Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf
Traphand@aol.com wrote:
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> Need your help. Does anyone know the E-Mail address or WebSite URL
> for "Track of the Wolf"?
Traphand,
e-mail <track@iaxs.net> Web at <www.trackofthewold.com> I remain...
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:20:31 -0800
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf
Traphand@aol.com wrote:
>
> Need your help. Does anyone know the E-Mail address or WebSite URL
> for "Track of the Wolf"?
Web <www.trackofthewolf.com> not wold <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:26:33 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf
www.trackofthewolf.com .....I'm serious, that's what it is.
Ymos,
Steve
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:27:36 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf
....and here is the e-mail address track@iaxs.net
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:37:25 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: February 1837
Hello around the campfire.
In the introduction of Journal of a Mountain Man by James Clyman it is
said....You can generally count on a mountain man not to tell a story small.
After all, yarning was an art among the trappers of the Rocky Mountains, and
scaring pilgrims was one of their favorite sports.
The harsh reality of everyday life in conversation is enough to scare most
anybody into perking up the awareness level. Take away modern conviences
and the whole world changes for the pilgrim once again. In reading about
James Clyman it is noted that this woodsman from Virginia had a similar
problem to other woodsmen in their sojourn to the Rocky Mountain experience.
The early years for Clyman were similar to the problems of the woodsmen who
sojourned with Lewis and Clark not 20 years before. The problem of adaption
to the northern plains and the Rocky Mountains.
Once figured out by the likes of Uncle Dick Wooten who came out the Rocky
Mountains on the upper Yellostone with a pack horse of Marten worth $7,200
and John Gardner who lived in the upper reaches of the Yellowstone because
he loved it spans the spectrum of the growth of the American Mountain Man
from the winter sojourn of Coulter, Handcock and Dixon 1806-07.
Does anyone have any information on Jim Bridger spending the winter of
1843-44 with the Crows in Pardise Valley on the upper Yellowstone. Does
anyone have any information on the kinds of blankets carried by Bridger for
trade?
Badgerhole
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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:14:01 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
>
>Todd (who also doesn't have a nifty name yet)
>
I guess we'll just have to do something about that, eh, Todd? I think
"String Bean" is already taken. :-) What ever happened to "Teton Todd?"
Cheers,
HBC
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:30:34 -0700
From: tetontodd@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
I think you have the wrong Todd there Henry.....
"Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party Pilgrim
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Date: 4 Feb 2000 10:17:03 -0800
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
On Fri, 04 February 2000, "Henry B. Crawford" wrote:
> >Todd (who also doesn't have a nifty name yet)
> >
>
> I guess we'll just have to do something about that, eh, Todd? I think
> "String Bean" is already taken. :-) What ever happened to "Teton Todd?"
>
> Cheers,
> HBC
> ****************************************
Henry,
Interesting how everyone had a need to have a "mountain" name, was the thing to do for years in this sport. Everyone had one or more names, some fit, some earned, some not to one's liking, but it was a name.
From the other side of the coin, look at many of these "mountain" people, they didn't have a name other than the one given at time of birth, that's what they used throughout their life - when asked "what's your name or handle", no matter if a "nick-name" was given or had been hung on them or not, they used their birth given name. Crockett, Bridger, Sublette, Bent's and so on for an example.
If you receive a "nick-name" Todd, more than likely it will be one you don't like anyway, I wouldn't worry about it - the old timers didn't or didn't answer to that "nick-name", only their birth given one.
Later
Buck Conner
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:46:29 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
> Interesting how everyone had a need to have a "mountain" name, was the
thing to do for years in this sport. Everyone had one or more names, some
fit, some earned, some not to one's liking, but it was a name. From the
other side of the coin, look at many of these "mountain" people, they didn't
have a name other than the one given at time of birth, that's what they used
throughout their life - when asked "what's your name or handle", no matter
if a "nick-name" was given or had been hung on them or not, they used their
birth given name. Crockett, Bridger, Sublette, Bent's and so on for an
example. If you receive a "nick-name" Todd, more than likely it will be one
you don't like anyway, I wouldn't worry about it - the old timers didn't or
didn't answer to that "nick-name", only their birth given one. Later Buck
Conner
What about the American Mountain Men who were adopted within Indian Clans
Buck? Some of those old timers like Broken Hand and the Blanket Chief were
among the orginial mounted pony trading trappers that came up river in the
early 1820s. These guys can not be counted out in the story of the American
Mountain Men at least not here in their birth place in the Rocky Mounains.
Some of the "playful stuff" that came out of the 1950s got caught up in the
60s and 70s then along came the game playing you are talking about Buck if I
get the gist correctly. I am not so sure I consider American Mountain Men a
sport although that was the nick name of my son. I think it is important to
realize that handles are meant for a certain groups understanding. I think
both sides of the coin are true and I agree with you about not worrying
about it.
As I said in a earlier post. Does anyone know what kind of blankets were
carried by the Blanket Chief 1836-1843?
Badgerhole
Walt
Park City, Montana
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:41:15 -0700
From: tetontodd@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
We went this round once before on the name issue. I believe we found that
the majority of trappers didn't have well known nick names. But, there
are many examples of those that did.
I would go so far as to say that "Diah" or "Cap'n" Smith were forms of
nick names used in reference to Jedediah Smith. I would have to agree
with Buck that when asked their name most probably didn't answer with a
nick name like "the name's Broken Hand, Broken hand Fitzpatrick," or
"they call me Old Solitaire, Old Solitaire Williams." The same is true
today during introductions.
While we are discussing names, I've heard Joe Meek referred to as "The
Merry Mountain Man" and Milton Sublette as "The Thunderbolt of the
Rockies." Anyone know where these came from and where they were first
used? How about "Old Gabe," what's the provenance of that one? I've also
heard tell that the name "Blanket Chief" was given to Bridger not because
he traded a lot of blankets, or owned many, but rather because he kept
pretty "Active" in the blankets so to speak.
I could probably get off my butt and go over to the book shelf and look
up some of this for myself, but I like hearing from you boys a whole lot
more. It's kinda like checking traps, to come in and see what mails in
the box and from whom.
Take Care
"Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party Pilgrim
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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:28:55 -0800
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name?
tetontodd@juno.com wrote:
> I could probably get off my butt and go over to the book shelf and look
> up some of this for myself, but I like hearing from you boys a whole lot
> more. It's kinda like checking traps, to come in and see what mails in
> the box and from whom.
Teton,
Can't say I have anything intelligent to offer on the subject of
nicknames but thought I would just set down and say, "Dang, but I'm
looking forward to seeing you this summer!" Other than that, I
remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:39:58 PST
From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bridger
I'm quite sure that I'm wrong about this or at least I will be proven wrong
by someone on this list, but I once read a brief explanation of Bridger's
nickname that went something like this.
It was said that Bridger carried such feelings of guilt about his role in
abandoning Hugh Glass, that he spent the rest of his life in the mountains
coming to anyone in need, and doing all that was possible to help out his
fellow mountain men. Thus he was called Gabe, short for Gabriel, the
guardian angel.
I beleive I read this in Stanley Vestal's book on Bridger, and cannot recall
where he claimed to have heard this. I am interested to know if there is
