank
>everybody who replied on list and off line.  Everyone who posted about not
>needing a mountain man handle had one.  Some said most did not have names
>like that and used their given christian names.  Evidence shows that it
>worked both ways.  And names stemmed from collegues, enemies and related
>Indian trading friends.  Looked at in this light.  I would like to think
>that camp names at this campfire are proper and respectful of the tradition
>whether you would use a camp name or not.  But those that choose to and
>those that are looking for a certain and very particular kind of name....A
>Mountain Man name.
>
>I think it makes a difference if you give yourself a name because that is
>more in the nature of a quest whereas some of this names like badgerhole are
>as old as the nature of the mountain man because in mountain man talk a
>badgerhole means home.  As in the example of Davy Jacksonhole.  I come by
>that name after crawling out of the Crow Sweat Lodge set up on the banks of
>the Little Bighorn River in south central Montana.  I had been listening to
>my Crow friends talking with their clan brothers in Crow catching a few
>words here and there since before dark when I was sent to light the evening
>fire before the sun went down.  2 groups passed through the lodge when I was
>motion in.  I took my place at the back of the lodge along side my old
>friend Bob Little Light and listened to Kennard Real Bird talk to me about
>can I hear what they are saying?  They are talking about you.  The Elders
>present have been talking about you all night and they still are.  Can you
>hear them out there he said in American English which I can understand
>completely.  The Prayer Leader Gordon Real Bird said we are going to adopt
>you Walter.  I watch as the last of the white hot glowing rocks were placed
>in the hole by the door.  The front door was closed and as we went into
>darkness Gordon Real Bird said.  "I am going to burn this cedar it will
>purify the air and then I am going to say a prayer and we will begin.  If it
>gets to hot for you get flat on the ground."  When the water comes by take a
>drink and spill some on your head.  When you are finished pass the dipper on
>to the next man.  Gordon made his first pray as he was spilling water on the
>intense white hot heat glowing rocks and the wave of heat hit me.  Gordon
>said use the chokecherry switch to hit any sore spots or where it gets to
>hot.
>
>I struck my first sore spot and switched to all over as the first 4 dippers
>had been placed.  The heat caused me to sag.  I lost track during the next
>round as I got down fully on the ground.  I kept my face to the ground as
>the searing heat sank into my back around my ribcage and other equally high
>surfaces.  I bit my lip to keep from crying out.  As the last of the dippers
>was poured we lay soaking in the heat.  As the chatter picked up in American
>English I was introduce to my adopting brother Vincent Crooked Arm.  Then it
>seamed like a million dippers went on the now dull red glowing rocks.  As it
>approach the point to where I knew I could not stand it anylong the back
>door was lifted up and Gordon said.  Go to the river then come back and sit
>down.
>
>I went slowly the 35 yards to the riverbank and gently down the bank into
>the water with a whoosh and shock as my pores tighten up and the stars in
>the sky looking east appeared flashed and pulsed with the swaying of my body
>standing in the current of the Little Bighorn River.
>
>I left the river and went to the back to dress then I went to my seat by the
>fire.  I was out of words and could barely listen when I heard Richard Real
>Bird say.  We have been calling you by this name all day as we talked about
>adopting you because of your experiences.  Now after the sweat we are going
>to call you badgerhole that is your mountain man name and our Clan name for
>you.
>
>That is one way to get a name and that is how I got mine an American
>Mountain Man name.
>Badgerhole
>Park City, Montana
>
>
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:52:06 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lance, Susan, Linda & Dog 1979

John,
Can you access this photo? Ole #718

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:13:12 EST
From: "Gary McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

Good,
Twacandle


>From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
>Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:18:57 -0700
>
>  Hello around this American Mountain Man camp fire after such a warm
>winters
>day.  I have been think about what was posted and I would like to thank
>everybody who replied on list and off line.  Everyone who posted about not
>needing a mountain man handle had one.  Some said most did not have names
>like that and used their given christian names.  Evidence shows that it
>worked both ways.  And names stemmed from collegues, enemies and related
>Indian trading friends.  Looked at in this light.  I would like to think
>that camp names at this campfire are proper and respectful of the tradition
>whether you would use a camp name or not.  But those that choose to and
>those that are looking for a certain and very particular kind of name....A
>Mountain Man name.
>
>I think it makes a difference if you give yourself a name because that is
>more in the nature of a quest whereas some of this names like badgerhole
>are
>as old as the nature of the mountain man because in mountain man talk a
>badgerhole means home.  As in the example of Davy Jacksonhole.  I come by
>that name after crawling out of the Crow Sweat Lodge set up on the banks of
>the Little Bighorn River in south central Montana.  I had been listening to
>my Crow friends talking with their clan brothers in Crow catching a few
>words here and there since before dark when I was sent to light the evening
>fire before the sun went down.  2 groups passed through the lodge when I
>was
>motion in.  I took my place at the back of the lodge along side my old
>friend Bob Little Light and listened to Kennard Real Bird talk to me about
>can I hear what they are saying?  They are talking about you.  The Elders
>present have been talking about you all night and they still are.  Can you
>hear them out there he said in American English which I can understand
>completely.  The Prayer Leader Gordon Real Bird said we are going to adopt
>you Walter.  I watch as the last of the white hot glowing rocks were placed
>in the hole by the door.  The front door was closed and as we went into
>darkness Gordon Real Bird said.  "I am going to burn this cedar it will
>purify the air and then I am going to say a prayer and we will begin.  If
>it
>gets to hot for you get flat on the ground."  When the water comes by take
>a
>drink and spill some on your head.  When you are finished pass the dipper
>on
>to the next man.  Gordon made his first pray as he was spilling water on
>the
>intense white hot heat glowing rocks and the wave of heat hit me.  Gordon
>said use the chokecherry switch to hit any sore spots or where it gets to
>hot.
>
>I struck my first sore spot and switched to all over as the first 4 dippers
>had been placed.  The heat caused me to sag.  I lost track during the next
>round as I got down fully on the ground.  I kept my face to the ground as
>the searing heat sank into my back around my ribcage and other equally high
>surfaces.  I bit my lip to keep from crying out.  As the last of the
>dippers
>was poured we lay soaking in the heat.  As the chatter picked up in
>American
>English I was introduce to my adopting brother Vincent Crooked Arm.  Then
>it
>seamed like a million dippers went on the now dull red glowing rocks.  As
>it
>approach the point to where I knew I could not stand it anylong the back
>door was lifted up and Gordon said.  Go to the river then come back and sit
>down.
>
>I went slowly the 35 yards to the riverbank and gently down the bank into
>the water with a whoosh and shock as my pores tighten up and the stars in
>the sky looking east appeared flashed and pulsed with the swaying of my
>body
>standing in the current of the Little Bighorn River.
>
>I left the river and went to the back to dress then I went to my seat by
>the
>fire.  I was out of words and could barely listen when I heard Richard Real
>Bird say.  We have been calling you by this name all day as we talked about
>adopting you because of your experiences.  Now after the sweat we are going
>to call you badgerhole that is your mountain man name and our Clan name for
>you.
>
>That is one way to get a name and that is how I got mine an American
>Mountain Man name.
>Badgerhole
>Park City, Montana
>
>
>
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