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hist_text-digest      Wednesday, February 9 2000      Volume 01 : Number 463



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: NRA
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: what's in a name
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: what's in a name
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: whats in a name
-áááááá MtMan-List: wool leggins
-áááááá MtMan-List: Alexander Roderick McLeod

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:13:32 EST
From: "Gary McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name

Good,
Twacandle


>From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
>Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:18:57 -0700
>
>  Hello around this American Mountain Man camp fire after such a warm
>winters
>day.  I have been think about what was posted and I would like to thank
>everybody who replied on list and off line.  Everyone who posted about not
>needing a mountain man handle had one.  Some said most did not have names
>like that and used their given christian names.  Evidence shows that it
>worked both ways.  And names stemmed from collegues, enemies and related
>Indian trading friends.  Looked at in this light.  I would like to think
>that camp names at this campfire are proper and respectful of the tradition
>whether you would use a camp name or not.  But those that choose to and
>those that are looking for a certain and very particular kind of name....A
>Mountain Man name.
>
>I think it makes a difference if you give yourself a name because that is
>more in the nature of a quest whereas some of this names like badgerhole
>are
>as old as the nature of the mountain man because in mountain man talk a
>badgerhole means home.  As in the example of Davy Jacksonhole.  I come by
>that name after crawling out of the Crow Sweat Lodge set up on the banks of
>the Little Bighorn River in south central Montana.  I had been listening to
>my Crow friends talking with their clan brothers in Crow catching a few
>words here and there since before dark when I was sent to light the evening
>fire before the sun went down.  2 groups passed through the lodge when I
>was
>motion in.  I took my place at the back of the lodge along side my old
>friend Bob Little Light and listened to Kennard Real Bird talk to me about
>can I hear what they are saying?  They are talking about you.  The Elders
>present have been talking about you all night and they still are.  Can you
>hear them out there he said in American English which I can understand
>completely.  The Prayer Leader Gordon Real Bird said we are going to adopt
>you Walter.  I watch as the last of the white hot glowing rocks were placed
>in the hole by the door.  The front door was closed and as we went into
>darkness Gordon Real Bird said.  "I am going to burn this cedar it will
>purify the air and then I am going to say a prayer and we will begin.  If
>it
>gets to hot for you get flat on the ground."  When the water comes by take
>a
>drink and spill some on your head.  When you are finished pass the dipper
>on
>to the next man.  Gordon made his first pray as he was spilling water on
>the
>intense white hot heat glowing rocks and the wave of heat hit me.  Gordon
>said use the chokecherry switch to hit any sore spots or where it gets to
>hot.
>
>I struck my first sore spot and switched to all over as the first 4 dippers
>had been placed.  The heat caused me to sag.  I lost track during the next
>round as I got down fully on the ground.  I kept my face to the ground as
>the searing heat sank into my back around my ribcage and other equally high
>surfaces.  I bit my lip to keep from crying out.  As the last of the
>dippers
>was poured we lay soaking in the heat.  As the chatter picked up in
>American
>English I was introduce to my adopting brother Vincent Crooked Arm.  Then
>it
>seamed like a million dippers went on the now dull red glowing rocks.  As
>it
>approach the point to where I knew I could not stand it anylong the back
>door was lifted up and Gordon said.  Go to the river then come back and sit
>down.
>
>I went slowly the 35 yards to the riverbank and gently down the bank into
>the water with a whoosh and shock as my pores tighten up and the stars in
>the sky looking east appeared flashed and pulsed with the swaying of my
>body
>standing in the current of the Little Bighorn River.
>
>I left the river and went to the back to dress then I went to my seat by
>the
>fire.  I was out of words and could barely listen when I heard Richard Real
>Bird say.  We have been calling you by this name all day as we talked about
>adopting you because of your experiences.  Now after the sweat we are going
>to call you badgerhole that is your mountain man name and our Clan name for
>you.
>
>That is one way to get a name and that is how I got mine an American
>Mountain Man name.
>Badgerhole
>Park City, Montana
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:24:39 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NRA

Hello around the campfire,

I have been contacted to make a presentation to the Annual Regional NRA
meeting on the 10th.  If anyone has any AMM ideas or AMM suggestions please
contact me off line [e-mail]

The seeds planted today are the harvest of tomorrow.


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:16:04 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: what's in a name

My response to Todd (albeit the wrong Todd) was purely in jest.  I didn't
mean to imply that Todd needed a nickname to be a trapper/trader.  I'm
sure, just as in the days of old, that if a man wished to be called by his
name given at birth, he would make that plain to all and the issue would be
at an end.  I generally go by my Christian name, or variation thereof, but
if anyone wanted to call me by various and sundry camp names I've had over
the years, that'd be fine, too.

I am replying to this late because I get the Mtn. Man list on digest, and
I'm usually a day or so behind.

Cheers,
HBC

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:44:26 -0600
From: farseer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: what's in a name

Well, I can't claim to be tall as the Teton's neither.   Lessee, that makes
me short, and durn near blind.   Mole?  =)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Henry B.
> Crawford
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:16 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: what's in a name
>
>
> My response to Todd (albeit the wrong Todd) was purely in jest.  I didn't
> mean to imply that Todd needed a nickname to be a trapper/trader.  I'm
> sure, just as in the days of old, that if a man wished to be called by his
> name given at birth, he would make that plain to all and the
> issue would be
> at an end.  I generally go by my Christian name, or variation thereof, but
> if anyone wanted to call me by various and sundry camp names I've had over
> the years, that'd be fine, too.
>
> I am replying to this late because I get the Mtn. Man list on digest, and
> I'm usually a day or so behind.
>
> Cheers,
> HBC
>
> ****************************************
> Henry B. Crawford    Box 43191
> Curator of History    Museum of Texas Tech University
> [e-mail]    Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
> 806/742-2442     FAX [phone]
>               Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
> ******  Living History . . . Because It's There  ******
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:47:28 -0600
From: farseer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: whats in a name

=)   Bout what I figured.   I'm NOT in any hurry.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Ole B. Jensen
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 8:39 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
>
>
> Todd,
> The name you have fit's you. I earned my name the usual way "Litle Big
> Mouth" someday ill tell you the story. Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: whats in a name
> >Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 8:18 PM
> >
>
> > Hello around this American Mountain Man camp fire after such a
> warm winters
> >day.  I have been think about what was posted and I would like to thank
> >everybody who replied on list and off line.  Everyone who posted
> about not
> >needing a mountain man handle had one.  Some said most did not have names
> >like that and used their given christian names.  Evidence shows that it
> >worked both ways.  And names stemmed from collegues, enemies and related
> >Indian trading friends.  Looked at in this light.  I would like to think
> >that camp names at this campfire are proper and respectful of
> the tradition
> >whether you would use a camp name or not.  But those that choose to and
> >those that are looking for a certain and very particular kind of
> name....A
> >Mountain Man name.
> >
> >I think it makes a difference if you give yourself a name because that is
> >more in the nature of a quest whereas some of this names like
> badgerhole are
> >as old as the nature of the mountain man because in mountain man talk a
> >badgerhole means home.  As in the example of Davy Jacksonhole.  I come by
> >that name after crawling out of the Crow Sweat Lodge set up on
> the banks of
> >the Little Bighorn River in south central Montana.  I had been
> listening to
> >my Crow friends talking with their clan brothers in Crow catching a few
> >words here and there since before dark when I was sent to light
> the evening
> >fire before the sun went down.  2 groups passed through the
> lodge when I was
> >motion in.  I took my place at the back of the lodge along side my old
> >friend Bob Little Light and listened to Kennard Real Bird talk
> to me about
> >can I hear what they are saying?  They are talking about you.  The Elders
> >present have been talking about you all night and they still
> are.  Can you
> >hear them out there he said in American English which I can understand
> >completely.  The Prayer Leader Gordon Real Bird said we are
> going to adopt
> >you Walter.  I watch as the last of the white hot glowing rocks
> were placed
> >in the hole by the door.  The front door was closed and as we went into
> >darkness Gordon Real Bird said.  "I am going to burn this cedar it will
> >purify the air and then I am going to say a prayer and we will
> begin.  If it
> >gets to hot for you get flat on the ground."  When the water
> comes by take a
> >drink and spill some on your head.  When you are finished pass
> the dipper on
> >to the next man.  Gordon made his first pray as he was spilling
> water on the
> >intense white hot heat glowing rocks and the wave of heat hit me.  Gordon
> >said use the chokecherry switch to hit any sore spots or where it gets to
> >hot.
> >
> >I struck my first sore spot and switched to all over as the
> first 4 dippers
> >had been placed.  The heat caused me to sag.  I lost track
> during the next
> >round as I got down fully on the ground.  I kept my face to the ground as
> >the searing heat sank into my back around my ribcage and other
> equally high
> >surfaces.  I bit my lip to keep from crying out.  As the last of
> the dippers
> >was poured we lay soaking in the heat.  As the chatter picked up
> in American
> >English I was introduce to my adopting brother Vincent Crooked
> Arm.  Then it
> >seamed like a million dippers went on the now dull red glowing
> rocks.  As it
> >approach the point to where I knew I could not stand it anylong the back
> >door was lifted up and Gordon said.  Go to the river then come
> back and sit
> >down.
> >
> >I went slowly the 35 yards to the riverbank and gently down the bank into
> >the water with a whoosh and shock as my pores tighten up and the stars in
> >the sky looking east appeared flashed and pulsed with the
> swaying of my body
> >standing in the current of the Little Bighorn River.
> >
> >I left the river and went to the back to dress then I went to my
> seat by the
> >fire.  I was out of words and could barely listen when I heard
> Richard Real
> >Bird say.  We have been calling you by this name all day as we
> talked about
> >adopting you because of your experiences.  Now after the sweat
> we are going
> >to call you badgerhole that is your mountain man name and our
> Clan name for
> >you.
> >
> >That is one way to get a name and that is how I got mine an American
> >Mountain Man name.
> >Badgerhole
> >Park City, Montana
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:39:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: wool leggins

Hello the fire!  knowing Ole for 20 years or more, and
knowing the maker of the leggins, Layne Tom damn near
as long, I would think they are a damn fine item, and
well worth ownin'  Layne is a true artist in native
american gear, and a crafstman of the first order.
Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig.
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:17:48 EST
From: "Gary McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Alexander Roderick McLeod

Hale Camp,
I've been trying to find the birth year and place of
Alexander Roderick McLeod. He was prominent in the Northwest
fur trade in the early 1800's. He had at least one town and a river named
after him. He is in the biographies of Nunis. He was born about
1780. I would appreciate further info.
Thanks, Keep Your Flint Sharp,
Gary McLeod
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