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hist_text-digest       Friday, January 14 2000       Volume 01 : Number 448



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Robert Campbell
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Email use fees (off topic, but important)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:24:46 -0500
From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska

I hate to sound like a certain politician, but it depends on what your
definition of "Alaska" is (or what your definition of "European trappers"
is). The Russians were active in the Aleutian Islands as early as the 1740s
and had fur trading camps on the mainland of Alaska by the 1750s. This
activity was simply an extension of the Siberian fur trade in the most
logical direction and the Russians were mostly traders rather than trappers.
By the mid-1770s, much of the southern Alaskan coast was extensively mapped
by the great British explorers, including Captain James Cook, and British
and Boston ships followed into the area for fur-trading purposes by the
1780s. Again, little if any trapping was practiced; furs were obtained by
trading with the native peoples.

One of North America's most important explorers, the Scot Alexander
Mackenzie, traveled down the Mackenzie River to the Arctic Ocean in 1789
and, in 1792-93, crossed the Continental Divide (the first European to do so
north of Mexico) from the Peace River to the Fraser River, which he followed
down to the Pacific. On neither of these trips did he enter into what we now
define as Alaska. Neither did he do any trapping but he was representing the
continent's largest fur-trading company at the time so he definitely would
fall into the category of fur trade explorer.

The first documented entry into Alaska from the East (by English and Scots,
not Russians who were active only in the coastal areas) came in 1839 when
John Bell, a representative of the Hudson's Bay Company, crossed the
Richardson Mountains from the Mackenzie River Valley and reached the
Porcupine River and followed it downstream to its junction with the Yukon.
Bell and his HBC contemporary, Robert Campell, who reached the Yukon in the
early 1840s, were both traders and trappers.

Sources: John L. Allen (ed.), North American Exploration (Univ. of Neb.
Press 1997), especially the relevant chapters by Gibson in vol. 2 and by
Allen in vol. 3; Richard Ruggles, A Country So Interesting: The Hudson's Bay
Company and Two Centuries of Mapping (Montreal, 1991); and Theodore J.
Karamanski, Fur Trade and Exploration: Opening the Far Northwest, 1821-1852
(Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1983).

************************************
Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas Drive
Storrs, CT 06268
860/487-1346
[e-mail]


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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska


> Gee, I almost forgot why I got on here in the frist place! Question, How
> early were American/
> Eroupian trappers venturing up into  Alaska?
> I thought I read about a Canadian Alexander
> Mackenzie going into the region in the late 18th. cen.?
>              Again, Your Most Obidian Servant,
>                                      Michael Wolfe
>
> http://community.webtv.net/MedicineWolfe/TheBuckskinnersCabin
>
> The road to progress is the path of fools!!!
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:16:59 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

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Hello. I am a friend of Dr. Cech of your television industry, and of =
Peter Semelka, formerly of your country. Good to hear from you. I was =
once on a television program on your television called Objective.

Bill Cunningham
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    Subject: MtMan-List: Hallo!
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    I am new member these discussion group. I am from Czech republic- =
central Europe. Our club TRAPPERS=B4 CORRAL is item of WESTERNERS =
INTERNATIONAL, and is focused in life of trappers in USA, mainly =
MOUNTAINMENS. If you be interested our activity, visit  page =
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:02:05 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:30:08 +0100 "Pavel Grund" <[e-mail]>
writes:
> Hallo !
PEGGY
welcome to the fire hope you enjoy the chat and can understand my accent
since i come from the southern united states---while in germany in the
military i was told that i spoke with a very heavy accent---not common to
others that spoke english---


hope you enjoy and again welcome---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida     34684        Phone:    [phone]
e-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

Hawk:
 I'm from S.C.Oklahoma, and I cain't understand your
accent.( You don't talk  "Okie")
 Welcome to the fireside, hope you enjoy !!!
 Peggy
 grn

> welcome to the fire hope you enjoy the chat and can
> understand my accent
> since i come from the southern united states---while
> in germany in the
> military i was told that i spoke with a very heavy
> accent---not common to
> others that spoke english---
>
>
> hope you enjoy and again welcome---
>
>     "HAWK"
> Michael Pierce
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor Florida     34684        Phone:
> 1-727-771-1815
> e-mail:   [e-mail]
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:28:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.

I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain man
and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over the
past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.  I
decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I kept
his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
This man was honorable.

The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The Story of
Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that people
who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting and
of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a close
friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.

Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order from
the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I have
been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park where
Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going to
several rendezvous.

It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is complicated
and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there specific
places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?

I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback to
allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making much
profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I really
believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.

Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.

Thanks,

        Steve     [[e-mail]]



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:52:19 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Go to http://www:whattheheckisthis? They will list the book for nothing and
charge you nothing for those that sell. A real change from the 50 to 55%
distributors charge or the 25 to 40 % bookstores get.
Congratulations on finishing what must have been a lengthy process.

Bill Cunningham
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book


>Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
>
>I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain man
>and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over the
>past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.  I
>decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I kept
>his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
>This man was honorable.
>
>The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The Story
of
>Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that people
>who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
and
>of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a close
>friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
>[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order from
>the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
have
>been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
where
>Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going to
>several rendezvous.
>
>It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
complicated
>and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there specific
>places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
>
>I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback to
>allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making much
>profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I really
>believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
>
>Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
>
>Thanks,
>
>        Steve     [[e-mail]]
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:11:06 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Correction: it's not whattheheckisthis - it's, whattheheckisthat.
Sorry\
Bill C
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To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book


>Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
>
>I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain man
>and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over the
>past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.  I
>decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I kept
>his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
>This man was honorable.
>
>The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The Story
of
>Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that people
>who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
and
>of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a close
>friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
>[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order from
>the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
have
>been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
where
>Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going to
>several rendezvous.
>
>It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
complicated
>and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there specific
>places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
>
>I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback to
>allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making much
>profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I really
>believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
>
>Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
>
>Thanks,
>
>        Steve     [[e-mail]]
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:04:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Bill,
    THANKS.  I will try to use it too.

        Steve

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:03:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Robert Campbell

Okay you knowledge-based left-brainers...is the Robert Campbell friend & pard of
Sublette the same guy who trekked into the Alaskan country in the '40's...or are
they different Campbells?

Rick



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:24:36 -0500
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Email use fees (off topic, but important)

sorry if I offend...
but to put it bluntly...the below 'news' is bullshit..
now back to lurking and sewing for the Alafia
a.

"Henry B. Crawford" wrote:

> >INTERNET FEES-GOING TO CONGRESS
> >CNN has reported that within the next two weeks Congress is going to vote
> >on allowing telephone companies to CHARGE A TOLL FEE for Internet access.
> >Translation: Every time we send a long distance e-mail we will receive a
> >long distance charge. This will get costly. Please visit the following web
> >site and file a complaint to your Congressperson. We can't allow this to
> >pass! The following address will allow you to send an e-mail on this
> >subject DIRECTLY to your Congressperson.
> >
> >http://www.house.gov/writerep
> >
> >Put this in your address book. Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent!
> >I hope all of you will pass this on to all your friends and family. We
> >should ALL have an interest in this one.
> >
> >WAIT, THERE'S MORE! IN ADDITION, The last few months have revealed an
> >alarming trend in the government of the United States attempting to
> >quietly push through legislation that will affect your use of the
> >Internet. Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be
> >attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees." Bill 602P
> >will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email
> >delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer
> >would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C. lawyer Richard
> >Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming
> >law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the
> >proliferation of e-mail costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year.
> >You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is nothing like a
> >letter." Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of e-mail per
> >day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50
> >cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their
> >regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the
> >U.S. Postal Service for a service they do not even provide.
> >
> >The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the
> >federal government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a
> >surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You are already paying an
> >exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It
> >currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to
> >Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it
> >will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. One
> >congressman, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar
> >per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the
> >government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major
> >newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being the
> >Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept
> >who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Don't sit by and watch
> >your freedoms erode away! Send this e-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and
> >tell all your friends and relatives to write to their Congressman and say
> >"No!" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time, and
> >could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we don't want. PASS THIS
> >ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL REMEMBER THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE
> >ISSUES THAT EFFECT ALL OF US ONLINE. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD NOW, NOT
> >AFTER.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:00:23 -0500
From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Steve,

It's tough to sell good books these days, particularly if you aren't one of
the "big names". I wish you luck!

A really productive outlet for western books is the bookstore that is housed
in nearly all museums and visitors' centers in federal establishments
(national parks, monuments, forests, etc.), and state parks/recreation areas
in the West. The folks who stock those stores (sometimes run by the federal
or state government, more often by a contract vendor) tend to look for
reviews of recently published works in the periodical literature to find
appropriate titles for their shelves. If you can afford it, send copies of
your book for review to journals such as Montana, the magazine of western
history (Helena, MT), and the Western Historical Quarterly (Logan, UT). Both
of these journals are associated with the Western History Association. Also
send copies to state historical societies for review in their journals
(virtually all state historical societies in the West have decent quarterly
journals). This should help to get your work onto shelves in western
bookstores in places of high tourist traffic.

For direct sales through your own website or Amazon.com, etc., your best bet
is also the book review route in historical journals. You're dealing with a
fairly specialized audience that tends to read specialized material. The
trick is to get them to notice your book and the best way to do that is to
"advertise" through book reviews in the journals produced by the
organizations to which they belong. My publishers have told me that one book
review in a decent historical periodical is worth several expensive
advertisements in the same magazine.

Hope this helps.

John

************************************
Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas Drive
Storrs, CT 06268
860/487-1346
[e-mail]


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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book


> Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
>
> I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain man
> and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over the
> past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.  I
> decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I
kept
> his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
> This man was honorable.
>
> The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The Story
of
> Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that
people
> who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
and
> of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a close
> friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
> [Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order from
> the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
have
> been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
where
> Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going to
> several rendezvous.
>
> It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
complicated
> and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there specific
> places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
>
> I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback
to
> allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making much
> profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I really
> believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
>
> Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
>
> Thanks,
>
>         Steve     [[e-mail]]
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:47:27 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska

Michael Wolfe <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Eroupian trappers venturing up into  Alaska? I thought I read about a
Canadian Alexander Mackenzie going into the region in the late 18th. cen.?<<

Mackenzie, who worked for the North West Company, went down the Mackenzie
River to its mouth in the Arctic Ocean in 1789. In 1793, he went west from
Peace River, Alberta to Bella Coola, B.C (on the Pacific Ocean, 13 years
before Lewis & Clark). He was knighted for this feat. I'm pretty sure that
neither route entered what is now Alaska.

The Russians, on the other hand, started trapping sea otters in Alaska's
Alexander Archipelago in the 1740's, and started establishing fur posts in
Alaska in the 1790's. The Russian-American Company was established in Russia
in 1799; it was modelled on the HBC & Dutch East India Company. (This isn't
my research area--yet--but I got a copy of a book on the NW coast fur trade
for Christmas.)

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:26:57 -0800
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Bill,
Your web site don't compute.......http://www:whattheheckisthis
John Funk


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From: Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book


> Go to http://www:whattheheckisthis? They will list the book for nothing
and
> charge you nothing for those that sell. A real change from the 50 to 55%
> distributors charge or the 25 to 40 % bookstores get.
> Congratulations on finishing what must have been a lengthy process.
>
> Bill Cunningham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:28 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book
>
>
> >Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
> >
> >I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain
man
> >and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over
the
> >past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.
I
> >decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I
kept
> >his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
> >This man was honorable.
> >
> >The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The
Story
> of
> >Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that
people
> >who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
> and
> >of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a close
> >friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
> >
> >Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
> >[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order
from
> >the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
> have
> >been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
> where
> >Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going
to
> >several rendezvous.
> >
> >It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
> complicated
> >and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there specific
> >places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
> >
> >I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback
to
> >allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making much
> >profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I really
> >believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
> >
> >Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >        Steve     [[e-mail]]
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:29:27 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

Turns out I misspelled it - it's "whattheheckisthat   - not
whattheheckisthis. And. . . for some reason it is not responding today. I
have a call in to see why not. News at eleven. . . .
- -----Original Message-----
From: John C. Funk, Jr. <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book


>Bill,
>Your web site don't compute.......http://www:whattheheckisthis
>John Funk
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:52 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
>
>
>> Go to http://www:whattheheckisthis? They will list the book for nothing
>and
>> charge you nothing for those that sell. A real change from the 50 to 55%
>> distributors charge or the 25 to 40 % bookstores get.
>> Congratulations on finishing what must have been a lengthy process.
>>
>> Bill Cunningham
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:28 PM
>> Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book
>>
>>
>> >Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
>> >
>> >I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain
>man
>> >and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over
>the
>> >past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.
>I
>> >decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I
>kept
>> >his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
>> >This man was honorable.
>> >
>> >The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The
>Story
>> of
>> >Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that
>people
>> >who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
>> and
>> >of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a
close
>> >friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
>> >
>> >Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
>> >[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order
>from
>> >the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
>> have
>> >been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
>> where
>> >Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going
>to
>> >several rendezvous.
>> >
>> >It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
>> complicated
>> >and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there
specific
>> >places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
>> >
>> >I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback
>to
>> >allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making
much
>> >profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I
really
>> >believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
>> >
>> >Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >        Steve     [[e-mail]]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----------------------
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:39:56 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book

It's up now. If it doesn't light up for you, go to your search engine and
type in  whattheheckisthat  - Snap and Dogpile both do it for me.

Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: John C. Funk, Jr. <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book


>Bill,
>Your web site don't compute.......http://www:whattheheckisthis
>John Funk
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:52 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man book
>
>
>> Go to http://www:whattheheckisthis? They will list the book for nothing
>and
>> charge you nothing for those that sell. A real change from the 50 to 55%
>> distributors charge or the 25 to 40 % bookstores get.
>> Congratulations on finishing what must have been a lengthy process.
>>
>> Bill Cunningham
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:28 PM
>> Subject: MtMan-List: mountain man book
>>
>>
>> >Hello to those who are  interested in the mountain man.
>> >
>> >I need some advise.   After years of research on the American mountain
>man
>> >and work on my Ph.D., I wrote a dissertation on Robert Campbell.  Over
>the
>> >past years, new letters from him to his wife and other have been found.
>I
>> >decided to add these and convert the book to a more readable novel.  I
>kept
>> >his actual words as much as possible and stayed true to his real nature.
>> >This man was honorable.
>> >
>> >The book will be published in late January-- Irish Mountain Man, The
>Story
>> of
>> >Robert Campbell.  I want to get a wide distribution and believe that
>people
>> >who are interested in this time and life style would find it interesting
>> and
>> >of value to their understanding of the nature of a person who was a
close
>> >friend of Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and partner of Bill Sublette.
>> >
>> >Does anyone have any ideas?  I have thought of creating a web page
>> >[Irishmountainman.com] and trying to get people to go there and order
>from
>> >the Prism Distributing Company which will distribute the book for me.  I
>> have
>> >been invited to Ireland to sign copies at the Irish-American Folk Park
>> where
>> >Campbell's ancestral home has been restored.  I am thinking about going
>to
>> >several rendezvous.
>> >
>> >It will be carried on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc., but, it is
>> complicated
>> >and not very profitable to carry it on these dealers.  Are there
specific
>> >places which I should contact to see if they will stock the book?
>> >
>> >I decided to keep the price as low as possible ($12.95) and in paperback
>to
>> >allow most people to be able to afford it.  [I am used to not making
much
>> >profit-- I run a not-for-profit community mental health center}] I
really
>> >believe that Campbell has a lot to say to people today.
>> >
>> >Anyway, I would appreciate any ideas from the readers.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >        Steve     [[e-mail]]
>> >
>> >
>> >
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