>. If they (the Blackfeet) were buddy-buddy with the HBC how could the HBC<BR>
>get away with destroying Blackfoot fur country?<BR>
><BR>
>B'st'rd<BR>
></FONT> <BR>
><FONT SIZE="2">Correct me if I am wrong but the Blackfeet country centered
in what would now be the Eastern Montana/Canada border. Of Course they
wandered a great bit but I do not think that they would concider the Snake
River country as their own. As I understand where Peter Ogden went
with the Snake River Brigade it was through Oregon/Idaho/Northern Utah.<BR>
></FONT> <BR>
><FONT SIZE="2">Even without this topographical difference I do not believe
the HBC would have been too worried about offending Indian allies if it got
in the way of reaching an important objective. They knew
the Blackfeet need English guns etc. The Blackfeet weren't going
anywhere.<BR>
></FONT> <BR>
><FONT SIZE="2">Yours <BR>
>WYnn<BR>
> <BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:39:45 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
Where Swan (Johnson's Flathead wife) shows him how to hunt grouse? by
throwing a stone from within 8 feet? - without using a leather sling!
Can such a hunting technique be backed up from any American Indian
historical records?
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:54:47 +0000
From: JW Stephens <lray@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
I don't know about no steenkin' grouse, but I once nailed a goose taking
wing from about 20 feet with a fist-sized rock. Dropped it dead, to my
chagrin. I was in college and didn't want it dead. I've also stalked
grouse to within about 10 feet, so I suspect such a technique is
possible, but no, I've never read of an incident like that.
B'st'rd
JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> Where Swan (Johnson's Flathead wife) shows him how to hunt grouse? by
> throwing a stone from within 8 feet? - without using a leather sling!
> Can such a hunting technique be backed up from any American Indian
> historical records?
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Date: 3 Jan 2000 07:00:57 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
On Sun, 02 January 2000, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> Where Swan (Johnson's Flathead wife) shows him how to hunt grouse? by
> throwing a stone from within 8 feet? - without using a leather sling!
> Can such a hunting technique be backed up from any American Indian
> historical records?
>
According to an article a few years ago in the American Hunter (NRA) magazine, Jefferson used the leather thong with a small piece of leather tied in the center (sling) to throw rocks into heavy cover when hunting birds or deer.
A few presidents later Teddy R. was doing the same thing. He told reporters he had read about this and how well it worked, seems the Europeans watching the natives is where they got it from. The article didn't say which "natives" - Africa, North America, or who know's.
Several of us have used this method for twenty years after seeing Robert Stack use it on American Sportsman while hunting game birds. It works for any game we have tried it on - elk, deer, bear, birds and even buffalo. Works very nicely to move game around for a better shot also.
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: 3 Jan 2000 07:34:13 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
On Mon, 03 January 2000, Buck wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 January 2000, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> >
> > Where Swan (Johnson's Flathead wife) shows him how to hunt grouse? by
> > throwing a stone from within 8 feet? - without using a leather sling!
> > Can such a hunting technique be backed up from any American Indian
> > historical records?
> >
> According to an article a few years ago in the American Hunter (NRA) magazine, Jefferson used the leather thong with a small piece of leather tied in the center (sling) to throw rocks into heavy cover when hunting birds or deer.
>
> A few presidents later Teddy R. was doing the same thing. He told reporters he had read about this and how well it worked, seems the Europeans watching the natives is where they got it from. The article didn't say which "natives" - Africa, North America, or who know's.
>
> Several of us have used this method for twenty years after seeing Robert Stack use it on American Sportsman while hunting game birds. It works for any game we have tried it on - elk, deer, bear, birds and even buffalo. Works very nicely to move game around for a better shot also.
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
> _________________________________
I hit "send" my mistake and didn't get to finish what I was writing, sorry.
I have never seen anything written on just throwing small stones or rocks as a method of killing, usually everything read shows the use of another item involved with the use of a rock or stone - like a sling, slingshot, a bow with a stone or blunt rock attached and so on.
Hollywood has made many movies with kids and adults throwing stones at game and people - from the cavemen to the street gangs !!!
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:03:07 -0800
From: "P. Amschler" <buckskinner@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Greenhorn needs help.
Well,
After almost a year in hidding I have a question about this question..'no pun here':)
THe answer was give as to use Canvas well if one wanted to be a bit more "PC" in the Mounian Man Circles what about Osnbreg fabric? I have been told by a few AMM members that this is a very close match.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:07:42 -0500 (EST)
From: MedicineWolfe@webtv.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
I remember reading as a youth a book about the historical Grizzly Adams
where one of his Native American friends or helpers struck several birds
off a tree branch with a stick
for the supper pot! Many ideas in this book proved to be correct such as
how to render Acorns edible,so this similar incident many be correct as
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:25:17 EST
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deschamps Sisters
Laura,
Yes, Mr. Ferris had a way with words. Far more eloqunet than all the
purposed "Trapper Talk" one hears from reenactors.
Say, did you ever get any info on the Deschamps sisters? If not, there is an
interesting story about a fued between the Deschamps and the Rems at Fort
Union in Charles Larpenteur's "Forty Years a Fur Trader..." I don't have the
page number (I'm at work) but if you need it, let me know and I'll get it to
you.
Jim Hardee
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 19:28:35 -0500
From: jerry derringer <mtnman50@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
> > > Where Swan (Johnson's Flathead wife) shows him how to hunt grouse? by
> > > throwing a stone from within 8 feet? - without using a leather sling!
> > > Can such a hunting technique be backed up from any American Indian
> > > historical records?
Howdy!
Been a lurker for a while but this one caught my attention.............no big deal!!
Back in my younger days (in the eastern states) I used to go squirrel huntin with a pocket full o rocks & make my limit. Had to throw with my left hand tho,....tore'm up pretty bad with my right hand................
JD
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:16:01 -0800
From: "Wayne & Terri" <wharper@sinclair.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Incident in movie Jeremiah Johnson
I don't know about historical documentation. But two years ago my foster son
took a grouse with a rock about the size of a baseball and at about 12 feet.
the grouse was along side a dirt road. He is a pretty big kid.(and at times
pretty damn lucky)
And in the same year I took one with a club about a foot long thrown in
tomahawk style.
The Grouse was sitting on a branch in a tree.
3strings
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