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hist_text-digest        Sunday, January 2 2000        Volume 01 : Number 441



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Flint and Steel
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee and strike a lights
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K
-áááááá MtMan-List: crazy & jill
-áááááá MtMan-List: over-trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: FWD: [Fwd: Cool Statistics]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Flint and Steel

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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 11:07:20 -0800
From: JW Stephens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping

Here's some further information on over-trapping, from Utley's "A Life
Wild and Perilous". The context is some reflection as the fur trade era
nears its end as 1840 approaches.
"As much as changing hat styles, the beaver trade strangled itself.
Beyond every man's financial incentive to trap every beaver he could,
competition between American companies and with the Hundon's Bay Company
took a dreadful toll on the beaver population. As early as 1831, the
veteran William Gordon declared that 'The furs are diminishing, and this
diminution is general & extensive. The beaver may be considered as
extirpated on this side of the Rocky Mountains.' Allowed to recoup for a
few years, he thought, the numbers would rebound. West of the
Continental Divide, extermination could also be expected. The Convention
of 1828, extending joint occupation of Oregon indefinitely, 'lends to
the ravaging of the country as both parties do all they can to make the
most out of the present time.'"

It is probably fortunate that changing styles and the Panic of 1837 took
the burnish off of the fur of beaver. In 1832 J.J. Astor's son wrote to
Chouteau in St. Louis that nutria fur made an excellent hat and could be
sold for less than half the price of a beaver hat. Those who tried to
follow Ashley's example in dragging a fortune out of the streams of the
Rocky Mountains lacked two things that Ashley had going for him:
innovation and timing. It looks like timing was what saved the beaver in
the Rocky Mountains, too. While trappers continued to pursue beaver fur,
and even do today, most know that they are reaping a quality of life
reward in place of a financial one.

The buffalo did not have the benefit of fashion and timing, and look
what happened to them.

B'st'rd

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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 14:14:21 -0800
From: "Lee S. Newbill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping

JW Stephens wrote:

> My question backatcha all is this:
> The Blackfoot nation zealously kept the American Fur Company's Upper
> Missouri Outfit and the Rocky Mountain Fur Company's brigades from
> effectively trapping Blackfeet hunting grounds because they felt that
> these parties were taking Blackfeet beaver. They would not trade with
> the Americans because they had a long-term trading relationship with the
> Canadian firms. If they were buddy-buddy with the HBC how could the HBC
> get away with destroying Blackfoot fur country?

Hallo

From what I've read about the NWC and the HBC, they trapped a lot of area, but not
generally in Blackfoot territory.  Their posts in the interior of the Oregon
Country were in Flathead, Nez Perce, Cayuse, Spokane, and Snake country....

I believe David Thompson, NWC, had to find another pass after ticking off the
Blackfeet.

Additionally, the Snake River Brigades launched by the HBC after the merger with
the NWC indicate that while they knew the Blackfeet, they didn't trust them overly
much.

Finnian McDonald's 1822 expedition lost about seven men to the Blackfeet.

Ross's expedition of 1823 had to scramble twice to avoid becoming trophies of a
first a Piegan war party, and secondly a Blackfoot war party.

Sooo, all was not roses for the HBC and the Blackfeet.

YMOS

Lee Newbill



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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:53:10 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint and Steel

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I made a belt pouch that holds my two Altoids tins (one for char cloth =
and one for flint and steel) and a 4" round can that I put my rope =
tinder in.  I found that the small peices of rope that you can't use for =
anything else (usually 18" or less) makes GREAT tinder. I pull it apart =
and then roll it in to a "birds nest".  Char cloth + rope nest + flint =
and steel =3D good fire :)  I also carry a small pouch of lighters knot =
that has been shaved.  Makes fire starting real easy...

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:20:19 -0800
From: "TIM ROWE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K

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Subject: Fwd: Y-2-K


> In a message dated 1/1/2000 2:15:13 PM Central Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<
>  The Twelve Days Of Y2K
>  On the first hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "I can't use my A-T-M card.
>  "On the second hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "No traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the third hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>  "On the fourth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,"
>  No traf-fic lights,
>  "And i can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the fifth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "YOU... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won't flush, "
>  Where are those darncan-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>  "On the sixth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won'tflus,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>  "On the sev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Why don't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>  "Where are those darn
>  can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the eighth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-ysay:
>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>  "Why don't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the ninth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>  "Why don't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>  "On the tenth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>  "Why don't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the e-lev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Is it al-most o-ver,
>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>  "Planes just keep oncir-cling,
>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>  "Why don't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>  "Where are those darncan-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>  On the twelfth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>  "Re-minds me of the old days,
>  "Is it al-mosto-ver,
>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>  "Why can't the phones work,
>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>  "No-o traf-fic lights...
>  "AND I CAN'T USE MY A-T-M CARD!"
>  _________ >>
>
>

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This is pretty funny!
JESS

The Twelve Days Of Y2K
On the first hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"I can't use my A-T-M card.
"On the second hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"No traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card."
On the third hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card.
"On the fourth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Our toi-lets won't flush,
"Where are those darn can-dles,"
No traf-fic lights,
"And i can't use my A-T-M card."
On the fifth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"YOU... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won't flush, "
Where are those darncan-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card.
"On the sixth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Your hand is in my pock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won'tflus,
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card.
"On the sev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Why don't the phones work,
"Your hand is in my pock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
"Our toi-lets won't flush,
"Where are those darn
can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card."
On the eighth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-ysay:
"There go the com-pu-ters,
"Why don't the phones work,
"Your hand is in mypock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won'tflush,
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card."
On the ninth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Planes just keep on cir-cling,
"There go thecom-pu-ters,
"Why don't the phones work,
"Your hand is in mypock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won'tflush,
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card.
"On the tenth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
"Planes just keep on cir-cling,
"There go the com-pu-ters,
"Why don't the phones work,
"Your hand is in mypock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won'tflush,
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card."
On the e-lev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Is it al-most o-ver,
"Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
"Planes just keep oncir-cling,
"There go the com-pu-ters,
"Why don't the phones work,
"Your hand is in my pock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
"Our toi-lets won't flush,
"Where are those darncan-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights,
"And I can't use my A-T-M card."
On the twelfth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
"Re-minds me of the old days,
"Is it al-mosto-ver,
"Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
"Planes just keep on cir-cling,
"There go thecom-pu-ters,
"Why can't the phones work,
"Your hand is in mypock-et,
"YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
"Our toi-lets won'tflush,
"Where are those darn can-dles,
"No-o traf-fic lights...
"AND I CAN'T USE MY A-T-M CARD!"
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:55:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee and strike a lights

    Here is an amusing coffee story handed down from a crow family, that you
may find interesting.
    The band of crow indians were traveling to visit one of the first forts
that had been built in their territory, one man mostly to get coffee that he
had tasted before when a white man traded with them.  He was able to trade
for coffee at the fort, and gave it to his wife to prepare for him.  Now, she
had never seen or drank coffee before, but she did just as her man told her
to do, roasting the beans in the hot coals till dark colored, and then
pounding them fine.  She served a pile of them to him, and said, " they
tasted dry so I mixed them with some fat ."  "Thats not the way," he said.
"You mix them with water, like soup."  "Why didn't you say so?"  she asked,
and then dumped the pounded beans into the stew she had cooked.  Her husband
was not in a good humor by then, and he kicked the whole pot of stew over
onto the ground!  I think this is one old indian recipe I'll forgo. I don't
know if you can classify this as one of them pemmican recipes, but if you
boys are so inclined, have at her!
    As for fire starting kits, ours are very ordinary, just canvas scrap char
cloth or any cotton, for that matter.  I do believe that trappers probably
did revert to using fungi or punk wood for their char after they had been out
here a while.  Our flint, steel, and char are carried in a strike a light
tin. I used to have a piece of leather over the char, till I had to use it to
patch my moccasin, & have never got around to replacing it.I carry mine in
the shooting bag, Jill carries hers in a deer foot bag on her belt.  We
usually carry birdnesting and some fat wood rolled up in our bedroll for when
we can't find dry birdnest around camp. We look for pitch pine, or fat wood
on our travels, and chop a few small pieces to carry with us.  Trees killed
by lightening are good sources,lightening makes the sap rise to the surface
of the wood.  Save your little candle stubs, too, they are just as good as
fat wood.
    We've only been on the list a short while, but thoroughly enjoy it, even
when the fur is a flyin'!  Its all been entertaining and educational!  Just
want to wish you all the best for the holiday seasons and the coming new
century, and hope to see you all down the trail or in the mountains!   Crazy
Cyot and Jill

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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 20:59:40 -0800
From: "Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K

I was on one of the Y2k implementation groups (informed user) for state of
NV
We had zero problems this am when we turned the mainframe from tits up to
full tilt!
Big non-event

but this is funny
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>Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K
>Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2000, 10:20 PM
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>> In a message dated 1/1/2000 2:15:13 PM Central Standard Time,
>> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>> <<
>>  The Twelve Days Of Y2K
>>  On the first hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the second hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the third hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the fourth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,"
>>  No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And i can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the fifth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "YOU... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush, "
>>  Where are those darncan-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the sixth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflus,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the sev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darn
>>  can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the eighth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-ysay:
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the ninth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the tenth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the e-lev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Is it al-most o-ver,
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep oncir-cling,
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darncan-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the twelfth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Re-minds me of the old days,
>>  "Is it al-mosto-ver,
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>>  "Why can't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights...
>>  "AND I CAN'T USE MY A-T-M CARD!"
>>  _________ >>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 20:59:40 -0800
From: "Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K

I was on one of the Y2k implementation groups (informed user) for state of
NV
We had zero problems this am when we turned the mainframe from tits up to
full tilt!
Big non-event

but this is funny
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>To: <[e-mail]>
>Cc: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Y-2-K
>Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2000, 10:20 PM
>

>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
><[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
><[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
><[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
><[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
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>Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 7:18 PM
>Subject: Fwd: Y-2-K
>
>
>> In a message dated 1/1/2000 2:15:13 PM Central Standard Time,
>> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>> <<
>>  The Twelve Days Of Y2K
>>  On the first hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the second hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the third hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the fourth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,"
>>  No traf-fic lights,
>>  "And i can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the fifth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "YOU... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush, "
>>  Where are those darncan-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the sixth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflus,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the sev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darn
>>  can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the eighth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-ysay:
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the ninth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card.
>>  "On the tenth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the e-lev-enth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Is it al-most o-ver,
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep oncir-cling,
>>  "There go the com-pu-ters,
>>  "Why don't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in my pock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS!...
>>  "Our toi-lets won't flush,
>>  "Where are those darncan-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights,
>>  "And I can't use my A-T-M card."
>>  On the twelfth hour of Y-2-K I heard some-bod-y say:
>>  "Re-minds me of the old days,
>>  "Is it al-mosto-ver,
>>  "Spoiled food tastes rot-ten,
>>  "Planes just keep on cir-cling,
>>  "There go thecom-pu-ters,
>>  "Why can't the phones work,
>>  "Your hand is in mypock-et,
>>  "YOU ... STU-PID JERRRRKS! ...
>>  "Our toi-lets won'tflush,
>>  "Where are those darn can-dles,
>>  "No-o traf-fic lights...
>>  "AND I CAN'T USE MY A-T-M CARD!"
>>  _________ >>
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:09:10 -0500
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: crazy & jill

I enjoyed your story in the T&LR about the hunting trip. Especially the
story from different points of view.  Hope to read more.


John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio


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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 04:58:23 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: over-trapping

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: JW Stephens asked:

. If they (the Blackfeet) were buddy-buddy with the HBC how could the =
HBC
get away with destroying Blackfoot fur country?

B'st'rd


Correct me if I am wrong but the Blackfeet country centered in what =
would now be the Eastern Montana/Canada border.  Of Course they wandered =
a great bit but I do not think that they would concider the Snake River =
country as their own.  As I understand where Peter Ogden went with the =
Snake River Brigade it was through Oregon/Idaho/Northern Utah.

Even without this topographical difference I do not believe the HBC =
would have been too worried about offending Indian allies if it got in =
the way of reaching an important objective.    They knew the Blackfeet =
need English guns etc.  The Blackfeet weren't going anywhere.

Yours=20
WYnn


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Date: 02 Jan 00 17:33:29 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: FWD: [Fwd: Cool Statistics]

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants


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Think you might enjoy these.  I found them rather interesting.


Work Statistics
Can you imagine working at the following Company?
It has a little over 500  employees with the following statistics:

*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
*7 have been arrested for fraud
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*117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
*3 have been arrested for assault
*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
*8 have been arrested for shoplifting
*21 are current defendants in lawsuits
*In 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

Can you guess which organization this is?  Give up?


It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that

perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:24:20 -0800
From: "Wayne & Terri" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint and Steel

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Myself, I have a can just for makein char.  IT is a quart paint can with =
3 holes in both ends.  I just put old levis cut up into 3 inch squares =
and then throw them into the fire place. =20

I put my char in the same tin as my flint and steel,  I put a little wax =
around the edges to keep it water tight.   I also shave a little cedar =
twigs,  especially when it is really wet out like here in the northwest.

3 strings  =20

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flint and=20
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tight.   I also shave a little cedar twigs,  especially =
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