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hist_text-digest       Monday, January 17 2000       Volume 01 : Number 449



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: http://www.whattheheckisthat.com
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá MtMan-List: SORRY LIST !!!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Heavy Barrell
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fwd: Moccasin Meet 2000 - RSVP
-áááááá MtMan-List: Wet Steel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Wet Steel
-áááááá MtMan-List: poem author unknown
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: poem author unknown
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Wet Steel

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:07:10 -0600
From: Mike Rock <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: http://www.whattheheckisthat.com

You gotsta watch your punctuation...I was going to say...you gotta watch
your colon, but decided not to.

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:17:05 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska

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From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: January 14, 2000 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapping in Alaska


>Mackenzie, who worked for the North West Company, went down the Mackenzie
>River to its mouth in the Arctic Ocean in 1789. In 1793, he went west from
>Peace River, Alberta to Bella Coola, B.C (on the Pacific Ocean, 13 years
>before Lewis & Clark). He was knighted for this feat. I'm pretty sure that
>neither route entered what is now Alaska.


Quite an adventure they had on that trip in 1793. I read about the details
of this trip, in what book I don't even remember, when I was just a kid. I
think this story more than any other got me interested in canoeing and
trying to follow some of the routes taken by these early explorers.

northwoods


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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:15:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

george I talk "hillbillian" Northwestern Arkansas---just east of indian
country
GBG---HA HA
    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida     34684        Phone:    [phone]
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:51:38 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

I guess you talk itbut not write it , hunh ?
 My Wife if  from Colcord, OK. (LAPLAND)Where Arkansas
laps over into Oklahoma. Not far from Siloam Springs
AR. Her brother, Billy Mitchell has an Electric Motor
repair shop there.
 I lived in Tulsa, but grew up at my grandparents,
Aunt and Uncles, in the same region. Summers as long
as my parents would let me stay away from Tulsa.
grn
 Thanks for the reply !!!!

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> george I talk "hillbillian" Northwestern
> Arkansas---just east of indian
> country
> GBG---HA HA
>     "HAWK"
> Michael Pierce
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> 1-727-771-1815
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:55:18 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: SORRY LIST !!!

 I was going to hit HAWK with that last one off list,
hit send beforI changed address
 grn

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:49:22 -0600
From: "Verlin Kinsey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Heavy Barrell

Yesterday I had to go to the library and next door is the local historical
society museum.  There was about 20 minutes until they closed for the day
but since it had been a while I decided to go in and see what was on
display. One room was devoted to old quilts, one room to old tools and
medical equipment and the final room, a small one, had about a dozen rifles
on display.
The one that caught my eye was one they have listed as a buffalo rifle. It
is a half stock, hooked breech, .60 caliber with a 1 7/16" barrel
approximately 30".  It has a Hawken style breech and from what I could see,
very deep grooves. It was too high for me to see if it had a makers mark on
it. The curator said it weighed about 23-25 pounds.
Since they were about to close I talked to the curator and he said they
would have that display up for about another 6 weeks and if I came back and
they weren't too busy he would let me photograph it.

Was this size of barrel common or would it have been special made for large
charges used on buffalo?

Just wondering,
Sparky
>From the Flint Hills of Kansas




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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:23:58 -0800
From: "Wayne & Terri" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

   Hi there

I now them ther words of hillbilly caus i am from ther ya no.  born in
Baxter Springs ks  just north of miami ok, ya no.  been thur them wood
several times chasin girls and be chased by dadies ya no.

3 strings


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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:26:02 -0800
From: "Wayne & Terri" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

I am from that neck of the woods except I live in the northwest  now.  home
town Baxter Springs Ks just over the border from Miami ok

3 strings


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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:08:03 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

  YA Kan-sans and Arkies  still AFeread of comin ta
injan Terrotorie, US Okies made it and satied.


- --- Wayne & Terri <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I am from that neck of the woods except I live in
> the northwest  now.  home
> town Baxter Springs Ks just over the border from
> Miami ok
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:27:31 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Hallo!

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:08:03 -0800 (PST) George Noe <[e-mail]>
writes:
>   YA Kan-sans and Arkies  still AFeread of comin ta
> injan Terrotorie, US Okies made it and satied.

dont be slam dunking those boys I still have family in indian
territory---and probably a few richous friendlies running there also ---
them were shining times---
    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:15:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Pickert <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Moccasin Meet 2000 - RSVP

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Here is some infor someone on the list might like!

Note: forwarded message attached.


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Rick,
Happy New Year.
Our Moccasin Meet 2000 packets are currently being printed. The website
will be entirely updated shortly as well. Plans are in the making for
even more exciting workshops than last year.
This year's dates are July 16-22. The following is an exerpt from the
information packet. Get back to me ASAP for the additional savings, and
certainly with any questions. If you or someone you know isn't able to
come to the Meet but would like to help in this way anyway it would be
greatly appreciated. Thank you.
***

We (the hosts of Moccasin Meet) are partnered with a  Mohawk community
near here that is working to build a school to restore the language and
culture, and a company called Excel/Teleglobe. This partnership allows us
to raise funds from bonuses and commissions received from internet
commerce, internet service, paging and long-distance services used by the
customers we gather.

Should you choose to use these services in support of us, we in turn,
will grant you a $15 discount, per product used, toward your Moccasin
Meet registration.  Use of the 7cents/min. long-distance and internet
would then result in a $30 discount. For additional discount call by
January 30. Become a representative in our fundraising team and earn a
free Dell computer. (Qualify now for your savings and register later.)

This is a way that, not only, can you save on your phone bills, but also
know that year around funds are going to support something that you
believe in. However, this discount can only be available to persons who
enroll through us, or another representative in our fundraising program.
Participation as a customer will be verified.

Excel/Teleglobe is an international company, which is the fourth largest
long-distance provider in the U.S., and hosts the largest internet
backbone in the world. They were the first to offer 7 cents/min. long-
distance and now 3 cents/min. Recently the opening of the online store,
which features over 1 million items, is making a mark in history.
Excel/Teleglobe is a company of strong ethics and values and we are proud
to be associated with them.

If you have internet access please see our personal company website for
company, product, online store, and service details.  You may enroll via
the secure connection on this site, otherwise, please call us for further
information.    http://www.excelir.com/weg  or [phone] (in NY) or
 1-888-272-6889 (outside NY)

Sincerely,
Eva

P.S. If you are not sure that we have your snail mail address and you
would like a printed information booklet, please get back to me with
that. Thanks.


Moccasin Meet is a Northeast Primitive Skills Gathering held each July in
upstate NY. Next year's dates are July 16-22, 2000.  CHECK OUT OUR
WEBSITE -
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 04:48:47 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wet Steel

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Not to long ago I asked everyone how they carried there fire makins. I =
guess it was no surprise that their was a lot of different types of =
tinder and char being used (Some I did not even recognize). Likewise, it =
was no surprise that everyone wanted to keep these two items dry, but it =
did surprise me that everyone appeared to keep the flint and steel as =
dry as possible also. I had expected some would be carrying their steel =
tied on or loose in a bag and the same with the flint and keeping tinder =
and char in tin thus removing much chance of annoying rattles =
(especially after using the tinder and char to light a fire, thus =
reducing the amount of cushion).=20

This got my curiosity up so tonight I dropped flint and steel in a glass =
of water. Then started the fireplace fire with it. Of course my =
experiment is not very controlled or exhaustive but I found that they =
still made a fine spark. However, I had a devil of a time getting the =
spark to stick on the char cloth. On other occasions using the same =
combinations it has not been a problem.

Does anyone have a specific reason for keeping the flint and steel dry? =
Or an insight into why I got these results?



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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:57:31 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wet Steel

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I try to keep my stuff dry to avoid rust. I think the oxidation of the =
steel makes the spark not as hot. The spark from a clean steel will be =
hotter than a spark from a dirty or rusty steel.

Ron
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  Not to long ago I asked everyone how they carried there fire makins. I =
guess it was no surprise that their was a lot of different types of =
tinder and char being used (Some I did not even recognize). Likewise, it =
was no surprise that everyone wanted to keep these two items dry, but it =
did surprise me that everyone appeared to keep the flint and steel as =
dry as possible also. I had expected some would be carrying their steel =
tied on or loose in a bag and the same with the flint and keeping tinder =
and char in tin thus removing much chance of annoying rattles =
(especially after using the tinder and char to light a fire, thus =
reducing the amount of cushion).=20

  This got my curiosity up so tonight I dropped flint and steel in a =
glass of water. Then started the fireplace fire with it. Of course my =
experiment is not very controlled or exhaustive but I found that they =
still made a fine spark. However, I had a devil of a time getting the =
spark to stick on the char cloth. On other occasions using the same =
combinations it has not been a problem.

  Does anyone have a specific reason for keeping the flint and steel =
dry? Or an insight into why I got these results?



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tinder and=20
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surprise=20
  that everyone wanted to keep these two items dry, but it did surprise =
me that=20
  everyone appeared to keep the flint and steel as dry as possible also. =
I had=20
  expected some would be carrying their steel tied on or loose in a bag =
and the=20
  same with the flint and keeping tinder and char in tin thus removing =
much=20
  chance of annoying rattles (especially after using the tinder and char =
to=20
  light a fire, thus reducing the amount of cushion). </P>
  <P>This got my curiosity up so tonight I dropped flint and steel in a =
glass of=20
  water. Then started the fireplace fire with it. Of course my =
experiment is not=20
  very controlled or exhaustive but I found that they still made a fine =
spark.=20
  However, I had a devil of a time getting the spark to stick on the =
char cloth.=20
  On other occasions using the same combinations it has not been a =
problem.</P>
  <P>Does anyone have a specific reason for keeping the flint and steel =
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:37:09 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: poem author unknown

I'm tired of the rustle and hustle,
I'm sick of the racket and din,
I want to cut loose from the bustle,
Go out where the rivers begin,
I long to get up in the open,
'mongst the cedar and tall tamarack;
I want to make camp on a lake shore;
In an old tumble-down lumber shack.
I'm tired of the pomp and the grandeur,
I'm sick of the falseness and bluff;
I want to get up where the country
is virgin and wooded and rouph.
I long to awake in the morning,
And pull on an old flannel shirt,
And courduroy pants that are mended
And moccasins covered with dirt.
I care not a cuss where the place is,
Nor how far away it may be,
So long as it's up in the open
Where I can unleash and be free.
Where the odor of cedar and hemlock
Will greet me whene'er I awake,
And the moon casts its shadows at nightfall
Of the pine on the wind-rippled lake.
Just give me a pipe and tobacco,
Some coffee and bacon , and then
Turn me foot-loose away in the forest,
Far of from the pathways of men....."

Cabin fever? thisw ain't to far away:
http://users.ez-net.com/~northwoods/coppercountry.JPG

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:39:58 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: poem author unknown

R. W. Service, most likely


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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:04:53 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wet Steel

I was in two fire starting comps last year, at Grand Portage up had to
drop you flint and steel in a bucket before lighting your fire, at Pine
City (MN) you had to put your whole firekit in the bucket for about 5
minutes with your flint and steel in it.  Was entertaining, most people
wipped off their tools once retrieved, wet hands are almost a worse
problem especially when handling char cloth.

Jim

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